When Do Escorts Become a Piece of Meat For You?

[Guest ChgoBoy]

I've often wondered if gay men, who now hire male escorts, were ever as judgmental with their hook-ups when they were once younger and getting laid on their own merits, as they might have become now; now that some are not any longer getting laid on their own and are now paying for what their youth once brought to them simply by mutual attraction.

 

The reason I ask is because the game seems to change when you're no longer in the game because of who you are by age, shape or physical looks.

 

How have YOU changed because of your older age as to how you relate to younger gay men and how you expect them to relate to you?

 

And regardless of how you might feel, how do you believe that younger men by 20 or 30 years your junior should really relate to you when everything is first and foremost, predicated upon your hire of them for your own sexual gratification?

[JT Brooklyn]

When your Paying for it and it has always been the Type of guy you were ALWAYS attracted to..The RATE is the only difference.

 

Some Clients will never Hire the same guy twice ...so THE MEAT Factor is there!

[SteveEscort]

I rarely see anyone who identifies themselves as gay. I visit one gay guy who works on the oil rigs out on the north sea who doesn't have time for a boyfriend but that's about it on the gay front.

 

Most men who I see, identify themselves as Bisexual or Open Minded. Another client I see regularly is a gentleman who although in his late 50's is a very good looking guy. He could easily pick up guys from his own merits. I think he's great and I fancy the pants off him which makes the appointment easier. He comes to see a male escort because he was sick of hook ups online, going to a guys house to find that the meet was all about them and as soon as they'd cum they weren't interested in him. He likes long appointments with chit chat, a laugh, sex, chit chat, a laugh, a shower together, glass of wine and sex again. He found that sex hook ups were just about the sex and never getting to know the person.

 

Most of the guys I see are in their 40's, 50's and 60's which is the age bracket I think you're referring to. I am nearly 40 myself, or I will be in a few years time. The guys that come to see me don't want a 20 year old skinny rent boy whose only conversation is about gay bars, Lady Gaga and Prada, they're looking for someone a little bit more experienced in life who may not have the washboard stomach of a renty 20's type but who will give them good sex and know a little bit about how the world ticks.

 

Most of my clients are 20 and 30 years older than me, as you mentioned, but because I am in my 30's myself I don't really see the age difference and yes I am there for their sexual gratification and I make sure they get exactly what they want because £100 is a lot of money to a lot of people and so I always feel that if someone is paying for my time then I have to give them the time of their life and give them what they want, whether it be fucked sore from a big burly blue collar worker or being wined and dined by a city banker

[jjkrkwood]

In the REAL world, I dont expect anything. Meeting guys to hookup with is purely luck: 2 guys that are attracted to each other come together somehow and things take their course. Our culture is youth oriented, so YES it does get harder to meet as you get older. the key is trying to keep yourself in the best shape possible, remain positive of mind and vital in spirit, and have nO expectations. That becomes too stressful. However when I hire, although I will respect the escort, he is merely a commodity for which I am paying, and I do expect to get what I pay for. Its only natural and that simple. I find as I get older the type of guys I attract in the real world change. While in my younger years I used to attract guys around my own age, now Older, I seem to attract younger guys who fantasize some "Daddy" experience. I am not one of those guys that can just have sex with ANYONE, even for Free. There has to be some attraction there for me to be aroused and consummate the connection. and if all else fails, I still have my 2-hands who have become faithful, lifelong friends

[gcursor]

It's all about the experience for me. When I was younger, I would take people out to dinner, give them flowers and stuff like that (to the people that are thinking the next question, no I wouldn't have sex on the first date or few dates even). Now that I'm older, I'm paying to do the same thing with younger guys is all (in some cases not too much younger than myself actually).

 

I really don't think that I do it for sexual gratification (although that's a bonus). I'm the sappy, romantic guy. I just like somebody who will hold my hand in the car when we're driving somewhere and somebody who will hug me. I recently had an extended outing with somebody who held my hand while we were driving (*heavy sigh*). I like people who say that I'm sexy even if I'm not and mean it. I'm all about living out the fairytale disney experience when I see somebody. I do it because I'm very shy and withdrawn most of the time and this gives me the chance not to be for a brief period of time.

 

p.s. So just to reiterate, when do escorts become a piece of meat to me? Never! I believe they are to be honored and respected which I hope will be given to me in return.

[jjkrkwood]

It's all about the experience for me. When I was younger, I would take people out to dinner, give them flowers and stuff like that (to the people that are thinking the next question, no I wouldn't have sex on the first date or few dates even). Now that I'm older, I'm paying to do the same thing with younger guys is all (in some cases not too much younger than myself actually).

