The Gushers

[Greathands]

You're not wrong, doitb4ugo ...

 

My comments were not about the posters. It was just an observation that sometimes well-intentioned posts sometimes may unintentionally backfire.

[+ Gar1eth]

The 'gushing' itself doesn't bother or turn me off an escort. However the information I learn about an escort either from the 'gushers' (clients) or the 'gushee'(escort) may help me determine whether the escort and I would be compatible. So the gushing may actually help me decide whom to hire.

 

Gman

[orbital sander]

And here it thought this thread was about oil drilling...

 

I just skip over any posts that do not interest me and move on, I know it sounds simple, but once you grow up it becomes less difficult.

[Doug69]

Or, just let people say as they wish because at the end of the day, this is a forum where thoughts/ideas are exchanged. Not everyone is going to read things they care about or are interested in replying to and that is perfectly acceptable as well but no need to start a specific thread and then single people out as it has been done here.

 

Just to recap this hypocritical statement from Romann: we should let people freely express themselves because this is a forum where thoughts/ideas are exchanged, and nobody should ever be singled out or have a specific thread written about them, unless it's Romann who is singled out by leigh.bess.toad and NYTomcat and then only if it's hyper-positive and not critical in any way. Got that?

 

Personally, I think this thread was done out of spite because some of the posters here have in fact during their time on the forum "gushed" about their favorite escorts as well.

 

That's probably up there with other classically stupid escort lines like "The client had bad breath" or "The client wanted to bareback me." Now, anyone who has anything to say that isn't gushing praise or a cliquey in-joke must be "spiteful." And can you point out where I've ever "gushed" over my favorite escort anyway?

[Doug69]

And sometimes when some "famous" posters here go on and on about some great escorts, I begin to feel that they are a bit out of my league.

 

I've never felt that, but I do think that the way they go on and on tends to make said escorts sound overused and "not so fresh." Especially when, for example, the clients refer to the escort as being "scathed" when they're finished using him.

[+ newatthis]

What I wonder about is why people, who, it seems, know each other well and communicate regularly off-board, are having a very extended private conversation in public.

 

I think the escorts are blameless here; they are the subjects of some of the banter, but not instigators or participants. Still, it's easy to be left with a sense that certain posters have such close relationships with certain escorts that hiring them would be an intrusion, and I suspect that's what PK was saying in the post that started all this.

[RockHard]

Please, give the real men here a break.

 

...the way they go on and on tends to make said escorts sound overused and "not so fresh."

Good god! What a laugh. We're not hiring tampons. What a silly, girly thing to say and think. What hot gay man hasn't had sex a million times? Even the average and ugly find a way. Unless virgin twinks or closet queens are your thing, many of us prefer a man with experience, a man who knows what turns him on and why. A man who knows how to keep himself healthy, too. Good luck finding those qualities in an under-used, fresh dude.

 

Doug, sweetie, this new tree you're barking up is falling limp.

[leigh.bess.toad]

Well excuse me for living. Do I get excited about the escorts I hire? Hell yes. Do I get excited and try to promote even escorts I haven't hired but have talked to or met and know to be good people and good escorts based on discussions with friends who have hired them? Hell yes. On my cell phone I have the phone numbers of 12 escorts, 3 of whom I've never hired. Yet I'll be out there trying to promote them as well. My question is why aren't you out there promoting your guys too? Do you not really care about them or their success? I do. I am constantly referring guys to them to help their business. Do you? Not doing so to me is an indication that you really don’t care about them, but are only interested in having them serve your needs. I do care. I want them to be successful and happy and I want my friends to know what a wonderful guy whatever escort is being discussed is. My tastes in escorts certainly is different than others, and why I hire is different than others, so I know all of the guys I hire wouldn’t be a fit with all my friends. But they might be so I talk about them.

 

This is a free and open MC where everyone can post anything (as long as it is acceptable to the admins). It is physically impossible to hijack this forum. You are certainly free to bitch about me. Have at it. Only rarely do I ever even post a response to a thread where I disagree with anyone but it's always been done in a friendly, non-confrontational manner. And every time I’ve been thanked for disagreeing without being disagreeable. I have never attacked other members as you have just done to me and NYTomcat. You sure are free to. But it’s something that would never even occur to me to do to anyone else here. It’s beneath me.

