Respect

[HooBoy]

Elwood wrote:

>>>Trying to get by,to survive, to live...without hurting or exploiting others...that is deserving of the ultimate respect.<<<

[BuckyXTC]

>Benjamin has turned Kissing-Ass into an art. Bravo.

>

 

 

Rod:

 

Not that you give a tinker's damn for what I think, but your swipe at Benjamin precisely embodies the kind of attitude that would eliminate any desire I would have to use your services as an escort.

 

From tijme to time, you "stir the pot" here which brings on some interesting discussion. At times I agree with you, and often I don't. But if I were to base my impressions on escorts purely on what they say here.......and not on things like physical appearance via photographs......I'd go for Benjamin every time because of his positive attitude and I'd avoid you like the plague. Once again, your animosity toward the younger escorts is showing. Rightly or wrongly, I always get the feeling that you would be one of those escorts who feel clients should be honored to meet you. I certainly don't get those vibes from Benjamin.

[alanalt]

>Oh the poor dear. Let's all pass the hat for him. Bet he's

>put a 100 thou of untaxed dollars in the bank or the sock

>under his bed too!

>

>:-)

>

>fukamarine

 

Did you read the whole post or did you just totally miss the point???

 

Mark (Kalifornia) says he finds no evidence of lack of respect on the MC. Well let's look at this post. First of all, with absolutely no foundation, fukamarine, assumes that the escort in question is also evading taxes. I don't know if he does or doesn't but I like how fukamarine jumps to that conclusion based on what??

 

Second. I wasn't asking for sympathy on the escort's behalf and, in fact, I pointed out that escorts are well compensated (in more ways than financially). And yet this snide, sarcastic remark is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...

 

Alan

[alanalt]

>Oh the poor dear. Let's all pass the hat for him. Bet he's

>put a 100 thou of untaxed dollars in the bank or the sock

>under his bed too!

>

>:-)

>

>fukamarine

 

Did you read the whole post or did you just totally miss the point???

 

Mark (Kalifornia) says he finds no evidence of lack of respect on the MC. Well let's look at this post. First of all, with absolutely no foundation, fukamarine, assumes that the escort in question is also evading taxes. I don't know if he does or doesn't but I like how fukamarine jumps to that conclusion based on what??

 

Second. I wasn't asking for sympathy on the escort's behalf and, in fact, I pointed out that escorts are well compensated (in more ways than financially). And yet this snide, sarcastic remark is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...

 

Alan

[alanalt]

RE: Money Talks

 

>Good point. They can't have it both ways.

>fukamarine

 

I don't see why not.

 

I work at a job for a decent wage, but just because my employer pays me, does not give him/her the right to treat me without consideration...

 

There's a difference between consideration and taking advantage, though (for both clients and escorts)...

 

Alan

[Rod Hagen]

Bucky,

 

Benjamin is smart, I respect his choice to be an escort, and have no problems in his case with his age. We've corresponded, briefly, and we share something very annoying, and private, in common. I don't dislike him, I just think he's a kiss ass.

 

Of course one doesn't always need to attack others in order to be interesting. But it's rare that Benjy types anything other than what the clients likely want to hear. Perhaps he's completely sincere, but you must admit it's quite convenient for his business (which goes to show how smart he is; I could take lessons).

 

I do think he's a kiss ass. I also think many other escorts here are kiss asses. They are all presumably doing much better business than I am as I'm sure I lose lots of guys just like you, so they have the last laugh. Being honest and confrontational in the message center hurts me financially; take solace in that. :-)

[Rod Hagen]

> Rightly or wrongly,

>I always get the feeling that you would be one of those

>escorts who feel clients should be honored to meet you. I

>certainly don't get those vibes from Benjamin.

 

Read my reviews, in person I'm extremely patient, giving, accomodating, and affectionate; a complete 180 from here (I guess that makes me, ultimately, a hypocrite).

[Rod Hagen]

>fukamarine here! I find it amusing that you can't tell the

>difference between "knee-jerk Verbal Bashings" and simply

>expressing an opinion that is different from yours.

 

Your opinion, in this case, is the same as mine. I don't think Escorts are more special than anybody else.

 

I also think that Doctors are overpraised too.

 

>Lazy are they? Well then the next time you have an

>operation, just tell the surgeon to skip the

>Anesthesiologist.

 

As a group, they do less work than any other class of Doctors I know of. That said, they work their asses off, just less than the others. When you wake up from surgery and you're NOT puking your guts out, you gotta give them the thumbs up. I have.

 

>Not really, I grasp it real well. I was just replying to a

>poster that claimed to know of an escort who only did it

>because he enjoyed it so much - not for the money.

 

Agreed. I do it because I enjoy it, the money is also important but it comes second.

 

>No. But he also shouldn't say he only does it because he

>enjoys it.

