The definition of discretion

[gallahadesquire]

About this topic:

 

1. where is this blacklist of clients / escorts? Enquiring minds want to know!

2. When visiting some friends on Martha's Vineyard (West Chop, or Tisbury), I was informed that there was one code of honor, should you see anyone the likes of Carley Simon, Billy Joel, etc.: Ignore them. If interaction is required, a simple "Hello, Ms. Simon" would do.

3. I hope my escort friends would understand that (a) I need to schedule a month in advance; (b) I appreciate it if they let me know when they are coming from out of town. My own peculiarities.

 

I have a couple of more things to say, but they must remain for another day and another thread.

[rvwnsd]

If a person, client or escort/masseur, can't take 1 minute to call and cancel an appointment and show some respect then they forfeit their right to discretion.

 

While I cannot speak for Daddy and I'm not sure I agree that one cannot cancel an appointment when one must work late (I have been required to work late many times and have phoned the people I cancelled on), there are situations where one cannot take a moment to cancel, like when one is in a car accident. Has chest pains and is rushed to a hospital. Has an asthma attack. Has a bad reaction to chemotherapy. Breaks or loses his cell phone. Is mugged. Regardless the reason, being pissed off does not give anyone the right to "out" someone else. What would you say about a doctor who posted a patient's name, telephone number, social security number, and results of his last three HIV and STD tests on a web site because his patient did not call ahead to cancel an appointment?

[josephga]

While I cannot speak for Daddy and I'm not sure I agree that one cannot cancel an appointment when one must work late (I have been required to work late many times and have phoned the people I cancelled on), there are situations where one cannot take a moment to cancel, like when one is in a car accident. Has chest pains and is rushed to a hospital. Has an asthma attack. Has a bad reaction to chemotherapy. Breaks or loses his cell phone. Is mugged. Regardless the reason, being pissed off does not give anyone the right to "out" someone else. What would you say about a doctor who posted a patient's name, telephone number, social security number, and results of his last three HIV and STD tests on a web site because his patient did not call ahead to cancel an appointment?

 

There's one big difference A Dr can charge you for the appointment if you don't show.

[+ Travis69]

While I cannot speak for Daddy and I'm not sure I agree that one cannot cancel an appointment when one must work late (I have been required to work late many times and have phoned the people I cancelled on), there are situations where one cannot take a moment to cancel, like when one is in a car accident. Has chest pains and is rushed to a hospital. Has an asthma attack. Has a bad reaction to chemotherapy. Breaks or loses his cell phone. Is mugged. Regardless the reason, being pissed off does not give anyone the right to "out" someone else. What would you say about a doctor who posted a patient's name, telephone number, social security number, and results of his last three HIV and STD tests on a web site because his patient did not call ahead to cancel an appointment?

 

When did I say it was not alright to cancel an appointment with an escort when one has to work late?????? In most of the examples you sighted I would hope the person would take the time and effort to call the escort when he could. I am not saying the escort should report you within 5 minutes. What I hear from escorts is the client hangs up on them when they try to call and see what's going on. No reason for such rudeness. Guess I just hate seeing guys who have given me so much pleasure treated in a rude fashion. Sorry if I am ruffling feathers here. Maybe I need/want a timeout......

[justaguy]

mikey, to answer your question from my point of view: Discretion is as you describe it. There are a couple of escorts who let me know when they're coming to town because I've asked them to do so. That's not hustling but convenience for me. The important point is that I as a client asked for the heads up. As to 'outing' a scam, I like the way you handled this case. You posted an alert to the scam but not the name or phone number. Interested parties can pm you for that information.

[Michael Wayne]

Thanks guys. That is why the forum is so GREAT. I will heed the general opinion of the JEDI COUNSEL and drop this subject immediately and apologize to whomever may be offended by my words and actions. I apologize. I also would point several of you back to the original post. Once again read please my words that I am one of the most discreet guys in America. In over 10 years I have NEVER outed a client (God forbid!!!) and I have never violated discretion on ANY level. The guy in question here WAS NEVER MY CLIENT nor anyones' client. He sets up phony appointments all over the usa with at least 12 different escorts and NEVER OPENS THE DOOR. The general concensus here is that DISCRETION is afforded totally to these types. ok. fine. I agree and that closes the issue forever. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Michael Wayne]

Is everyone in agreement???

 

Just to be crystal clear.......everyone believes that Mike Jones outing Rev. Ted Haggard was wrong-totally.??? I feel Mike was very wrong. It has been several years now but I remember at the time that there were many voices in the gay community who supported and defended Mike because they felt that rev. Ted was a hypocrite cause he was a gay bashing right wing fundamentalist preacher who saw boys on the side and did drugs with them ......in my career in this biz I have had preachers/priests and pastors from 20 different denominations as clients and I have protected them and their privacy.Even being a total hypocrite is not a reason to out someone in my opinion. i will take their identity to my grave with me. The fee they pay me BUYS DISCRETION!! I have been on the crazy radical side of discretion and the reason for my post is that the behavior of some younger escorts today is anything but discreet.

