411 Greg Smart in Las Vegas

[raife]

If you want to make a point don't exaggerate. No one was saying anything at all about "hot clients only". I don't think any escort would or should expect that. However, I was talking about them being "into" it and not about how accommodating they could be. Being fat absolutely has to be communicated. I'm not sure in the case of the reviewer that it was. I think he just assumed too much based on the guys past reviews. As I said allot of people and even professionals can't get down with someone overweight. Doesn't make them bad or too picky. Just the way it is.

 

I would say the majority of middle-age guys who hire escorts have a bit of "spread" especially in this country (US), everybody has somewhere along the size spectrum where they draw the line, just usually it's a bit more on the generous side - a weight cut-off lower than 260# (for an average height guy) is rather restrictive in my book. Just put "HWP only" (height-weight proportional) or "no fatties" in your ad if you don't give a shit about PC. Or like most guys (the cowardly type), just fail to respond when a potential new hire is honest about his weight. Same as it ever was.

[+ Gar1eth]

Ok I can see there being a larger issue here and this is what the forum is all about. Sorry.

 

Damnit bostonman you beat me to the punchline. I already had this written out. LOL ……...In LA we have a place called silverlake where over weight people aren't just tolerated but sought out. Of coarse their called bears. It also depends on what kind of escort your searching for. If it's a slim, twink looking guy I think finding one that's got any kind of interest would be like finding a 4 leaf clover. However, yes their obviously out there. However, you need to find someone with a little "maturity" or as brooklyn guy says…a pro.

 

I do stand behind my statement that most people aren't into overweight though. All you have to do is search on manhunt and that probably would be the most common thing said. There their honest. Escorts can't afford to be honest though. If he says I'm not into fat guys. Well, first there goes a large chunk of business. Then it makes him look picky which is what's being discussed here. It's a touchy subject for sure.

 

The best you can do is practice proper communication. You ask and he says he's 260. Well, then you say sorry no-can-do.

 

PS. Is manscaping less gay then say getting a wax?

 

I'm going to have to jump in here too. Jaker-- we can definitely see your tastes here. And yes I understand your point. I am a large guy- maybe not the largest-- but definitely overweight-- about 224 ( just got weighed at the doctor's office for a routine check up) and my abdomen looks a lot like I swallowed a beach ball. I usually tell escorts this in the conversation prior to meeting-- unless rarely I forget for some reason. I would say a large proportion of guys who hire don't look that different from me. The majority of escorts Ive met have said they were expecting worse when we actually meet-- but the majority have said from the beginning on the phone that they don't mind. Now I don't expect any escort to fall in love with me, but unless the escort stresses HWP in their ad-- I expect them to be able to perform and live up to the promises as stated either by phone, email, or their ad. If an escort can't function with aguys of all body types-- assuming the guy is respectful and clean, then possibly this is not the correct field of work that the guy should be in.

 

Although in this case with Mr. Smart-- we don't even know if weight was the problem or not. And oral is a pretty basic request-- so that if he doesn't do it-- especially after multiple reviews say yes-- the escort ought to let someone know beforehand.

 

Gman

 

Gman

[leigh.bess.toad]

I would say the majority of middle-age guys who hire escorts have a bit of "spread" especially in this country (US), everybody has somewhere along the size spectrum where they draw the line, just usually it's a bit more on the generous side - a weight cut-off lower than 260# (for an average height guy) is rather restrictive in my book. Just put "HWP only" (height-weight proportional) or "no fatties" in your ad if you don't give a shit about PC. Or like most guys (the cowardly type), just fail to respond when a potential new hire is honest about his weight. Same as it ever was.

 

Raife -- I think I love you. But you shouldn't have deleted that last part. At least IMHO. I was talking to someone today and told him that we gay men at times can be shallow creatures -- everything based on looks, appearance. "Manscaping". fine if you like it but not for me. And I admit, I'm just as guilty as the next guy. But that lack of initial jolt to the cock can be overcome by looking at the rest of the person. And that's what I try to do. I'm not as successful as I would like, much to my deep regret and shame.