 

I really don't think that I do it for sexual gratification (although that's a bonus). I'm the sappy, romantic guy. I just like somebody who will hold my hand in the car when we're driving somewhere and somebody who will hug me. I recently had an extended outing with somebody who held my hand while we were driving (*heavy sigh*). I like people who say that I'm sexy even if I'm not and mean it. I'm all about living out the fairytale disney experience when I see somebody. I do it because I'm very shy and withdrawn most of the time and this gives me the chance not to be for a brief period of time.

 

p.s. So just to reiterate, when do escorts become a piece of meat to me? Never! I believe they are to be honored and respected which I hope will be given to me in return.

 

But dont you realize that they are doing it ONLY because you are paying them too ? Wouldnt you like to have that experience in the REAL world with guys that are not being paid to give you affection ?. I am sure its possible for you GC, even if you dont think it is. but I do understand that some people just dont want to put forth the effort, and thats OK. If you are happy, and have the funds to indulge your fantasy, thats all that its about. As they say "almost anything in this world can be BOUGHT"...

[gcursor]

in response to

 

JJ:

I was never really good with approaching guys. Even when I was younger, I would sit in bars for HOURS and not look or talk to anybody. I would stare at the tv for the entire time I was there. Never moved from my seat at all. My way of picking up guys was to send them a drink. If they came over and said "Hi" then that would be cool. If they didn't then oh well.

 

There was an escort that I saw once that said something to me which I'll never forget. He said to me, "Why go to the grocery store when you can get the milk for free?" More or less, it's the same concept. If you can pay people for companionship then you don't worry about finding other people.

 

Yes, I do realize that I pay for this privilege but my personality is a bit unusual at times. It is nice to be able to be with somebody as I am and not have to worry too much about what I'm going to say or what I'm going to do or what they might think. The last time I found a boyfriend was when COMQUEST was still around! I would have never found him any other way. He was a very pure and gentle soul.

 

After him, I'm not sure that I want to find anybody else because of my own personal reasons. Escorting is something that I'm going through right now in my life in my search for happiness. I'm not sure how long it will go for or where it will end but I'm trying to enjoy myself as best I can.

gc

 

But dont you realize that they are doing it ONLY because you are paying them too ? Wouldnt you like to have that experience in the REAL world with guys that are not being paid to give you affection ?. I am sure its possible for you GC, even if you dont think it is. but I do understand that some people just dont want to put forth the effort, and thats OK. If you are happy, and have the funds to indulge your fantasy, thats all that its about. As they say "almost anything in this world can be BOUGHT"...

[jjkrkwood]

Good Luck to you GC. I do hope your endeavors bring you the happiness you are seeking. Everyone deserves happiness in whatever form they can find it.

[justaguy]

ChgoBoy, excellent question.

 

Oddly enough, now that I’m older and hiring I’m much less inclined to treat a sex partner (these days that would be an escort) as a piece of meat. In times long past, it was all about quantity not quality and about who was willing to buy me drinks for a chance to get in my pants. It was often about quick anonymous sex. It was also a lot about conquest. Now that I’m older I find that I’m uninterested in purely anonymous sex. Now that I’m hiring the element of conquest is non-existent. I prefer my current mode to my previous one (those I miss having a 20something body).

 

Basically the only time I treat an escort as a piece of meat is when he presents himself that way. It happens. The sex is mediocre at best, and the guy becomes a one-off.

[SteveEscort]

But dont you realize that they are doing it ONLY because you are paying them too ? Wouldnt you like to have that experience in the REAL world with guys that are not being paid to give you affection ?.

 

You're right to a certain degree, yes there are guys that make appointments that I would possibly never see in my personal life because I don't have a connection with them or they're simply not my type but I've met some lovely people and had great sex with guys I would never have hooked up with for recreational sex.

 

When the client is lovely and a pleasure to be with, then it's the perfect appointment but I will still be the perfect host with guys I don't particularly like the company of. It's my job to do that, so I focus on the best feature every client has and I concentrate on it.

 

You know though, it can be a real dirty turn on to be a slab of meat. I have a truck driver client who books me every so often when passing though my neck of the woods. He does treat me like a slab of meat, he rags me around the cab calling me a slut and being verbally vulgar, but I like it. A bit of dirty sex where you're just a filthy hooker didn't harm anyone.

[+ Charlie]

When I was young (17-40), I probably unconsciously divided most of the guys I slept with--and there were hundreds of them--into two categories: (1) piece of meat, or (2) potential relationship, either lover or friend (most of my closest male friends started as casual tricks). After about age 50, almost all of my sex was with escorts, and they always fell into the first category, unless something unusual happened in the course of the meeting to turn them into potential friends.

[JT Brooklyn]

After Deeper Reflection.. what "Earl Charles" said!

[jjkrkwood]

You're right to a certain degree, yes there are guys that make appointments that I would possibly never see in my personal life because I don't have a connection with them or they're simply not my type but I've met some lovely people and had great sex with guys I would never have hooked up with for recreational sex.

