Barbra says: Get out and vote Democratic!

[Rick Munroe]

"If the Republicans end up with control of the presidency, the Senate, the House of Representatives and the federal courts, there will not be any check on the power of the right wing. The result would be devastating for reproductive choice, the environment, civil liberties, Social Security and health care, as well as corporate accountability.

 

Furthermore, as I've said before, there are three reasons to vote for Democrats: the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court. In fact, it is likely that two Supreme Court appointments will be made in the next two years. Without a Democratic Congress to seriously investigate and carefully consider the president's appointments, we may end up with the most right wing court in our nation's history, a court that may very well dismantle the rights and protections that we depend on... and will impact the country for decades to come. And remember, this was a president who was selected by the Supreme Court rather than the people.

 

The current administration and the Republican-controlled House of Representatives has shown us that there is indeed a very real difference between the Republican and Democratic parties: Republicans are about protecting the corporations while Democrats are about protecting people. We must elect Democratic representatives and senators who will provide checks and balances on the executive branch of our government. Our democracy deserves that."

 

For her full statement, and her good-but-corny speech (half sung to the tune of The Way We Were...oy) at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Gala, September 29, 2002:

http://www.barbrastreisand.com/news_statements.html

[Guest jaws]

You are wrong. The Republicans want to control the body. The Democrats want to control the mind. Neither should be doing either. Both practice the philosophy of irrationalism. One worships "God" and the other the "Volk" or the 'People'. Perhaps you should base your opinions less on "Babs" and more on Ayn Rand. Republicans and Democrats both deserve to go to hell just different rungs of it.

 

 

 

 

 

>"If the Republicans end up with control of the

>presidency, the Senate, the House of Representatives and the

>federal courts, there will not be any check on the power of

>the right wing. The result would be devastating for

>reproductive choice, the environment, civil liberties,

>Social Security and health care, as well as corporate

>accountability.

>

>Furthermore, as I've said before, there are three reasons to

>vote for Democrats: the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court,

>the Supreme Court. In fact, it is likely that two Supreme

>Court appointments will be made in the next two years.

>Without a Democratic Congress to seriously investigate and

>carefully consider the president's appointments, we may end

>up with the most right wing court in our nation's history, a

>court that may very well dismantle the rights and

>protections that we depend on... and will impact the country

>for decades to come. And remember, this was a president who

>was selected by the Supreme Court rather than the people.

>

>The current administration and the Republican-controlled

>House of Representatives has shown us that there is indeed a

>very real difference between the Republican and Democratic

>parties: Republicans are about protecting the

>corporations while Democrats are about protecting

>people. We must elect Democratic representatives and

>senators who will provide checks and balances on the

>executive branch of our government. Our democracy deserves

>that."

>

>For her full statement, and her good-but-corny speech (half

>sung to the tune of The Way We Were...oy) at the Democratic

>Congressional Campaign Committee Gala, September 29, 2002:

>http://www.barbrastreisand.com/news_statements.html

[+ bigjoey]

i agree. BOTH parties have their good and bad people. as for bab's wonderful democrats, the andrew sullivan site lists three races where the democrats are using anti-gay retoric! there are enough moderate republicans where the world will not come to an end if the republicans control the senate (it takes 60 votes for anything to pass not a majority). just as during clinton's first two years when the democrats controlled the white house, house of reps. and the senate, the world did not end for the right.

 

i do remember babs saying she would leave the country if bush was elected. things must not have gotten too bad as she stayed.

 

as i have previously posted, during clinton's first two years when the dems were in complete control, we gays did not get a hate crime bill, sexual orientation job protection, gay marriage, open gays in the military, etc. while we got alot of lip service, the dems actually produced little. that's the way washington works. it'll be the same with the republicans. babs needs to calm down.

 

i feel it is best to vote for the candidate and not the party. as for babs. i love her singing but she needs to calm down.