 

But this is similar to the other question of: how much do you tell the escort before you hire him for the first time. I'm now real close to HWP (or I lie to myself and say I am, but then why would I need a trainer). But I remember before I've lost the weight and got in shape and try to remember what it was like. I still get rejected because of age (I remember when dirt was invented) but I try to carry that rejection in my heart so I don't automatically do it to someone else.

 

And when you are paying someone big sums of money, if they can't accept people as they are, CHANGE JOBS! Or put it clearly in your ads.

 

I'm sure most escorts would probably rather have all young, handsome, fit and muscled clients with big bank accounts, big cocks, and receptive asses. But those would by far the exception. So accept people as they are or CHANGE JOBS!

[MiamiLooker]

Ok I can see there being a larger issue here and this is what the forum is all about. Sorry.

 

Damnit bostonman you beat me to the punchline. I already had this written out. LOL ……...In LA we have a place called silverlake where over weight people aren't just tolerated but sought out. Of coarse their called bears. It also depends on what kind of escort your searching for. If it's a slim, twink looking guy I think finding one that's got any kind of interest would be like finding a 4 leaf clover. However, yes their obviously out there. However, you need to find someone with a little "maturity" or as brooklyn guy says…a pro.

 

I do stand behind my statement that most people aren't into overweight though. All you have to do is search on manhunt and that probably would be the most common thing said. There their honest. Escorts can't afford to be honest though. If he says I'm not into fat guys. Well, first there goes a large chunk of business. Then it makes him look picky which is what's being discussed here. It's a touchy subject for sure.

 

The best you can do is practice proper communication. You ask and he says he's 260. Well, then you say sorry no-can-do.

 

PS. Is manscaping less gay then say getting a wax?

 

If the client finds out the escort is dumber than shit, should he have to pay full price? Of "coarse", "their" are exceptions.

[raife]

Raife -- I think I love you. But you shouldn't have deleted that last part. At least IMHO. I was talking to someone today and told him that we gay men at times can be shallow creatures -- everything based on looks, appearance. "Manscaping". fine if you like it but not for me. And I admit, I'm just as guilty as the next guy. But that lack of initial jolt to the cock can be overcome by looking at the rest of the person. And that's what I try to do. I'm not as successful as I would like, much to my deep regret and shame.

 

But this is similar to the other question of: how much do you tell the escort before you hire him for the first time. I'm now real close to HWP (or I lie to myself and say I am, but then why would I need a trainer). But I remember before I've lost the weight and got in shape and try to remember what it was like. I still get rejected because of age (I remember when dirt was invented) but I try to carry that rejection in my heart so I don't automatically do it to someone else.

 

And when you are paying someone big sums of money, if they can't accept people as they are, CHANGE JOBS! Or put it clearly in your ads.

 

I'm sure most escorts would probably rather have all young, handsome, fit and muscled clients with big bank accounts, big cocks, and receptive asses. But those would by far the exception. So accept people as they are or CHANGE JOBS!

 

Hi Lee, thanks! It just speaks to the maturity and professionalism of the escorts. Even the non-pros I see have a wonderful professional attitude, that's why I keep coming back to the same guys. I feel amply rewarded for my expenses, money well spent!

 

One of the main reason this forum exists, in my opinion, to help expose the scammers and unprofessional guys, and reward the quality men with as much business as possible.

 

I live in LA and I'm getting the feeling I've communicated with this dude Jaker before, good thing it fell through. My earlier [deleted] comment in reply to his e-mail:

 

to Jaker27

 

I do resent your condescending generalizations, but you have quite a lot of company in the mainstream gay world. Men who are fed a constant marketing-driven diet of world class studs resulting in very restricted sexual tastes. Just don't fault us "fatties" when we mock and deride you in discussions as being a persnickety little primadonna bitch, and recommend against hiring you to our less full figured friends. Besides even if we were "HWP" our cock size might well be inadequate to meet your high standards. A snobby escort with attitude is best persuaded to take up another profession. Convey that to Greg as well, with my best wishes.

[+ glutes]

Wonder if Greg is related to Elizabeth...

 

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[Jaker27]

Hi Lee, thanks! It just speaks to the maturity and professionalism of the escorts. Even the non-pros I see have a wonderful professional attitude, that's why I keep coming back to the same guys. I feel amply rewarded for my expenses, money well spent!

