Hustlers

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Last month 2 potential clients demanded in calls but would not come to my place as I had a roommate at the time. I went the extra mile and rented a hotel room for the evening only to find one called back when he was supposed to get the hotel room number and cancelled because he realized I was only 5'8, the other cancelled because he felt my rate of 150 was way too high and only would pay 75, even after I payed 80 out of my own pocket for the hotel. Who is really the hustler?

[bluenix]

>It happens all the time (happened

>to us twice in SF on our last trip!)...they set up an

>appointment either by phone or email, even give you a

>contact phone number, etc., so that you think it's real, and

>then leave you hanging, having turned down other work. I

>think some guys just get off on the whole process of setting

>it up...then they jerk off and save 200+ bucks. ...

 

 

Sure there are idiots and assholes, but somewhere in between don't you think there are lots more just plain ordinary guys, completely sincere, who work up the proverbial nerve and then falter for failure of it?

 

There's a stigma to hiring for sex that's all too easy to forget here.

 

(No, that wasn't me in SF: I'm in the Midwest, I'm not 'just plain ordinary' and you're not my type.) :*

 

blue

[Guest TomSans]

http://www.tomsans.net

 

Hey have you tried taking a deposit for the appointment?

If you do and it's a cop, does that mean they can pick you

up as soon as they get there?

[Rick Munroe]

No-show escorts are discussed here (they even get their own page of "no-show reviews") but rarely do we discuss no-show clients. It happens all the time (happened to us twice in SF on our last trip!)...they set up an appointment either by phone or email, even give you a contact phone number, etc., so that you think it's real, and then leave you hanging, having turned down other work. I think some guys just get off on the whole process of setting it up...then they jerk off and save 200+ bucks. I know it's just "part of the biz" & i'm usually not one to gripe but it really sucks to rearrange your plans, shower/douche or whatever else you have to do, and then spend an hour or more waiting, having lost money, too.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Have you ever paid a deposit????

 

Bad enough getting them to show let alone pay a deposit

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

I only bring it up because it is getting really old, and frequent

[BewareofNick]

Michael,

 

I am not sure how it works, but have you considered accepting payments through Paypal? An escort with your reputation would be considered trustworthy IMHO and having them put a deposit down ensures that you are not ripped off. Just make sure the client knows it is non refundable.

 

Neal

 

-Truth Justice and the American Way-

[Rick Munroe]

>you're not my type.

 

As Lucy Ricardo would say, indignantly, "Well!"

[VaHawk]

I feel that a noshow, whether by the escort or the client is TOTALLY INEXCUSABLE!! (except, of course, under extenuating circumstances). If something comes up and the appointment can't be kept, it takes only a mininum of effort to exercise basic common courtesy to inform the other person. After all both the client and the escort are human beings -- material possessions whether monetary or otherwise can always be replaced -- your alloted time on planet earth can not. There is always a little unease and apprehension about meeting someone for the first time, on the part of both the client and the escort, but if the client in this case had taken the courtesy to call and explain, a good escort probably could have eased his apprehensions and everything would have been fine. After reading the original post, I took the time to read this guy's reviews and it appears to me that he is a well respected professional who could have easily accomplished this. As a client, I know I would have been highly PISSED OFF! if an escort had pulled this on me after I spent extra time and money to accomodate him. I am enough of a realist to know that there will be so called "bad apples" on both sides but enough of an optimist to hope that they will be few and far between. As a client, I am fairly new to this process, but feel that both sides should communicate in an open, honest and forthright manner so that there is no misunderstanding on either side as to what is being sought, what is agreeable and under what conditions they are agreeable. This is what I have done so far and I have had only good experiences. I apologize for this long rant, but I truly do not like injustice and in this case I strongly feel that the client was totally out of line, especially given the extremely poor, "let's grab a straw out of thin air" quality of the offered cancellation reasons. After all the man's physical stature and fees are clearly stated in his profile and reviews.

[Guest newawlens]

RE: Deposits

 

How many times have I seen clients called stupid and worse on this board for giving an escort money in advance? Plenty. The Jason Tyler brouhaha is just the most recent of many examples.

 

If an escort and client agree upfront to a deposit that will serve as a cancellation fee for the escort if the client doesn't show, that's up to them. My question is, how does the client get compensated if the escort is a no-show?

[BgMstr4u]

RE: Deposits

 

I think the real issue here is control: What can you really control and what kind of business do you want to run?