 

When the client is lovely and a pleasure to be with, then it's the perfect appointment but I will still be the perfect host with guys I don't particularly like the company of. It's my job to do that, so I focus on the best feature every client has and I concentrate on it.

 

You know though, it can be a real dirty turn on to be a slab of meat. I have a truck driver client who books me every so often when passing though my neck of the woods. He does treat me like a slab of meat, he rags me around the cab calling me a slut and being verbally vulgar, but I like it. A bit of dirty sex where you're just a filthy hooker didn't harm anyone.

 

STEVE - I enjoyed the honesty of your post. I tend to think that alot of guys here dont give Honest posts for the sake of being judged for what they are REALLY thinking. Escorts I believe are programmed to be able to perform against ALL odds. Thats an asset in their favor. Yes, they can certainly say NO to certain scenes, but generally they have to "perform" will all sorts of clients of every color, shape and size if they are to be successful and have a thriving clientelle. They usually have to perform with clients they may not be remotely attracted to. In this instance, they could be considered a piece of meat by their own choices... Diff clients have diff motives for hiring. Personally I dont hire to wine and dine. i hire to have sex for 1 hr. I am always polite and respectful to the guys I hire, and perhaps thats why they seek my return business. If I want dirty talk or whatever, its always discussed upfront. I would never expect an escort to do anything he was uncomfortable with, because in the end, that would make for an unsuccessful session and ill will..

[RexAll]

For the most part I think I'm very polite to escorts. I hope that is not self delusion. The one thing I do find myself doing more often lately is talk about my depressing life and how lousy things are going. I don't think I used to do this as much- or maybe I did and didn't notice. But I hope escorts are like bartenders in this respect and realize that these kind of discussions are inevitable.

 

What really bothers me and I have trouble dealing with is knowing that the escort may really dislike being with me. I realize it's a job, and they don't have to like all their clients- just be able to put up with them. And of course I am not talking about liking to be with me sexually. I figure that's a lost cause to begin with. My main goal is to not cause them discomfort and pain. The problem is they can say they like you- but an escort who doesn't say that may very well be ruining their business. I have a friend who is friends with a former escort. The escort was very popular here once- I think he had over 30 reviews before he retired- and I think they were all good. My friend asked him how bad the client had to be for the escort to refuse him as a client. The answer was 'really bad'. Well I know in that case I'm not 'really bad' as I haven't been refused. And maybe at the end of the day, considering the realities of the situation that's all I can expect. But it's why I have to view most compliments as at least a bit suspect even if at times I am pretty sure they are real.

 

Rex

[seeker630]

An escort only becomes 'a piece of meat' to me when I feel absolutely no connection with him or actively dislike him - and I'd never hire him once I felt that way.

[jjkrkwood]

An escort only becomes 'a piece of meat' to me when I feel absolutely no connection with him or actively dislike him - and I'd never hire him once I felt that way.

 

What kind of meat does he become: Rump roast, or T-Boner ????

[seeker630]

What kind of meat does he become: Rump roast, or T-Boner ????

 

Two weeks ago, it was NY Strip!

[Phil_musc]

What an interesting post and good answers. In my own case, I try to treat everyone with the respect and kindness that I would hope to receive myself. The fact that money may be involved is irrelevant - people are human beings and as such I believe they are all entitled to be treated with dignity and respect. What sometimes makes this a challenge, however, is when an escort fails to see me as a person but only as a job with financial rewards. He has sized me up and his internal clock is ticking off the seconds that he has to spend with me before he can be rid of my inconvenient and tiresome presence. I think I can usually tell this within a few minutes of meeting the guy - something in the way looks (or more likely, doesn't look) at me. Then he becomes an expensive piece of meat that I'll only sample once.

[jjkrkwood]

Two weeks ago, it was NY Strip!

 

From what I heard, it was an Italian Brasciolle

[seeker630]

What an interesting post and good answers. In my own case, I try to treat everyone with the respect and kindness that I would hope to receive myself. The fact that money may be involved is irrelevant - people are human beings and as such I believe they are all entitled to be treated with dignity and respect. What sometimes makes this a challenge, however, is when an escort fails to see me as a person but only as a job with financial rewards. He has sized me up and his internal clock is ticking off the seconds that he has to spend with me before he can be rid of my inconvenient and tiresome presence. I think I can usually tell this within a few minutes of meeting the guy - something in the way looks (or more likely, doesn't look) at me. Then he becomes an expensive piece of meat that I'll only sample once.

 

Well said!

[seeker630]

From what I heard, it was an Italian Brasciolle

 

You're going to have to explain that one to me - even Google doesn't find it! (I'm guessing its some sort of sausage?)