 

One of the main reason this forum exists, in my opinion, to help expose the scammers and unprofessional guys, and reward the quality men with as much business as possible.

 

I live in LA and I'm getting the feeling I've communicated with this dude Jaker before, good thing it fell through. My earlier [deleted] comment in reply to his e-mail:

 

I'm not an escort btw and no I'm pretty sure we havn't communicated before. However, I do have an opinion and although it's not always the most PC I at least try not to mince words and be just be honest.

 

Your right though it was a condescending generalization. I was speaking in generalizations though and not how I personally feel. I don't like the "restricted sexual tastes" either. That's just the way it is though. Personally, I've been with a couple guys that would be considered overweight and they were allot of fun. I myself look for someone a little rough around the edges with some maturity.

[orbital sander]

I'm not an escort btw and no I'm pretty sure we havn't communicated before. However, I do have an opinion and although it's not always the most PC I at least try not to mince words and be just be honest.

 

Your right though it was a condescending generalization. I was speaking in generalizations though and not how I personally feel. I don't like the "restricted sexual tastes" either. That's just the way it is though. Personally, I've been with a couple guys that would be considered overweight and they were allot of fun. I myself look for someone a little rough around the edges with some maturity.

 

Hmmm.. You ever think about becoming a politician?

[bostonman]

I'm not an escort btw and no I'm pretty sure we havn't communicated before. However, I do have an opinion and although it's not always the most PC I at least try not to mince words and be just be honest.

 

Your right though it was a condescending generalization. I was speaking in generalizations though and not how I personally feel. I don't like the "restricted sexual tastes" either. That's just the way it is though. Personally, I've been with a couple guys that would be considered overweight and they were allot of fun. I myself look for someone a little rough around the edges with some maturity.

 

Thank you for your comments, Jaker27. I don't want to make a big deal out of this, but I do kinda get the feeling that you're trying to save face at this point, after you realize that many of us didn't like or accept your original comments. I'll never know for sure, so I prefer to not start a whole argument about whether you meant what you said or not, and just leave it. I would, however, just say that in the future you really should proofread your comments before you post them and make sure you say what you mean and mean what you say, so that there can be no doubts about what you meant and what might get misconstrued. And I'll leave it at that. ;-)

[Jaker27]

Thank you for your comments, Jaker27. I don't want to make a big deal out of this, but I do kinda get the feeling that you're trying to save face at this point, after you realize that many of us didn't like or accept your original comments. I'll never know for sure, so I prefer to not start a whole argument about whether you meant what you said or not, and just leave it. I would, however, just say that in the future you really should proofread your comments before you post them and make sure you say what you mean and mean what you say, so that there can be no doubts about what you meant and what might get misconstrued. And I'll leave it at that. ;-)

 

Your absolutly right. I'm backtracking for sure. Something I rarely if ever do btw. I didn't realize my statements would cause such a stir and I feel for some of the posters here because I have friends that are overweight and know how they feel. I was just thinking about them too. Plus, this is just an argument I don't want to be on the wrong side of. My sincere apologies.

[bostonman]

Your absolutly right. I'm backtracking for sure. Something I rarely if ever do btw. I didn't realize my statements would cause such a stir and I feel for some of the posters here because I have friends that are overweight and know how they feel. I was just thinking about them too. Plus, this is just an argument I don't want to be on the wrong side of. My sincere apologies.[/Quote]

 

Ah yes, the "some of my best friends are {insert ethnicity or adjective}" plea. Hmmm...

 

I do hope you have a foot fetish, my friend, because your foot is firmly inserted in your mouth...;-)

[Jaker27]

Ah yes, the "some of my best friends are {insert ethnicity or adjective}" plea. Hmmm...

 

I do hope you have a foot fetish, my friend, because your foot is firmly inserted in your mouth...;-)

 

Wow. Your reading way too much into this Bostonman. I wrote down some opinions and apologised for some inappropriateness. Thanks for being such a sarkastic ass. I'm sure it scored you some good points though.