 

I owe a lot to this forum. It has given me a place to explore myself, form friendships – yes, real, honest to god in person friendships. And I have become a client of and friend to many amazing escorts. I hire differently than many. I’m looking for that personal connection with the guys I hire and I’ve been rewarded and blessed to have received it from so many. These men have been my teachers, my mentors, my guides and have helped me grow as a client, as a man, and as a gay man. I treasure each one of the relationships I’ve built with these men. Am I delusional to think that I’m their best buddy, their soulmate? Hell no. I love each and every one of them. But I'm not IN love with any of them. Do I think that I’m the only client they’ve got? No, I’m not wealthy like some of the guys here – I have to work hard to be able to afford to spend time with them and I know I’m only a small, miniscule part of their business. I can't hire for week long trips or fancy excursions. But in spite of that, they’ve been there to support me. And because they I’ve been there for me, I will continue to be there for them.

 

And I try to give back to the forum and its members because of what this place means to me. What have you done for the forum and the guys here? Have you organized a luncheon so fellow posters can meet and make new friends? And so the escorts there may be able to meet new potential clients? I have. Have you been part of a group trying to help a friend with a serious medical problem? I have. Have stayed up late at night talking to friends here who were having serious problems and you want to help? I have. Have you driven a couple of hundred miles just so you can meet friends you’ve made on the forum in person? I have, at least half a dozen times. Do you post a welcome to most new members joining, encouraging them to join in and participate? This is especially true for escorts because I do value their contributions and I learn from every one of them that posts. I know I have. Why haven’t you?

 

One of the posters said it looks ridiculous to those like him who have a foot in reality. Well I’ve seen the gushes about his favorite escort and I haven’t bitched. I sure as hell have never had to be placed in timeout because of how I treated anyone here. But I don’t have just my foot in reality – I’m fully immersed, thank you very much. I’m newly out – to my wife. So I’m dealing with my wife, who has been supportive of me coming out (and I’m supporting her through this process too), worrying about how my special needs son is doing, starting to date men, meeting up with a fuck buddy, arranging other hookups for fun, a full-time plus job, volunteering at my local gay community center, as well as staying in contact with many of the friends (and yes, escorts too) I’ve made here as well as post here. And my reality is fine. To me, none of this is fantasy. This is all very real because I fully understand what my relationships are and where the lines are drawn. And I will NEVER cross those lines. So don’t talk to me about reality.

 

If I've offended your delicate sensibilities, I'm sorry. I'm just not a Debbie Downer sort of guy. I could never attack anyone as you have. I'm enthusiastic about a wide variety of subjects and guys. Can I go over the top and jump the shark sometimes? You bet. And when I do I get pulled up by the short hairs by the people who need to do so.

 

So bitch away at me. Kvetch all you want. I’m proud of the guys I hire, and even of the guys I know that I haven’t. Why aren't you? I’ve been blessed by the many friends I’ve made here that have let me share part of their life. I want them to know that I appreciate all that they have done for me, and continue to do for me. And for that I will be eternally grateful.

[JT Brooklyn]

Good god! What a laugh. We're not hiring tampons. What a silly, girly thing to say and think. What hot gay man hasn't had sex a million times? Even the average and ugly find a way. Unless virgin twinks or closet queens are your thing, many of us prefer a man with experience, a man who knows what turns him on and why. A man who knows how to keep himself healthy, too. Good luck finding those qualities in an under-used, fresh dude.

 

Doug, sweetie, this new tree you're barking up is falling limp.

 

"Even The Average & Ugly" find a way! Love it!

[NYTomcat]

Ok my turn..... its an open forum. If an escort complains about the things I say about Them I would consider stopping. In fact funny isn't it. The last time my name came up was for failing to gush over Ryan Cade. Apparently that meant I was implying something negative.. .. hmm damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

So I have no interest or worry about whether my posts please any or none of you. Daddy's sandbox. He's the only other opinion that matters. (Ok deej and Cooper by extension) read my posts or don't... block my posts or don't. Hell you will never find me in the politics forum. Why ? Cause certain opinionated idiotic windbags make me nuts. But hey... Have at it

 

So to me this all sounds like sour grapes from a couple of guys with axes to grind. Some for personal reasons... some jealous escorts perhaps. And some jealous clients.