 

Agreed. He'd be an obvious fool if he did.

 

>Holy shit..... and you say anesthesiologists are lazy?

 

Some of it is laziness, some of it is the economy, some of it is that I don't do overnights anymore, much of it is my "bad" attitude on the Message Center, some of it is the fact that I'm no longer "new".

 

>Hey Dumbo - you have no idea whether I hire escorts or not.

>I have never revealed that in any post to this board. So

>don't presume to know all about me. And with regards to

>having to "resort". You obviously have never seen me.

 

I believe that you do hire escorts. I can't prove it. I also think you harbor anger towards them for reasons you are not aware of. I can't prove that either, so go ahead and say I'm talking outta my arse.

 

>True, but then again we wouldn't hire most of the population

>either.

 

You missed the second part of the paragraph where I stated that we are also the ones most likely to have proven ourselves and disply staying power in the business. It's perfectly conceivable that a client wouldn't want someone with either of those qualifications, but then he shouldn't be surprised when the FRESH Twink disappoints him, which addmitedly doesn't always happen.

[BigD]

>... We're no different from each other, not in any

>substantive way, except in the ways that make each of us

>unique...

>It's too complicated for me to have different sets of rules

>for different classes of people. So I treat everyone in my

>life in the same way.

 

Well said. Isn't it odd that we all know when someone is not

treating us with respect; it hurts. Then why are debating

whether or not who is due respect. We all are. I am

grateful when escorts share themselves so intimately with

clients. But the client who recognizes that also has gifts

and graces to share with the escort. Escorts and clients are

all part of the miracle of life. When we celebrate that,

respect is just naturally a part of the package.

 

BigD

[Rod Hagen]

Big D, I may be wrong (imagine!) but I don't think anybody here has claimed escorts, or clients, are beyond respect. The fundamental points as I see them are:

1. Escorts are perhaps too often put on pedastals (mountains) and don't deserve to be sainted.

2. Escorts, the good ones, offer big chunks of their insides and sacrafice much of their personal lives in an attempt to bring pleasure to other and get paid for doing so. Nevertheless, many feel that escorts shouldn't be sainted for the selflessness, since it's for cash. Many of these people have not made intimate love several times a week for months and then years with persons they would probably not be turned on by. Fortunately, many escorts have the advantage of being turned on by a wide variety of people, and therefore it really is impossible for the client to put himself in the escorts' shoes.

3. Some people say everyone deserves respect on first meeting, then they either maintain or lose it.

4. Others think nobody deserves initial respect and can ONLY earn it.

 

In all 4 cases Escorts and Clients can be respected, it's just a matter of degree and the status of the initial starting conditions.

[BigD]

>Big D, I may be wrong (imagine!) but I don't think anybody

>here has claimed escorts, or clients, are beyond respect.

Thanks for your thoughts. You have placed the points being

made in a good quadralaterial perspective. My take on this is

that we need to put everyone on a pedstal. Start there and keep

them there. When we recognize that all are deserving of this high

status, then we live life with grace.

[Guest fukamarine]

>Mark (Kalifornia) says he finds no evidence of lack of

>respect on the MC. Well let's look at this post. First of

>all, with absolutely no foundation, fukamarine, assumes that

>the escort in question is also evading taxes. I don't know

>if he does or doesn't but I like how fukamarine jumps to

>that conclusion based on what??

 

Just acting on the law of probabilities, that's all. I may be wrong but I doubt it.

 

>Second. I wasn't asking for sympathy on the escort's behalf

>and, in fact, I pointed out that escorts are well

>compensated (in more ways than financially). And yet this

>snide, sarcastic remark is a perfect example of what I'm

>talking about...

 

I guess you missed the "smilie" I inserted after my comments. Life must be very dull when you are totally lacking in a sense of humor.

 

fukamarine

[Guest fukamarine]

>Mark (Kalifornia) says he finds no evidence of lack of

>respect on the MC. Well let's look at this post. First of

>all, with absolutely no foundation, fukamarine, assumes that

>the escort in question is also evading taxes. I don't know

>if he does or doesn't but I like how fukamarine jumps to

>that conclusion based on what??

 

Just acting on the law of probabilities, that's all. I may be wrong but I doubt it.

 

>Second. I wasn't asking for sympathy on the escort's behalf

>and, in fact, I pointed out that escorts are well

>compensated (in more ways than financially). And yet this

>snide, sarcastic remark is a perfect example of what I'm

>talking about...

 

I guess you missed the "smilie" I inserted after my comments. Life must be very dull when you are totally lacking in a sense of humor.

 

fukamarine

[Guest newawlens]

>Read my reviews, in person I'm extremely patient, giving,

>accomodating, and affectionate; a complete 180 from here (I

>guess that makes me, ultimately, a hypocrite).