[+ Lucky]

"You are wrong"

 

No, he's not!:-)

[Justice]

Let's just say that I very much resent any celebrity who uses their celebrity to advance their political beliefs. x( Both major parties have their good points and their bad points and both parties pander to the extremists among their supporters. x( :-( I'm going to continue my usual practice of voting for the candidate and not the party. I'm seriously considering voting for a third party candidate. He or she will not win, but IMHO the major parties might start to think long and hard about supporting extreme positions if more and more people started voting for someone other than them. I voted Libertarian in the last presidential election. I've never regreted that decision.

[+ Lucky]

RE:: Get out and vote Democratic!

 

What is there about being a celebrity that causes you to lose your right to free speech? Is this another Ashcroft dictum?

And, frankly, I can't think of any good points about the Republican Party. They stole the presidency with the help of some corrupt Supreme Court justices, they want to declaw the SEC, they give there tax cuts only to the rich, and they have a long history of actively opposing gay rights.

So there!

[Guest Chazzz69]

What about the 1000 shares of Halliburton that Babs owned during the time that Dick Cheney was head the company? Perhaps she considered it social investing?

[bluenix]

The Root Cause

 

>They stole the presidency with the help of

>some corrupt Supreme Court justices...

 

 

http://www.ezshots.com/members/blueman/images/blueman-67.jpg

[Guest in yer face]

I'm

>going to continue my usual practice of voting for the

>candidate and not the party. I'm seriously considering

>voting for a third party candidate. He or she will not win,

>but IMHO the major parties might start to think long and

>hard about supporting extreme positions if more and more

>people started voting for someone other than them. I voted

>Libertarian in the last presidential election. I've never

>regreted that decision.

 

So youre one the fools that voted for Nader. Thanks alot for your contribution to America. In an effort to help environmental politics, Nader also helped get Bush voted in by splitting the vote. Now we'll be pumping oil out of every national park in Alaska by the time Bush is gone, all alternative fuel research is being eleminated, and we have a president in power that still claims that the Greenhouse effect doesnt exist, even though the polar icecaps are down by 1/4, and the peaks of Mount Everest are 1/8 smaller in the last 10 years.

 

You know what, politics are not really a discussion for a board about escorts and sex. Stupidity is just too inherent in the conversation.

[Justice]

>>So youre one the fools that voted for Nader. Thanks alot for

>your contribution to America. In an effort to help

>environmental politics,

 

Obviously, you didn't read my post. If you had, you would have read:

"I voted Libertarian in the last presidential election. I've never regreted that decision." (emphasis supplied)

 

The last time that I looked, Nader was the GREEN party candidate. So no, I didn't vote for him. Nader is just another famous (or infamous) person who uses his celebrity to further his political beliefs. As I mentioned, I have a big problem with ANYONE who does that. Finally, I don't like his political beliefs. I wouldn't have voted for him even he wasn't as important as he so obviously thinks he is.

 

Finally, the last time that I looked Gore carried New Jersey (which means that he got all 15 of our electoral votes) so my vote did not cause Bush to become our president.

 

Just in case you don't believe me, a quick google search for "2000 election results for New Jersey" led me to evote.com. Here's their summary for New Jersey.

 

New Jersey

 

President Candidate Party Votes

New Jersey: Presidential Results

 

15 of 270 Electoral Votes Needed to Win

 

George W. Bush Republican 41%

Al Gore Democrat 56%

Harry Browne Libertarian %

Pat Buchanan Reform Party %

John Hagelin NLP/Reform %

Ralph Nader Green 3%

 

Percentage Reporting: 99%

 

Source: http://www.evote.com/elections2000/results/NewStates/NJ.asp

[Justice]

RE:: Get out and vote Democratic!

 

>What is there about being a celebrity that causes you to

>lose your right to free speech? Is this another Ashcroft

>dictum?

 

She's entitled to her beliefs. I just don't like the politics of fear that she and so many other famous (or infamous) people use to advance their political agendas. I.E., she (and several other obviously important people) were widely quoted as saying that they would leave the country if Bush won the election. Like it or not, the courts declared that he won the election. She's obviously a liar. She's still living here!

[Rick Munroe]

>You are wrong.

 

How can I be wrong or right? Those aren't my words.

 

>Perhaps you should base your opinions less

>on "Babs" and more on Ayn Rand.