 

So read my posts or not. I could care less as long as those I care about are happy. To the rest... go blow it out your ass.

[Guest countryboywny]

I'm in Lee and Tom's corner on this.. Keep on talkin' boys.. I'm listening!

[+ Gar1eth]

What hot gay man hasn't had sex a million times? Even the average and ugly find a way.

 

As one of the ugly-- I'm going to have to dispute this remark.

 

Gman

[Dave]

i haven't been on this forum for weeks. maybe more, i don’t know. the fact is, although i love escorting, and my relationships with many of my clients have significantly affected my life in positive ways, i do not love this forum. unlike escorting itself, this forum doesn’t make me feel good.

 

anyway, today one of my clients sent me an email about this thread. i started reading it, and once again, felt - - - bad.

 

i think that Romann had it totally right when he said “if someone isn't reviewed or discussed enough, people complain. Now, if you,re reviewed and discussed too much, people complain.”

 

i thought that seeker630 was right too, when he wrote “This MC has always been a double-edged sword for escorts.”

 

and i’m totally behind RockHard and leigh.bess.toad’s comments. both, to me, are spot-on.

 

i decided to see what would possess someone to write such an inflammatory post. i checked out Doug69‘s profile to see if he was, as NYTomcat insinuated, a jealous escort posing as a client. nope - Doug has been on the forum for quite a while. Doug is the guy that exposed BN’s blog as one full of plagiarism. Doug is someone who mostly posted in Politics, Religion & War and was even told by Daddy, “Doug9 do this type of rant ever again and you'll be gone permanently.” (11-03-2004, Advice for you suicidal liberals).

 

but the most telling piece of all, to me at least, was a thread started by Doug more than five years ago (2-10-2006, Seriously, what happened here?). he began by stating how dead the forum had become:

__________________________

 

Seriously, what happened here?

I haven't look at this place in months, but I can't believe what I see as I survey the carnage. This place is deader than Hooboy.

 

All the bad, mean posters were banned or went away, and what happened? Exactly what we always said would happen: the rest of the people - the nice babbling cliched old codgers - would end up boring themselves, and every one else, to death. All that would be left would be a few drooling imbeciles and loons babbling to each other about nothing.

 

And that's exactly what is left. Virtually no thread has more than 10 responses. Each only has a couple of hundred reads. There is no life here. No soul. It is all drained away and zapped. It's just a sad, smelly carcass of crap. Corpses going through the motions.

 

I hope all of you learned your lesson - be careful what you wish for. You got the forum that you wanted, and now you are forced to look in the mirror every day and see that the forum has become exactly what you are (see above).

 

God bless Hooboy. For his sake, shouldn't this just all be shut down already? Please put it out of its misery.

__________________________

 

go look at his other posts, from years back. it’s clear to me that he historically has sought to write something outrageous or as controversial as possible, so that people would get up in arms and a heated argument would ensue. here is the link to his “Seriously” post, with four pages of people’s comments:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?43222-Seriously-what-happened-here

 

i found it interesting to read each comment on that thread - it seems that five years ago, doug was not going to win any popularity awards. many people were putting him down for his meanness, negativity, and general unpleasantness.

 

i wonder if he might consider a different tactic? the cowardly lion realized he didn’t need to scare people to get them close to him... the wizard of oz figured out that he didn’t need to move wheels and levers behind a screen to make himself more important... i’m just wondering if Doug might find himself some other ways to interact, one day?

 

but i’m not writing this to start The War With Doug69. i am sharing this with all of you who (like me) didn’t know where the initial rant in this discussion was really coming from, and more important, letting you know that this man has a history of being unpleasant and un-liked - right here on the forum! before anyone else spends their time replying to an inflammatory initial post, they should know about this poster’s background.

 

no doubt he will turn against me and start pointing out how wrong i am about this or that: it appears to me that Doug is intelligent, clearly a critical thinker, and likes to debate all he can.

 

i’ve said this before on the forum, but it’s time to say it again: too often, we escorts suffer when we are written about. and god forbid if we should comment, like i just did.