[seeker630]

Just to be crystal clear.......everyone believes that Mike Jones outing Rev. Ted Haggard was wrong-totally.??? I feel Mike was very wrong. It has been several years now but I remember at the time that there were many voices in the gay community who supported and defended Mike because they felt that rev. Ted was a hypocrite cause he was a gay bashing right wing fundamentalist preacher who saw boys on the side and did drugs with them ......in my career in this biz I have had preachers/priests and pastors from 20 different denominations as clients and I have protected them and their privacy.Even being a total hypocrite is not a reason to out someone in my opinion. i will take their identity to my grave with me. The fee they pay me BUYS DISCRETION!! I have been on the crazy radical side of discretion and the reason for my post is that the behavior of some younger escorts today is anything but discreet.

 

lol. Mikey - and I say this with affection - I think you're still in 'preacher-mode', trying to convert us poor misguided folks to the proper view.

[josephga]

I agree mike jones was wrong as well

[justaguy]

I have to agree with joseph on this. Outing is wrong, even in the case of Mike Jones. I understand the desire to out the hypocrites and admit to feelings of vindication when it happens, it's still IMO not the right way to go about acheiving a political end.

 

Joseph, your avatar: damn, that's fine! I have to ask--is that you? If it is, wow. If it isn't, you've got a great eye for a beautiful backside.

[Bart]

Mikey I dont see why you can't present a subject some of us may disagree on. It is perfectly reasonable. In fact that is one of the purposes of this site is education for the client and the gentleman. I actually think it is important to bring these points up because hopefully this educates clients on the subject of why gentlemen may have certain requirements such as no private calls, or no texting or etc. It is their own experiences that will guide them to protect their business.

 

I think if it were a poster who screwed you or another gentleman I would bring it up with daddy and seek his counsel. In general short of the client exhibiting violence towards you, you just have to chalk it up to experience. I had a gentleman recently call me to cancel because he did have an accident about 45 min before we were to meet. Hotel room was a lost cause. Things happen on both fronts. It is extemely rude that some one made you drive and then did not open the door or answer the phone. I have had that happen to me, I showed up a gentleman's place and he did not come to the door and I traveled and 1-1/2 to see him. I paid for airline tickets for a gentlemen who never showed up and never returned my call. In that case I knew his name, address and phone #. I waited at the train station for another and again a no-show. No recourse and no I would not give out the guys name.

 

I had a gentleman threaten exposure of my personal information. I had to cancel and eliminate all items related to hiring. New phone, new email new identity on here after a 6month hiatus. But again I did not give up the guys name, what I do with it. He was an asshole and anytime his name came up here I would private message the individual asking "discreetly." So in 9 years it goes with the territory and you just deal with it and move on.

[justaguy]

Mikey I dont see why you can't present a subject some of us may disagree on. It is perfectly reasonable. In fact that is one of the purposes of this site is education for the client and the gentleman. I actually think it is important to bring these points up because hopefully this educates clients on the subject of why gentlemen may have certain requirements such as no private calls, or no texting or etc. It is their own experiences that will guide them to protect their business.

 

Mikey, Bart is spot on. Let's face it, outside of talking to guys we hire this is one of the few places where clients and escorts can exchange points of view. IMO it helps both clients and escorts to understand the other's perspective.

 

Bart, sorry to hear about your experience. I don't know if I could be as silent as you are about naming the dishonest service provider. Your sense of discretion, though, speaks volumes about your character.

[Michael Wayne]

I decided to elevate again DISCRETION to the level it deserves. That is DADDYS opinion and ultimately Daddy is wise and his view is really the only view that matters. It also was and is the overwwhelming consensus of the board. Since I have always been a major discretion provider this is not a stretch for me. The OP was and is this: IS DISCRETION PROVIDED TO GUYS WHO ARE NOT ACTUAL CLIENTS??? Or does it begin upon the hiring or the reciept of the fee?? With me I answer like this: Discretion begins at the moment of the first text, email or call I recieve from a potential client. All subsequent conversation is covered by escort/client priveledge. If anyone asks me about the client I deny knowing him or her. If I encounter them in public I only speak if spoken too. I never contact them but allow them to contact me - except in the EXPLICIT case of a client who ASKS repeatedly to be called. Now, if the potential new client ends up not hiring you or standing you up or, worse, scamming you, as recently happened to me...then the escort has a personal chlice to make. Kind of like the abortion issue. When does life begin? At conception or at birth or at 3 months? When does DISCRETION begin???? If they are not really a client and have never been a paying client do they fall under the paramters of discretion? Daddy says yes. Most board members agree so case closed .....unless physical violence occurs or is threatened. I think we are almost all in agreement here. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1