 

I don't think that makes you a hypocrite. My understanding of that term is that it refers to someone who advocates a certain standard of behavior on the part of others but does not live up to that standard himself. There is at least one escort posting in this thread who definitely fits that description, but it isn't you.

 

I have noticed that in discussions of whether escorts should feel free to refuse clients because of their race you always say they should, and they should not be criticized for rejecting any client with whom they don't feel comfortable for that or any other reason. On the other hand, you make some pretty testy remarks about clients who reject escorts because of their age. If you took the position that it's fine for escorts to reject anyone for any reason but not for clients to do the same, THEN you would be a hypocrite.

 

Lastly, don't think there is no one who appreciates the honest tone of your posts here. I do, and whether I agree with them or not I think they are far more interesting than those of any other escort. There are some people here who make it clear they don't respect anyone who disagrees with them about anything. Not me.

[Guest ChefsSaltyChocBalls]

>.... Being honest

>and confrontational in the message center hurts me

>financially; take solace in that.

 

No, coming off in the message center as a sociopath is what hurts your business. I can't tell if you actually hate the world or if it's just a brilliant facade, but I sure as heck don't want to find out by meeting you in person.

[btmstudnyc]

Group HUG PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE.

 

I finally remembered...INDESCENT PROPOSAL...with Robert Redford.

 

It makes you wonder...Who decides the value of anything? As long as escorts keep complaining about getting nickeled and dimed to death. So will Clients!

 

I charge what I like...You pay what you can afford. PERIOD.

 

If you want ME...YOU PAY ME. It's really quite simple.

 

This ain't canal street....if you want a cheap hooker you know where to go....If it cost 250 on the upper east side and you cant afford it...then go to the piers and get a 5 dollar blow job. Your right..what is the difference? Is a married straight man, going to cost more or less then a twink? I really dont think there should be an argument... We definitely are not GODS. WHO was foolish enough to think GOD had a PRICE.

 

Damn, I got all bitchy...does any one have a butch pill for $500 dollars.....and would you pay?

 

JIM

 

:+

[Rod Hagen]

>Lastly, don't think there is no one who appreciates the

>honest tone of your posts here. I do, and whether I agree

>with them or not I think they are far more interesting than

>those of any other escort. There are some people here who

>make it clear they don't respect anyone who disagrees with

>them about anything. Not me.

 

My point was that my Threads and Posts do my business more harm than good. And since you've stated that you have no interest in me sexually and would not hire me, your appreciation is noted, and I'm very grateful for it-Thank You-nevertheless, it doesn't pay the bills, which is what I was getting at.

 

Hypocrisy: you're exactly right, thank you for clarifying the definition. It occurs to me that there are several instances within this thread where I seem to contradict myself. Let me address them:

 

I said that people my age with hot bodies or sharp minds are wasting their time working at McDonalds, that they're being foolish. I then went on to say that nothing good comes from working at McDonalds.

 

Elsewhere I've stated that I don't think young guys should be escorting, and I've also said that young men should work at menial jobs so that they'll learn the value of a dollar.

 

Which is it? Is menial work good or bad? And what about Benjamin? He's a young guy. By saying that "He can handle it," aren't I falling into the same trap I've accused others of landing in? (Let me handle this one first, yes I'd rather see Benjamin doing something else with his life. I shouldn't have said I don't have a problem with him escorting, because that certainly contradicts what I've said before; I apologize.)

 

Next, I'd rather see a collegiate kid working an internship or trying for something with a future McDonalds can’t supply if he doesn't plan to go to college. Internships, paid or not, and certainly a supplemental or temporary job at McDonalds will serve a kid better than jumping into escorting at too young of an age.

 

I do think an escort should be able to say "no" whenever he wishes; otherwise it's rape. I also think that young kids aren't ready to handle escorting. These are two separate issues; there's no hypocrisy there.

[alanalt]

>Life must be very dull when you are totally

>lacking in a sense of humor.

>

>fukamarine

 

Ah yes, personal insults, the last refuge in a losing arguement...

 

I feel so much better now!;-)

 

Alan

[Guest fukamarine]

>>Life must be very dull when you are totally

>>lacking in a sense of humor.

>>

>>fukamarine

>

>Ah yes, personal insults, the last refuge in a losing

>arguement...

>

>I feel so much better now!;-)

 

If you think THAT was a personal insult, you haven't lived...

 

fukamarine

[alanalt]

>If you think THAT was a personal insult, you haven't

>lived...

>

>fukamarine

 

Believe me, I have no doubt that you could do much better...

[Guest fukamarine]

>>If you think THAT was a personal insult, you haven't

>>lived...

>>

>>fukamarine

>

>Believe me, I have no doubt that you could do much better...