 

alas, i’m going to keep my ratio as it has been: 98% escorting, 2% forum-reading. it may vary when i comment on something like this, but sadly (and ironically), it’s better for me to stay away from this escort-unhealthy environment.

[+ Gar1eth]

i haven't been on this forum for weeks. maybe more, i don’t know. the fact is, although i love escorting, and my relationships with many of my clients have significantly affected my life in positive ways, i do not love this forum. unlike escorting itself, this forum doesn’t make me feel good.

 

anyway, today one of my clients sent me an email about this thread. i started reading it, and once again, felt - - - bad.

 

i think that Romann had it totally right when he said “if someone isn't reviewed or discussed enough, people complain. Now, if you,re reviewed and discussed too much, people complain.”

 

i thought that seeker630 was right too, when he wrote “This MC has always been a double-edged sword for escorts.”

 

and i’m totally behind RockHard and leigh.bess.toad’s comments. both, to me, are spot-on.

 

i decided to see what would possess someone to write such an inflammatory post. i checked out Doug69‘s profile to see if he was, as NYTomcat insinuated, a jealous escort posing as a client. nope - Doug has been on the forum for quite a while. Doug is the guy that exposed BN’s blog as one full of plagiarism. Doug is someone who mostly posted in Politics, Religion & War and was even told by Daddy, “Doug9 do this type of rant ever again and you'll be gone permanently.” (11-03-2004, Advice for you suicidal liberals).

 

but the most telling piece of all, to me at least, was a thread started by Doug more than five years ago (2-10-2006, Seriously, what happened here?). he began by stating how dead the forum had become:

__________________________

 

Seriously, what happened here?

I haven't look at this place in months, but I can't believe what I see as I survey the carnage. This place is deader than Hooboy.

 

All the bad, mean posters were banned or went away, and what happened? Exactly what we always said would happen: the rest of the people - the nice babbling cliched old codgers - would end up boring themselves, and every one else, to death. All that would be left would be a few drooling imbeciles and loons babbling to each other about nothing.

 

And that's exactly what is left. Virtually no thread has more than 10 responses. Each only has a couple of hundred reads. There is no life here. No soul. It is all drained away and zapped. It's just a sad, smelly carcass of crap. Corpses going through the motions.

 

I hope all of you learned your lesson - be careful what you wish for. You got the forum that you wanted, and now you are forced to look in the mirror every day and see that the forum has become exactly what you are (see above).

 

God bless Hooboy. For his sake, shouldn't this just all be shut down already? Please put it out of its misery.

__________________________

 

go look at his other posts, from years back. it’s clear to me that he historically has sought to write something outrageous or as controversial as possible, so that people would get up in arms and a heated argument would ensue. here is the link to his “Seriously” post, with four pages of people’s comments:

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/showthread.php?43222-Seriously-what-happened-here

 

i found it interesting to read each comment on that thread - it seems that five years ago, doug was not going to win any popularity awards. many people were putting him down for his meanness, negativity, and general unpleasantness.

 

i wonder if he might consider a different tactic? the cowardly lion realized he didn’t need to scare people to get them close to him... the wizard of oz figured out that he didn’t need to move wheels and levers behind a screen to make himself more important... i’m just wondering if Doug might find himself some other ways to interact, one day?

 

but i’m not writing this to start The War With Doug69. i am sharing this with all of you who (like me) didn’t know where the initial rant in this discussion was really coming from, and more important, letting you know that this man has a history of being unpleasant and un-liked - right here on the forum! before anyone else spends their time replying to an inflammatory initial post, they should know about this poster’s background.

 

no doubt he will turn against me and start pointing out how wrong i am about this or that: it appears to me that Doug is intelligent, clearly a critical thinker, and likes to debate all he can.

 

i’ve said this before on the forum, but it’s time to say it again: too often, we escorts suffer when we are written about. and god forbid if we should comment, like i just did.

 

alas, i’m going to keep my ratio as it has been: 98% escorting, 2% forum-reading. it may vary when i comment on something like this, but sadly (and ironically), it’s better for me to stay away from this escort-unhealthy environment.

 

Dave,

 

You may have a point. However I don't really agree with your view of things. I prefer things on the mild side. If the only thing that can keep the Forum alive is someone being deliberately provocative, well that's awfully artificial. On the whole I don't want to go to war with anyone, I prefer having generally peaceful discussions.

