STING OPERATIONS BY VICE... What they do not want you to know!

[JTtorretto]

In my experience of traveling /working, I have heard that Chicago and Vegas are two cities that have previously engaged in sting type operations to bust escorts. (This has not stopped me from working in these cities although I’ve tried to be more careful when there).

 

What other cities have male escorts been arrested?

[+ Keith30309]

In my experience of traveling /working, I have heard that Chicago and Vegas are two cities that have previously engaged in sting type operations to bust escorts. (This has not stopped me from working in these cities although I’ve tried to be more careful when there).

 

What other cities have male escorts been arrested?

I have it on good authority that this has occurred in Tampa.

[Walker1]

I am more nervous about hiring an escort in Chicago (I have not done it yet but really waiting for a young good looking escort travelling to Chicago) bcoz I read a lot of news regarding police sting operations. For me, NYC is a lot more safer when it comes to hiring male escorts, I think.

Chicago metro area-they bust clients too and release their photos in the news. It happened to someone I knew and nearly destroyed his life. I guess they have to fund their pensions and doughnuts.

I think they have John's day where they fill their coffers/meet their budgeting quotas-well make arrests.

[Bearofdistinction]

Part #3

 

Prostitution is only permitted in a couple of counties in Nevada in legal brothels with valid licenses. Workers over there have to go through a medical checkup every month to be able to operate there.

Solicitation of prostitution (that is the full legal term) in Las Vegas means offering or agreeing to engage in prostitution. Even if the exchange of sex for money never takes place, solicitation is just as illegal as the act of prostitution itself. That is why you do not have to pull out the money or the undercover officer does not have to show you the actual money to get arrested.

You don’t have to intend to trade money for sex in order to be found guilty of solicitation: Simply asking or accepting an offer to trade sex for a fee qualifies as breaking Nevada solicitation law. I have had many phone calls from clients when they told me what they want and asked for the fee. I said, I am not allowed to discuss the fee because you just told me a sexual act and if I charge for that then it is solicitation for prostitution. When the undercover officer really wants to make his/her quota, he simply tries a trick that worked on other escorts before: "And if I say yes or no, or I say a number and you say yes or no... would that be okay?" DO NOT AGREE TO THAT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!

Many solicitation arrests occur in Las Vegas on the strip, even if the "John - client" and the escorts are both legit. Undercover officers are on the strip 24/7 and if they witness any conversation that includes the money for sex thing, they make the arrest right on spot. Nowadays, technology allows solicitation to occur in many other ways too: They work over the phone, online and through newspaper ads.

 

Solicitation and Prostitution charges are only misdemeanors in Nevada. HOWEVER, it can carry a fine up to $1,000 and/or up to 6 months in jail. First time offenders with an attorney are hardly subject to any of these though. (Case gets dismissed with an attorney even if they have all the evidences against you). Judges prefer to order the Johns (customers) to complete a school /called "John school/ (can be physically at a school or on-line) and escorts are usually ordered to finish a very similar school that is called: AIDS awareness program. These schools are completely useless (based on my experience) as it is also just part of the deal to make more money out of you as you have to pay for "education" ... (Education... right)... Not lengthy at least, many people finish them in a day or two /online/. IT costs about $200. AIDS awareness is not useless and it is very important - do not get me wrong - but when you actually start reading the material, you soon realize that there are about only 8 pages that really cares about that topic (lists all the HIV and STDs and how you can get them and how they can be cured and what they can cause) BUT the rest of the approx. 50-60 pages are pure psychology... Now, even a very happy person - like me - can go crazy about reading depressing stories of suicides and how those people made the wrong choice in their lives and other crazy stories that all ended with dead people or people who ruined their own lives forever. If you are strong enough, a couple of days later you finish your online exam and forget about all this stupidity!

 

VICE arrests:

A numerous number of staged solicitation arrests in Nevada result from undercover sting operations at major casinos such as the Bellagio, Mandalay Bay and Encore, and even in downtown. ALTHOUGH: There are prime spots where VICE has their own "rented" rooms for stings where they can operate from any time at any day... That list is available to my escort friends in Las Vegas, I prefer not to publish them online.

 

Female undercover officers also pose as prostitutes in bars and even in nightclubs but rest assured, men do not do that (yet). Once you offer or agree to pay her money for sex, the officer arrest you under the NRS 201.354 code.