[Bart]

The most difficult thing about the forum is that we really do not know what each person's inflection, the look in their eyes or able to read their minds to find the intention of the written word. It is always one of the things I find amazing in people like Okie who are able to convey their thoughts with intention by the use of the correct word or phrase. I cannot tell you how many times I have written something in the forum only to have my thoughts and intentions taken 180 degrees the other way. Then for some reason the small hole I dug becomes a sink hole. That is why I have always felt best to limit my posts to each thread to two. If I have not been able to convey my intentions in two posts, I doubt a half-dozen will do much better.

 

With that I think we simply accept Jaker27's statement that he really meant no harm and really wishes to keep his toes in someone elses mouth other than his own. I have a hunch I know where he might have wanted to take that statement but lets let it pass quietly in the night.

 

By the way thank you to the moderators for allowing this conversation to take place regarding Mr. Smart's response. I believe the responders have kept to a specific issue and maintained a decorum appropriate for the subject.

 

And JT you are right on with the pointing out of Mr. Smart's unintended hilarious comment that he was justified to keep the $100 to put towards the upkeep of his body and manscaping.

[wayout]

That is why I have always felt best to limit my posts to each thread to two. If I have not been able to convey my intentions in two posts, I doubt a half-dozen will do much better.

 

I really like that approach and will adopt it for myself as well. Like everything, there are exceptions but as a general rule of thumb it is great.

 

By the way thank you to the moderators for allowing this conversation to take place regarding Mr. Smart's response. I believe the responders have kept to a specific issue and maintained a decorum appropriate for the subject.

 

I also add my thanks to the moderators.

[orbital sander]

Wow. Your reading way too much into this Bostonman. I wrote down some opinions and apologised for some inappropriateness. Thanks for being such a sarkastic ass. I'm sure it scored you some good points though.

 

Well, I agree with bostonman 100%...that foot just keeps going in deeper

 

Regards, another "Sarkastic ass"

[JT Brooklyn]

Wow. Your reading way too much into this Bostonman. I wrote down some opinions and apologised for some inappropriateness. Thanks for being such a sarkastic ass. I'm sure it scored you some good points though.

 

Damn SURE DID!

[Jaker27]

Well, I agree with bostonman 100%...that foot just keeps going in deeper

 

Regards, another "Sarkastic ass"

 

Some real unabashed malicious gloating going on. Must be a real burden to be so smug. Sorry if some feelings got hurt though.

[instudiocity]

add them to our "avoid at all costs" lists.

Wouldn't that be an "avoid at NO cost" list?

[instudiocity]

What we have here is a non-rebuttal response from Mr. Smart....too bad.

A non-rebuttal from a Butt!

[Guest IndyMedic2006]

He's not into chubby guys. So what. Kind of a strong response don't yah think.

 

This is Jakerz defending "the non-chubby" option

 

If your looking for someone that has no problem with is then look for people like leathermike that's out and out stated they have no problem with it. Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight.

 

More of Jakerz commenting on how escorts really aren't "into" there clients, atleast not the overweight clients

 

I do stand behind my statement that most people aren't into overweight though. All you have to do is search on manhunt and that probably would be the most common thing said. There their honest. Escorts can't afford to be honest though. If he says I'm not into fat guys. Well, first there goes a large chunk of business. Then it makes him look picky which is what's being discussed here. It's a touchy subject for sure.

 

The best you can do is practice proper communication. You ask and he says he's 260. Well, then you say sorry no-can-do.

 

So now Jakerz wasnt to make it all the clients fault for not pointing out all his flaws. Do we need to email the escort 24hr before a list of all flaws just in case Greg Smart of Jakerz wants to reject that client for being too thin, or has too much hair or not enough hair? Jakerz, dont you think it is a tad belittling to have to make sure all those things you are self conscious about are pointed out and highlighted before you even meet someone?

 

Yikes. I just read again my own statement. "Hate to say it but rarely do escorts or anyone for that matter get "into" it with someone that's overweight." I wish to take out the "anyone" part. That was a typo error and please accept my apologies. Of coarse there's some escorts and whatever else that can get into overweight people.

 

Also just made the point of my next comment though. You did exactly what your suppose to do and yes in that case you won't have any problem at all.