 

Gman

[EZEtoGRU]

I don't have a horse in this race so I think I can offer an objective opinion. In the end, unless what people are posting is illegal or innappropriate, I think everyone has a right to post what they wish. Equally all readers have the right to read threads/postings or not. No-one is being forced to read anything on here. Every time we come on here we choose to read threads or not. I doubt any of us read every single thread that is on Daddy's. There are certain threads and postings from some originators that I simply pay no attention to. I'm sure most of us do this.

 

Having said the above, do I believe that NYTomcats last line on his posting above was innaproriate? Yes I do. Are there some exchanges in certain threads that seem like a personal conversation or inside joke that might be better handled via PM or personal e-mail......especially if they go on and on and on? Yes probably. This is how things go in the cyberworld. Maybe as a result of this thread, we will all think a little more before we post........but there should be no censorship. That's for sure.

[jimboivyo]

my opinion

 

it ain't jealousy on my part. it's just an agreement with doug69 that several folks here ride high on their escort horse and look rather foolish at times in how they express their over the top, girlish affectations. These are after all escorts. not your best friends.

 

What I have more problems with are those of you who have left families behind, openly brag about it and can't seem to find tact in how you handle yourselves. You're grown men. I say Act like it.

[NYTomcat]

Sorry Eze.... blow it out your ass is a NY euphemism for have a blessed day.

 

Which just always seems a fitting response to jimbo's opinion ...

[whipped guy]

Well, I am not quite sure if I am officially considered to be a gusher as implied by the original poster. However, I did experience quite the memorable gusher in the sense intended by some of the posters who came to this thread expecting something quite different. That it came on Judgment Day and was elicited by the escort in question certainly left me with the proverbial smile on my face… which smile has been with me for the past couple of days. Then I came to this thread… and all of this chatter has somewhat surprised me.

 

First I must say that I and many others come to this forum for recreation, for entertainment, and yes, for the sheer fun of it all. Now, if in the process of having a bit of diversion a few inside jokes are shared, or some good cheer is spread I see no harm. I simply say lighten up… and if in the process some information is being shared about the demeanor and talents of a particular escort, such knowledge is certainly a good and useful thing even if the information seems to be “gushing” forward in an unorthodox manner.

 

As for myself, I have experienced quite a harrowing past few months… really revealing the fact that I have been having problems is probably out of order… but I simply mention it to reinforce why so many of us congregate here. That the enjoyment obtained from his site on a variety of levels has helped me get through the hurdles of my life is simply a fact of my recent existence... and that includes not only fellow posters here, but also the escort in question… and believe you me there is no finer person… and it was certainly proven by the fact that we both survived Judgment Day unscathed!

 

Still, I can easily understand how some feel left out, or totally turned off by some of the “gushing”. It is human nature to experience being left out… I certainly have experienced such feelings. However, that does not make those who are part of the “in crowd” criminals or wrong to express their feelings in a manner that they perceive to be proper. And yes! Some ride higher on their escort horses than do others... and in some eyes that might make them look foolish... However, the bottom line is this... all of us here are merely human... and as such we express and illustrate all the foibles of mankind... and that is simply a fact of life...

[Diverdan]

WOW.... I was away for a few days and now when I signed on tonight, I was amazed by the postings in this thread. I know some of the guys who are accused of being "gushers", and my reply is keep on gushing about those wonderful experiences... just keep expanding your experiences and sharing the good news. For those who are unhappy with the "gushers", just ignore their posts, or better yet, gush about the great experiences you have had with others, whether they are escorts or not. I have met some wonderful men in my long life, some of whom are still in the business, and others who have retired or moved on to other work. I treasure 95% of those whom I have met but seldom "gush", but I probably should as it might help them advance their career. In addition, I am hoping to meet many of the non-escort posters too and get to know them~!

DD

[Doug69]

You are certainly free to bitch about me.

 

I have never attacked other members as you have just done to me and NYTomcat.

 

I could never attack anyone as you have.

 

So bitch away at me. Kvetch all you want.

 

It's absolutely fascinating to see how you feel victimized and attacked from a simple critical post. Where was this "bitching" and "attacking" you keep referring to?