In terms of male officers,they go undercover as well but most of the time they are the "Johns-customers": They call escort services, go to strip clubs, check upon the massage parlors but their main operation field is CraigsList adult services. They call girls AND guys, also they post their own ads with pictures under the m4w, m4m section. They prefer to call girls mainly from the w4m section, but they post as well in the m4m, so NEVER EVER use CL for hiring or advertising.

These police prostitution stings are legal, but you can claim the "entrapment" in court if it’s clear the you were not predisposed to solicitation and that the cop’s actions went far according to you.

 

PROSECUTION:

Prosecutors must prove that you traded sex for money or that you offered or agreed to trade sex for money before you can be found guilty of solicitation or prostitution in Clark county.

Arresting officers rarely videotape (although I have to laugh when I see videos of escorts who say: Do you mind if you look around? ... Right... like you can find the spy cam, that is as big as a pin drop somewhere at the corner of the ceiling...) prosecutors rely on "circumstantial evidence" to try to prove guilt. These are usually the typical evidences to prove guilt:

 

Either when the prostitute has a client book, lot of cash, condoms or the customer has large amounts of cash and/or condoms. (It is not set what "large amount" is considered) OR if the arresting officer witnessed money or other things (such as drugs) changing hands or even a verbal agreement that was overheard.

OR if the arresting officer sees the escort and customer driving to an agreed location

 

Even suggestive gestures might be introduced as evidence of solicitation cases. However, they’re usually not enought to prove guilt unless there are more evidences that the arresting officer can come up with. Case studies show that in Clark county the quota is more important then really making sure whether the person did commit solicitation or not. County makes money, attorneys make money and cops get their quotas, everybody is happy... (YES, EXCEPT FOR YOU!)

The prosecutors have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you violated Nevada prostitution law. But many times the only evidence that the prosecution has that you solicited for prostitution is the police report. In Clark county vice love to use the recorded phone conversation where you agree to or solicit for prostitution. As soon as you arrive, you do not even have to say "Hi, my name is....", you are under arrest by showing up and them having the recorded phone conversation. If it was not recorded and no witnesses can back up the cop's story, a jury may be unwilling to convict. And since police have the capability to "wire" themselves, juries may be suspicious of cops who didn’t use any technology to document the solicitation.

Nevada attorneys usually get your case dismissed if that is your first offense. Other times they might help you to get it reduced to 2 types of convictions:

- Trespassing (and you will be banned or 86'd from that typical casino /Watch out if you are banned from the Bellagio you are also banned from the 10 other MGM Resorts as well).

- OR disorderly conduct ... (which can refer to a million things)

Both are misdemeanors...

 

The following probably does not effect male escorts and absolutely do not effect customers... But there is a VETO program that refers to (Vice Enforcement agains Top Offenders). They have the list of the TOP 100 offenders who got arrested for solicitation for many times... They randomly call them to capture them again. Practice shows that even top offenders hardly get jail time. I recently read about a woman who moved to Las Vegas in 2004 and since then she got arrested 169 times. Surprisingly, so far she only had to serve jail time 8 times, out of the 169 arrests. 85% of her arrests were dismissed.

 

GET IT OFF FROM YOUR RECORD:

Many attorneys also do record sealings and they usually charge anywhere in between $1,000-1,500 , however you can do it on your own but it might not be easy... There are restrictions but most arrests (regardless of the outcome at the court) can be sealed from your record, it depends on what the charge was and how long ago that was. A Nevada solicitation charge can be sealed after 1 year... BUT! Nevada law does NOT allow anybody to expunge (erase) it from your record, but you can get it sealed (the officer will see you had an arrest but will not see why and/or any other details... on the police computer screen it will simply say: Access denied). IF! You seal your record for solicitation (takes 2-5 months), then if you get arrested and charged with the same thing the JUDGE can reopen your sealed record and can make a decision whether to impose a bigger fine/punishment or not. So if you got arrested, get it sealed and get arrested for the same thing, the judge will know about it! California law, however DOES allow expungements, so if you were charged over there you have a good chance to get it completely erased from your record. These cases can mean harm to you in case you have to watch your immigration status. If you get convicted in any of those however is an inadmissible offense, and you have to face with deportation.