 

I never stated my opinion. My opinion appears nowhere in that post. I don't base my opinions on celebrities.

[Guest Bitchboy]

I'm so sick of that tired old argument that nothing got done for gays under Clinton's watch. Get real, dudes! Listen, the guy was no saint, but he is the only president to ever speak publicly before the Human Rights Campaign. He made it known to the asses (sorry, Rick!) of the world that we existed. If he did nothing more than that for gay people (and he did much more) he accomplished something that others chose to ignore. Reagan couldn't even acknowledge our existence, let alone the existence of this killer disease that flourished during his watch. Vote for whomever you want, this is still America. But I will be casting my votes proudly for mostly Democratic candidates. I know where my bread is buttered. :7

[Guest Bitchboy]

P.S. For the record, I can't stand Barbra Streisand. I'm voting Democrat despite her, certainly not because of her.

[Justice]

Since we can't edit our posts anymore, I'll have to create a second post to respond to something else that you said:

 

>You know what, politics are not really a discussion for a

>board about escorts and sex. Stupidity is just too inherent

>in the conversation.

 

You're 100% right on that one. Especially when one of the participants to a political discussion: (a) doesn't take the time to read a post before responding to it; and (b)doesn't know what party sponsored what candidate.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Now we'll be pumping oil out of every

>national park in Alaska by the time Bush is gone, all

>alternative fuel research is being eleminated, and we have a

>president in power that still claims that the Greenhouse

>effect doesnt exist, even though the polar icecaps are down

>by 1/4, and the peaks of Mount Everest are 1/8 smaller in

>the last 10 years.

 

Out of curiousity, what kind of car do you drive?

 

Curiously yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Listen, the guy was no saint, but he is the only president to ever

>speak publicly before the Human Rights Campaign.

 

SO WHAT?[/font size=36]

 

Big fucking deal - he came to a liberal Democratic function and gave everyone a verbal handjob. La di da!

 

By the way, when he spoke at the Human Rights Campaign, was that before or after he signed the Marriage Protection Act?

 

Whenever I talk to gays who supported him, I always ask them to name ONE THING he did LEGISLATIVELY for gays and not one has yet to name a SINGLE THING he did. Their feeble response is always about how he acknowledged our existence. Well, Bill, gee thanks.

 

Blithely yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

RE:: Get out and vote Democratic!

 

>Like it or not, the courts

>declared that he won the election.

 

The myth continues. The court did NOT declare him the winner. The Supreme Court by a vote of 7-2 (the 5-4 vote was regarding the REMEDY) stopped the recount in Florida - which we later learned would have STILL had Bush the winner (didn't you love how the papers buried THAT little story).

 

Let's please stick to the facts ladies. It makes for a much better, and more INFORMED, discussion.

 

Instructively yours,

 

FFF

[Guest Bitchboy]

>>Listen, the guy was no saint, but he is the only president to ever

>>speak publicly before the Human Rights Campaign.

>

>SO WHAT?[/font size=36]

>

>Big fucking deal - he came to a liberal Democratic function

>and gave everyone a verbal handjob. La di da!

>

>By the way, when he spoke at the Human Rights Campaign, was

>that before or after he signed the Marriage Protection Act?

>

>Whenever I talk to gays who supported him, I always ask them

>to name ONE THING he did LEGISLATIVELY for gays and not one

>has yet to name a SINGLE THING he did. Their feeble response

>is always about how he acknowledged our existence. Well,

>Bill, gee thanks.

>

>Blithely yours,

 

Blithely is the perfect adverb for you, dude. When you ask gay men what Clinton did legislatively for them, is that before or after you blow them? Typical response from a hedonist whose wallet is his best attribute.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>When you ask

>gay men what Clinton did legislatively for them, is that

>before or after you blow them? Typical response from a

>hedonist whose wallet is his best attribute.

 

Now that you've gotten the name calling out of the way, please feel free to name that Clinton gay legislative accomplishment that benefitted all of us.

 

Patiently yours,

 

FFF

[phage]

>Whenever I talk to gays who supported him, I always ask them

>to name ONE THING he did LEGISLATIVELY for gays and not one

>has yet to name a SINGLE THING he did. Their feeble response

>is always about how he acknowledged our existence. Well,

>Bill, gee thanks.