 

On my cell phone I have the phone numbers of 12 escorts, 3 of whom I've never hired. Yet I'll be out there trying to promote them as well. My question is why aren't you out there promoting your guys too? Do you not really care about them or their success? I do.

 

You must have had trouble reading through your tears of anguish, but that was the whole point of my original post. As evidenced by others who have agreed with me in this thread, your "promoting," of which you're so proud, can actually have the opposite effect than intended. But, I guess you don't really care enough about these escorts to give that any consideration. No, Lee feels slighted so he gets defensive, blows his own horn and goes on the attack. Like I said, it's fascinating.

[Doug69]

So to me this all sounds like sour grapes from a couple of guys with axes to grind. Some for personal reasons... some jealous escorts perhaps. And some jealous clients.

 

Right, because it couldn't possibly be true that anybody just doesn't care for your schoolgirlish posts. It must be jealousy. Escorts and clients alike are jealous of you. Brilliant.

 

So read my posts or not. I could care less as long as those I care about are happy. To the rest... go blow it out your ass.

 

it's nice to know you can handle simple criticism like a big boy.

[leigh.bess.toad]

What I have more problems with are those of you who have left families behind, openly brag about it and can't seem to find tact in how you handle yourselves. You're grown men. I say Act like it.

 

Well I don't know who in the hell you are talking about. I know I haven't left mine. My wife's upstairs. shall I call her down to post something?

[leigh.bess.toad]

It's absolutely fascinating to see how you feel victimized and attacked from a simple critical post. Where was this "bitching" and "attacking" you keep referring to?

 

From another thread, where leigh.bess.toad and NYTomcat were overdoing it:

 

saccharine-sweet, cliquey, adolescent in-jokes

 

It seems as though the message center has been hijacked

 

Sounds like bitching to me. By calling me out by name mkes it more than a simple critical post. That constitutes an attack. Pure and simple.

 

 

You must have had trouble reading through your tears of anguish, but that was the whole point of my original post. As evidenced by others who have agreed with me in this thread, your "promoting," of which you're so proud, can actually have the opposite effect than intended. But, I guess you don't really care enough about these escorts to give that any consideration. No, Lee feels slighted so he gets defensive, blows his own horn and goes on the attack. Like I said, it's fascinating.

 

As could any single thing anyone says here. If I don't like someone's posts on the politics thread, but I see they like Escort A, I may think "the guy's a jerk on that forjm so the escort he raves about must be a jerk too".

 

As I said, if I go overboard, the escorts are free to pull me up by my short-hairs. I've spoken to several of them today. Not one of them have a whit of a problem. But even further, if they think I go to far, they are free not to even allow me to hire them again. I risk that with every post. So does each of us whether we realize it or not.

 

There have been just as many, if not more, who agree with me -- gush away. To me, if you decide not to see someone you find incredibly hot and who people find to provide great services simply because people may go overboard, you must not want to see them very much anyway and probably wouldn't be a client.

 

But Doug69 is making a simple observation without attacking anyone. With your rep? Who you kidding, bro?

[RockHard]

Be careful not to take anyone here too seriously.

 

...if they (escorts) think I go to far, they are free not to even allow me to hire them again. I risk that with every post. So does each of us whether we realize it or not.

I think this can be true. As a direct result of my online personality here, there may be one escort who dissed me because he assumed he knew me and, therefore, didn't like me. I was really surprised when this happened because I assumed that the escort was smart enough to realize one must never judge a book by its cover. I'm not a fan of brainless men, no matter how sexy looking, so dropping him from my list was just as easy.

 

A word of caution: our old friend; yeah, the one who stalked Benjamin Nicholas til the bitter end, has a history of twisting words. She's very committed to the art and, much like Bjork, she enjoys ruffled feathers. Take it from me, she can be a hairy pussy. Why any gay man would get worked up over a hairy pussy is beyond me. I have a feeling the view count turns a hairy pussy into a hard cock.

[Steven_Draker]

Since my question in another thread was the take off for this thread, I thought I would add an opinion. The initial post was placed as a legitimate question. Had the posters considered that their bantering back and forth might negatively impact an escort. This thread answers this question generally and then specifically back to the original escort.

 

Good morning,

What thread this poster is referring to and what question triggered Doug69 to come out of his 'sabbatical' ?