 

I guess you're the type that just has to have the last word on ANY subject. As for the above - - - don't tempt me.

 

fukamarine

[chrismac]

A few personal (and unnecessary) insults aside, this has been a good thread in my opinion if for no other reason than I've broadened my perspective on the subject. I won't verbally masturbate by repeating in my own words comments which have already been stated several times above.

 

I will say this: I liked Rod's posts, especially the latter series, on this thread more than anything else. Right on dude. Some may say it isn't credible to gain or lose respect on a message board populated in large part by anonymous figures, but I know when I feel respect - and my esteem for Rod has increased quite a bit through his comments on this subject.

 

Just felt it deserved stating.

 

Cheers everyone.

[Gigiloz4me]

Whoa! I just skimmed the thread so my apologies if my comment is redundant.

 

Personally I hold a degree of admiration for 'successful' escorts that doesn't translate into more traditional jobs.

 

In addition, I'm grateful that I cannot completely separate a gratifying intimate activity with whether I paid for it or not. However, to misinterpret or inappropriately act on that 'gratification' is another story. We've all read way too many threads regarding these misguided souls.

 

I believe your successful escorts struggle with some degree of emotional turmoil. Perhaps not everyday or with every client but rather an overall emotional toll. If they don't (really don't) then are we dealing with sociopaths? I also don't believe these personal & psychological sacrifices can be mitigated by some hourly rate.

 

Based on their willingness to skillfully manage and manipulate the highly charged, intuitive, sexual desires of client after client at some expense to their own... yeah, they have my respect.

 

Finally, and personally, I'd much rather deal with my corporate deadlines and profitability than the ups and downs I suspect these guys deal with on a daily basis.

 

Go easy on me boys....

[Rod Hagen]

Thanks Chris. They say that if you can reach just one person....you must have done a really shitty job of stating your points. :-) THANK YOU!

[Guest dstud4hire]

>but please,

>let's not canonize them.

>The closest thing that comes close to "gods" is the doctor

>who spent THOUSANDS of dollars and countless 48 hour shifts

>with practically no personal life in order to SAVE YOUR LIFE

>if and when the occasion arises.

>This has NOTHING to do with respect...EVERYONE should give

>and receive respect.

 

"CANONIZE"????!!!!!

 

 

I hardly think that HB or any other person who has posted on here in favor of respecting escorts is canonizing us......

 

HB's post was simply that...a well written post expressing an opinion which would hold us in favor. He wasn't denegrating anyone else such as teachers, fireman, or doctors....

 

and I would be willing to bet that any escort on this site doesn't see himself above any of those professions, nor do we take ourselves too seriously. But when it comes to respect, I think what some are talking about is...let's not disrespect escorts simply because of what they do, or are perceived as doing.....let's not necessarilly treat us escorts like one might stereotypically treat what is otherwise termed a 'whore'. It may be a different line of work, but it is work nonetheless, helps pay some extra bills, and frankly, has taught me more about sex and allowed me the space to completely let go of my own sexual inhibitions.

 

regarding the comment to please remember that sex for money is illegal in the US...I don't know what that has to do with anything with regards to respect. It's only illegal because we live in a puritanical country whose precepts of sexuality are so stone cold and conservative, that the mere talk of sex makes many in the US uncomfortable if not down right quesie. In my country of ancestry (Holland - where most of my family reside), prostitution is legal, checked upon by health officials, and sexuality in general is a much more open in discussion.

 

and lastly, to the post which totally insults clients by making them feel bad for their decisions by calling this a 'low self esteam' problem when you hire.....what an insult to a good many people. Yes, self esteem drives just about everything we do, but it is the moderation to which we do it which exemplifies whether or not we approach this with a healthy attitude or not. (i.e. someone who may choose to take a hit of something every once in a while vs. someone who destroys their lives and those around them through an addiction)

 

The same holds true for sex. If a client chooses to make things a bit easier and not deal with the BS of the bars if you are looking for something, vs....someone who spends all the family money on hiring for sex, to the disregard of homelife, then there might be a self esteem problem going on..)...but if you want to get a reality check of what can really bruise one's self esteem, all I have to do is listen to the clients report on trying to hang out in a bar if you want to satisfy your needs, and deal with all that bull shit....just to watch those with attitude go home with others with attitude.

 

who needs that!? when you can hire a good looking, handsome, in shape escort who is going to make you feel great for an hour or a night...it's no different then choosing to go shopping to treat yourself right, get an awesome massage, or otherwise pamper yourself.

 

That brings me back to the original post. it's not that we are better than anyone else, it's that we do indeed offer a valuable service to many, and those that may judge others for hiring or being hired, stating it's a self esteem problem are generally the ones with the self esteem problem, for something inheritly makes them feel bad about all this, so it becomes easier to put others down.