 

If you want to make a point don't exagerate. No one was saying anything at all about "hot clients only". I don't think any escort would or should expect that. However, I was talking about them being "into" it and not about how accomodating they could be. Being fat absolutely has to be communicated. I'm not sure in the case of the reviewer that it was. I think he just assumed too much based on the guys past reviews. As I said allot of people and even professionals can't get down with someone overweight. Doesn't make them bad or too picky. Just the way it is.

 

ACCOMMADATING?!?! Really? So does the Client Accommadate the escort when it comes time to pay for the time? And let me just say that I think your comment about "can't get down with someone overweight" is rude and obnoxious. Maybe Jakerz and Greg Smart should come out with a height/weight chart with measurements and so forth so a client can determine if they are acceptable or not.

 

I'm not an escort btw and no I'm pretty sure we havn't communicated before. However, I do have an opinion and although it's not always the most PC I at least try not to mince words and be just be honest.

 

Your right though it was a condescending generalization. I was speaking in generalizations though and not how I personally feel. I don't like the "restricted sexual tastes" either. That's just the way it is though. Personally, I've been with a couple guys that would be considered overweight and they were allot of fun. I myself look for someone a little rough around the edges with some maturity.

 

First of all if you walk like an escort and talk like an escort and act like an escort you probably are an escort... not that there is anything wrong with that. Some of my best friends are escorts. Second you apology is [bOLD]BULLSHIT[/bOLD] because as anyone can see you defended the "Anti-Fattie" campaign from the start of this thread and you are back peddling so you dont look like the vestigial penis that you are!

Wow. Your reading way too much into this Bostonman. I wrote down some opinions and apologised for some inappropriateness. Thanks for being such a sarkastic ass. I'm sure it scored you some good points though.

 

If your going to call names, maybe you should spell them correctly... Thre is no K in sarcastic!

[rossthebosssf]

I'm honored my thread got so many posts. I just have to say that when I was fat I actually got way more action then after I got back into shape. I used to go on Manhunt and have no problem finding guys of various ages and athletic builds knocking on my door. There's a huge community of guys into the bigger man. Strangely, after losing nearly 100lbs, countless hours at the gym and now looking pretty damn good IMHO, I rarely meet anyone. I'm fine with that as I never felt comfortable in that extra skin and I'm by far much healthier now. Just saying that I believe people with extra weight are in more demand than what you might think.

[Diverdan]

Ross,

Thanks for your comment. IMHO it seems that the old rule of HWP is still in vogue. I am a big guy, but at nearly 6'4, I carry my "extra" pounds very well according to friends, escorts and others. Other large attributes also probably help... LOL. But it is also true that one man's delight is another's turnoff, and isn't it wonderful that there are so many variations and so many different looks that turn people on? Variety is the spice of life, and even though someone does not turn my head, or I don't turn theirs, I say to each his own, and I am neither heartbroken or discouraged that all heads are not turned my way when I go out on the town. It only takes one or two to make everything fun, and I also find that I enjoy conversations with a large variety of guys in different settings and the end result of that conversation does not have to lead to a bedroom.

[+ Gar1eth]

I'm honored my thread got so many posts. I just have to say that when I was fat I actually got way more action then after I got back into shape. I used to go on Manhunt and have no problem finding guys of various ages and athletic builds knocking on my door. There's a huge community of guys into the bigger man. Strangely, after losing nearly 100lbs, countless hours at the gym and now looking pretty damn good IMHO, I rarely meet anyone. I'm fine with that as I never felt comfortable in that extra skin and I'm by far much healthier now. Just saying that I believe people with extra weight are in more demand than what you might think.

 

 

I always hear there are guys who like us "full-figured" men. And my answer is not by my experience-- and for the occasional person who might like me-- I'm not usually attracted to them-- but in actuality someone really liking my avoirdupois, comes along for me about as often as Hailey's Comet.

 

Gman

[bostonman]

I always hear there are guys who like us "full-figured" men. And my answer is not by my experience-- and for the occasional person who might like me-- I'm not usually attracted to them-- but in actuality someone really liking my avoirdupois, comes along for me about as often as Hailey's Comet.

 

Gman

 

Or even Halley's Comet, lol.

[Mikebiz]

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