 

Come on F3, it’s not “feeble” simply because you say it is. I think it’s actually a rather huge step in the right direction. Can you name a politician, let alone a President, from the GOP who has done more? Who has even made an effort to include us? I would really love to hear about any Republican courageous enough to stand up to the religious right whack jobs who control the GOP.

 

I’ll admit that Clinton wasn’t particularly successful with legislation, but we all know he doesn’t get to make legislation on his own and depends on a cooperative congress. I’ll even admit, that he caved on the Marriage Protection Act, but I believe that is because he honestly feels that marriage, as we know it, is not the way to go. (A position that I happen to agree with.)

 

You can’t just blow off his executive order to end the ban on gays in the military. Yes, he was naïve and couldn’t stand up to the combined resistance of the military and congress, but at least he TRIED. That’s more than I can say for any of the Republicans.

 

Please, enlighten us. I long ago made up my mind that it was stupid for a gay person to be a member of the Republican Party, but I’m always open to hearing the other point of view. Instead of just attacking the Dem’s, why don’t you try to explain why you would be a member of a party that allows itself to be dominated by religious biggots.

[Guest Fin Fang Foom]

>Please, enlighten us. I long ago made up my mind that it

>was stupid for a gay person to be a member of the Republican

>Party, but I’m always open to hearing the other point of

>view.

 

1. I'm strong on national defense - Democrats want permission from the UN and the French

2. I'm for tax cuts - Democrats are not

3. I'm for a smaller Federal government - Democrats see Washington as a font of knowledge and wisdom

4. I want everyone to have a level playing field - Democrats are for racial politics and Affirmative Action

5. I'm pro-life - Democrats have no problem with the practice of sucking the brains out of unborn babies.

6. I loathe Jesse Jackson - Democrats stick their tongues up his ass

7. I'm for legal immigration - Democrats want to put a welcome mat out on our borders

8. I recognize that Clinton is a liar and a rapist - Democrats applaud him.

9. I believe in equal rights - Democrats believe in special rights

10. I believe in personal responsibility - Democrats exploit the religion of victimhood

11. I recognize the "wealthy" are the ones who create jobs - Democrats demonize them

12. I believe in honest debate - Democrats believe in practice of personal destruction - as perfected by the Clintons

13. I believe Hillary is a crook and a liar - Democrats would love for her to be President

14. Republicans have Bill Bennett - Democrats have James Carville

15. Republicans mourn their dead - Democrats have political rallies

16. I love Jeanne Kirkpatrick - Jimmy Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize

17. Reagan dramatically contributed to the demise of the Soviet Union - Democrats fought him every step of the way

18. I'm for school choice - Democrats are in bed with the teachers' union

 

I'll continue with this later, but now I have a bottom coming over than needs a planking.

 

Helpfully yours,

 

FFF

[Justice]

>6. I loathe Jesse Jackson - Democrats stick their tongues up

>his ass

 

Me too. He's a perfect example of someone who uses of fifteen minutes (unfortunately, in his case longer than fifteen minutes x( :-() to further his political agenda.

[Justice]

>

>Me too. He's a perfect example of someone who uses of

>fifteen minutes (unfortunately, in his case longer than

>fifteen minutes x( :-() to further his political agenda.

 

Whoops! I hate not being able to edit my posts. I should have hit preview before posting my repy to F cubed. What I meant to say was:

 

Me too. He's a perfect example of someone who uses his fifteen minutes (unfortunately, in his case longer than fifteen minutes x( ) to further his political agenda.

 

Sorry about that.

[Justice]

RE:: Get out and vote Democratic!

 

>The myth continues. The court did NOT declare him the

>winner. The Supreme Court by a vote of 7-2 (the 5-4 vote was

>regarding the REMEDY) stopped the recount in Florida - which

>we later learned would have STILL had Bush the winner

>(didn't you love how the papers buried THAT little story).

 

Whoops! You're right. Here's another example of my failing to hit preview before clicking on post message. Sorry about that!