 

If you have any questions I would be more than happy to answer and thanks for reading! PLEASE! When contacting an escort over the phone DO NOT DISCUSS anything sexual, just money for his time... Therefore 1.) If the escort you call is an undercover officer you will not get arrested, 2.) The escort never knows whether you are a legit customer or an undercover officer ,so let's just make this whole procedure a lot more pleasurable AND SAFE for both parties!

 

END OF ALL PARTS!

 

Thanks ---- YEA H I wanna LAWYER NOW

[Bearofdistinction]

I have it on good authority that this has occurred in Tampa.

 

Other than the Paella at Columbia in Ybor City --- Tampa Sucks

[+ jeezopete]

I have it on good authority that this has occurred in Tampa.

The first escort I ever hired in Tampa was very uncomfortable when he arrived in my hotel room and kept asking for reassurance that I wasn't a cop. He eventually explained that he had been previously arrested.

 

Other than the Paella at Columbia in Ybor City --- Tampa Sucks

Ahhhh, going there on Valentine's Day with my best friend. She's been there before, I haven't. A coworker told me the other day that the paella is excellent.

[+ jeezopete]

Sorry, off on a short tangent here. Bear0fdistinction, you should try www.ulele.com/

It's owned by the Columbia Restaurant group. One of my favorites in Tampa & it's right on the Riverwalk, which is great for a stroll after dinner.

[craigville beach]

Sorry, off on a short tangent here. Bear0fdistinction, you should try www.ulele.com/

It's owned by the Columbia Restaurant group. One of my favorites in Tampa & it's right on the Riverwalk, which is great for a stroll after dinner.

 

their menu looks good

[+ ODIN51]

In my experience of traveling /working, I have heard that Chicago and Vegas are two cities that have previously engaged in sting type operations to bust escorts. (This has not stopped me from working in these cities although I’ve tried to be more careful when there).

 

What other cities have male escorts been arrested?

 

Chicago metro area-they bust clients too and release their photos in the news. It happened to someone I knew and nearly destroyed his life. I guess they have to fund their pensions and doughnuts.

I think they have John's day where they fill their coffers/meet their budgeting quotas-well make arrests.

 

That's what I'm scared of. Like I said, hiring an Escort in NYC seems to be a lot safer than hiring one in Chicago

[TruthBTold]

That's what I'm scared of. Like I said, hiring an Escort in NYC seems to be a lot safer than hiring one in Chicago

 

The only thing to feel somewhat safe (or at least safer than you might otherwise think) is that the City has been publicized as a hotbed of violence so many of the resources of the department have been delegated to that area of the police department rather than places like Vice. I am not saying that there are not still arrests but the public has been made to feel afraid of things like being shot by immigrants so there hasn't been an outcry to go after prostitution in general (except for things like child prostitution, etc.)

[+ ODIN51]

The only thing to feel somewhat safe (or at least safer than you might otherwise think) is that the City has been publicized as a hotbed of violence so many of the resources of the department have been delegated to that area of the police department rather than places like Vice. I am not saying that there are not still arrests but the public has been made to feel afraid of things like being shot by immigrants so there hasn't been an outcry to go after prostitution in general (except for things like child prostitution, etc.)

 

May I ask if you are talking about NYC? or Chicago? As we know Chicago has more incidents of violence (shootings, particularly) compared to NYC. So sad to say that especially Chicago is my hometown .

[TruthBTold]

I'm sorry. I was talking about Chicago. While the number of shootings have gone down from the high, politics gets into everything. When Mr. Trump painted the town as returning to the 20's Chicago's mayor believed that he needed to do something that would make the citizens believe that the violence was being confronted. That meant more MONEY (new police, guns, arrests) toward the violence numbers. Chicago, as you probably know, has budget problems and the money obviously has to come from somewhere. Massive (in the eyes of the citizens) taxes have already been imposed in the last couple of years so those funds must be pulled from existing pools of money.

[+ ODIN51]

I'm sorry. I was talking about Chicago. While the number of shootings have gone down from the high, politics gets into everything. When Mr. Trump painted the town as returning to the 20's Chicago's mayor believed that he needed to do something that would make the citizens believe that the violence was being confronted. That meant more MONEY (new police, guns, arrests) toward the violence numbers. Chicago, as you probably know, has budget problems and the money obviously has to come from somewhere. Massive (in the eyes of the citizens) taxes have already been imposed in the last couple of years so those funds must be pulled from existing pools of money.

 

I totally agree.