[leigh.bess.toad]

When Do Escorts Become a Piece of Meat For Me? Never. And if they ever do I know it'll be time for me to stop. Hiring. Living. I have never failed to treat them as I would want to be treated. Common decency and plain old common courtesy first will get you a long way. I've talked with a lot of my escort about this and I think we'd be surprised how rare something as simple as little respect can be.

 

JJK and I hire for very different reasons. I'm in it for the relationship. I do become friends with a lot of my escorts. Delusional? I don't think so. They have been teachers, mentors and guides for me as I navigate my journey from married man to out gay man. They have all been truly happy that I've found love with my boyfriend, even knowing that it will lead to me hiring far less if at all. I'm in regular communication with at least a half a dozen of guys I've hired. Texts from them just checking on how I am. Pictures from where they are on tours. Calls from them when they are overseas and I've sent them ab email about a problem I'm having. Texts from one who has even retired. When we had our massive earthquake in Virginia, the first message I got was from one of my guys, 3 minutes after it happened (I was outside mowing and didn't even know we had a quake). Offers to stay at their place if I come to their town -- even if they aren't there. Offers to show us around if I ever take my bf to their city. Updates on how things are going with their boyfriends and lives. I have let them into my life and in many/most cases, they've let me into their lives, at last part way.

 

None of this time is on the clock. I'm not a huge hirer so it isn't just marketing to maintain a big client. The only explanation is that we have connected -- as people. Am I a client? Sure. Would I have been able to hookup with these guys on grindr or manhunt or the like? Not likely. But after we have spent some time together it moves beyond that client/escort relationship. There is still some of that, certainly. But it really is so much more.

 

Piece of meat? Not with me. Ever.

[doitb4ugo]

As has become my want lately,I'll take a different view-point on this thread. One of my objectives in being so submissive during time with an escort allows them to over time treat me like a piece of meat...how hot would that be. The more I see of an escort, sometimes I begin to experience what activities the guy is really into as himself...I am just his boi....lucky me.

[Phil_musc]

An addendum to my earlier posting: Even when I was in my twenties I never really looked on anyone as just a piece of meat. A piece of meat implies absolutely no mental connection and that has never been it for me. Even in the midst of animalistic sex, I still want to be able to see the human being there sweating and humping with me and get into his mind if only for an instant.

 

Still, doit, what you described is kinda hot too. ;-)

[SteveEscort]

STEVE - I enjoyed the honesty of your post. I tend to think that alot of guys here dont give Honest posts for the sake of being judged for what they are REALLY thinking.

 

I prefer to be honest jjkrkwood, I'd rather guys actually understood the real personality than a projected persona but even I have views on certain subjects that I would never reveal publically. The real personality is going to come out anyway in the forum of reviews.

 

I've read a few reviews on here of escorts, some raving reviews and some not so delightful. I especially like the responses/rebuttals because that's when you see the true personality of an escort. An escort with a scathing review who then replies to the review saying "Well if you want my time you have to pay for it", "I was having an off day, we're all allowed them", well if you're an escort and you're having an off day then the hint is in the wording my dear, take the DAY OFF but don't turn up to an appointment with only half a commitment because you might think you're worth your time, even when you're not at your best, but the guy who has just wasted $220 of his money could have spent that more wisely and paid for a service he might have enjoyed. Thankfully I have never had any bad feedback on any review sites that I know of. But if you want to see what an escort is really thinking, the personality is in the rebuttal of a review, not in how they project themselves on a forum. I hate condescending replies when the client was good enough to hand the money over without any hesitation and we all know that clients are unlikely to mention it there and then, they don't know jack shit about the background of the escort, who they're involved with, where they've come from and so some clients just chalk it down to experience, however if we work in a semi public arena, marketing ourselves online then we should expect to be rewarded or criticised for our service by the person who has parted with their hard earned cash. We do have a right of reply but it looks awful to reply back to a client, wording your reply to make yourself look precious and him the one at fault. Sometimes it can be the client at fault but unless the review is malicious and written with the full intention of destroying an escorts credibility then either take it on the chin and make the best of a bad situation and reply back in a graceful manner, or better still, try and make amends with the client and give them a second chance to see you at your best.

 

I have seen many many guys over the years who have been to see other local escorts in my area and they've walked away disappointed, subsequently visited me and told me about the experience. One thing that particularly annoys me is when guys list their services on a website or profile and then decide they're not offering that service when the client arrives. I think that's awful and is misrepresentation, yet it happens all the time. The only thing I really don't do is watersports, not that I don't like it, I don't really like or dislike it but I can't pee on demand and so if I am with a client and he suggests it and if I feel like I could perform that service then we can give it a go but because it's not something I guarantee, I won't advertise it. I think that's where a lot of disappointment stems from, a perceived notion that the escort will perform everything they list in the ingredients on the side of their can but which sometimes doesn't live up to expectations when the client gets a taste of the product.