 

I think anyone in any service-oriented business should think out carefully what the paramenters of your service are, offer them on terms acceptable to you, see how you do, and adjust according to the response and the kind of clientele you attract. In your case, make an a priori decision about where you are willing to conduct your escort business. If you can't get your own place, or guarantee privacy, you might initiate a firm policy of only seeing clients in their own space, whether it is their home or apartment or at a hotel room they provide. I would not expect an escort to provide the hotel room.

 

To be very honest, I personally, and I can imagine, a lot of other people, have less than zero interest in having someone else present when I arrive to see an escort or have someone come in in the middle of things. Even the remote possibility of that happening is a big turnoff and I will not knowingly engage an escort whose situation might include interruption.

 

Be firm on this, and don't let yourself be put in the position of losing out this way. If you have a firm policy, you may lose a few clients, but you will lose a lot less money, and more importantly, you will be in control of your own business life.

[Flower]

>...they set up an

>appointment either by phone or email, even give you a

>contact phone number, etc., so that you think it's real, and

>then leave you hanging, having turned down other work.

 

Rick, do you ever confirm by calling them back? I'm just curious if that would help solidify the appointment.

 

I give my cell phone # out in setting up a date with an escort for 2 reasons--first I want him to call me if there will be a problem since when I travel I usually don't do email or if I do, it would be too late; and Second, I think it is reassuring to the escort to have a contact phone #.

 

Once in a great while I have to break the date, but will that happens it's for a good reason and I call as soon as possible and hope he will too. But I would welcome a call from an escort confirming the appointment. :+

 

I am Flower :*

[Flower]

>****I went the extra mile and rented a hotel room for the evening

 

To be very honest with you, I think you tried too hard to please the client. As a client, I certainly feel you are in a service oriented business, but I would never expect you to do that for me--especially if we had never met, and if I were you, I would never go out of pocket for a client I had never met before, and be very careful about doing it for a client I had met.

 

I don't think you will lose business or clients in the long run by setting logistical boundaries right along with whatever sexual ones you set--Just MHO.

 

I am Flower :*

[Guest woodli]

RE: Deposits

 

One solution might be this: I wanted to see one of NYC's nicer escorts, who only does out-calls. When I asked if an in-call was ever possible, because I live in the metropolitan area but can't use my house, he suggested a "short-stay" hotel we could use AND offered to deduct the cost of the room from his fee--as he said, "just because I'm a nice guy." But it made sense: he could make some bucks, but wasn't out the cost of a room if I didn't show. And since rooms there are rented at the time when both parties are present, I wouldn't be out any money either if he didn't show.

 

(To tie up the story: I had to cancel (in advance) because of a death in the family. Later, on one of the rare occasions when my house was available, I was so grateful for his original offer that I invited him to come there by train, paid his expenses plus an extra fee on top of his regular rate for his travel time, and finally had a chance to meet him. He is a wonderful guy, we had a great time, and he made some extra money.)

 

I would name him--he is worth all the publicity he can get--but I do not want to put him in the position of being expected to offer the same deal he originally offered me. I have no idea if that is his regular custom or not.

 

Hugs to all,

woodli

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

RE: Deposits

 

Yes we understand, your time is valuable and we dare not intrude on it

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Well after all has been said and dont this last summer, I am with you 100%, fuck em. I now know why some escorts are bitter and angry at times. LOL

 

But I digress. No I have not for some strange reason unknown to me have not become bitter, just careful. Like a good friend told me during my nightmare, you live on the dark side of life, your going to get burnt

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

sorry, fingers are really going to quick tonight.

 

*said and done this last summer*

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

No Shows

 

>No-show escorts are discussed here (they even get their own

>page of "no-show reviews") but rarely do we discuss

>no-show clients. It happens all the time (happened

>to us twice in SF on our last trip!)...they set up an

>appointment either by phone or email, even give you a

>contact phone number, etc., so that you think it's real, and

>then leave you hanging, having turned down other work.

 

I agree with Mr. Johnson and Mr. Munroe. This is becoming frequent. I cannot speak for others, but I do use that contact telephone to confirm as well as emails.

 

I know it's

>just "part of the biz" & i'm usually not one to gripe but it

>really sucks to rearrange your plans, shower/douche or

>whatever else you have to do, and then spend an hour or more

>waiting, having lost money, too.

 

In my own instance, it is more an issue of lost money, but given that you should not be douching every day, much less several times a day, for the escorts who bottom, this is a genuinely serious matter.

 

I think, by and large, it is a reflection of society where people cut other drivers off, do not let others pass, cut in lines at theaters or other business, or otherwise think they and their business is of more importance than anyone elses.

 

It is a sad commentary on our society today, in this business or any other aspect of modern life.

[Guest newawlens]

RE: Deposits

 

>Yes we understand, your time is valuable and we dare not

>intrude on it

 

Did I miss something, or did you create this thread to complain about clients who wasted your time? So what's the deal, you get to complain when your time is wasted but others aren't supposed to complain when their time is wasted? Who decided that your time has value but no one else's time does?

 

Also, didn't you just create another thread telling people to stop complaining when escort arrangements don't work out? So does that apply to you too, or just to everyone except you?

[Guest Merlin]

An "in" call is in your apartment. If he wants to meet somewhere else, it is an "out" call, and it is his responsibility to pay for the hotel. He should rent the room and then call you and tell you the hotel room number.

[Guest Chazzz69]

>An "in" call is in your apartment. If he wants to meet

>somewhere else, it is an "out" call, and it is his

>responsibility to pay for the hotel. He should rent the room

>and then call you and tell you the hotel room number.

 

Exactly. Its the client, in my opinion, who should make the arrangements for an out call location. This way the escort can be certain that the guy is serious about the appointment.

 

If I want to see someone on an in call I fully expect that there is a possibility that a roommate/guest may be involved. I would expect that the escort would advise me of such or would make sure that his roommate or guests were not present when I arrived. At the very least he should inform the client that someone else is present. Its a comfort and safety issue for the client. Obviously one does not want to discover that a third party may be involved and be concerned about personal safety.

 

I hired an escort who was traveling through DC on an extended tour and staying with another local escort. He told me of such and when our session was over, I a chance to meet the guy. However, the escort asked my permission if this was ok and I agreed. I have subsequently added the guy to my to do list.

 

Chazzz69:P

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

RE: Deposits

 

Not at all, I created these posts to somehow give you an idea that we all go through crap. Both sides. The whip lash response from my postings are expected, some just cant seem to understand the world does not pivot around their wants and desires. Basically, like i said before, relax its just sex. From my experience, the ones that cry and fret the most about what if they are going to get ripped off or hustled are the ones that really cant afford to play this game anyways. Dont misunderstand what I am trying to get at here. Yes we need to throw those that are looking for their next line, fix, trick doing nothing in return for the money paid out into the open. But after a while it gets a bit tiresome when the nit picking starts. He didnt perform like I wanted. He was 7 minutes late therefore he had a 4 inch dick and was 50 pounds overweight. It seemed like he was on something because his face was flush and the list goes on and on. Take a deep breath, relax and then the worried, anxious look on your face will disapear and then we can show you a nice time without wondering if you are the verge of throwing us out or not. Am I making any sense

[Guest newawlens]

RE: Deposits

 

>But after a while it gets a bit tiresome

>when the nit picking starts. He didnt perform like I wanted.

>He was 7 minutes late therefore he had a 4 inch dick and was

>50 pounds overweight. It seemed like he was on something

>because his face was flush and the list goes on and on. Take

>a deep breath, relax and then the worried, anxious look on

>your face will disapear and then we can show you a nice time

>without wondering if you are the verge of throwing us out or

>not.

 

>Am I making any sense

 

 

Not really. If you are saying clients should not complain when an escort advertises that he has certain attributes or does certain things and they find he does not have or does not do those things, then no, that doesn't make sense. I don't know anyone who likes being tricked into buying something he really doesn't want, do you?

 

If you don't want to be accused of misrepresenting yourself, don't misrepresent yourself. If you don't want the client to be mad that you are late, be on time. These things are in your control, not the client's.

 

As for the clients who no-showed you, if you are going to rent a hotel room or incur some other cost to accommodate a client maybe you should ask for a deposit so you will be protected if the client doesn't show. I have wasted enough time waiting for escorts who showed up late or not at all that I wish I could think of some way to prevent that, but I can't.

[Guest Bitchboy]

RE: Deposits

 

I have wasted enough

>time waiting for escorts who showed up late or not at all

>that I wish I could think of some way to prevent that, but I

>can't.

 

 

Perhaps masturbate more often and save everyone a lot of disappointment.

[Guest newawlens]

RE: Deposits

 

>Perhaps masturbate more often and save everyone a lot of

>disappointment.

 

I really enjoyed that post you wrote about the death of your cat. You described the way the cat still seemed to care for you even on all those nights when you came in wasted on drugs. Does anyone care for you now? Given your rotten disposition it doesn't seem too likely.