Decent vacation rate?

[LoveMidwest]

I have seen an escort for a while. He is a great young guy. I really enjoy time with him.

We traveled for 4 days in March. We agreed on $2,000 for the trip first and he wanted to change that to $2,500. Then I agreed with the change.

We are going to Europe for a week, and I asked him how much it would be.. But he said we were very close friends so he did not want to tell me and he wanted me to tell him....

I have hired many escorts before ,but he was a first person who I want to travel with.

I know the rates are various, but just want to know a decent price......

How much do you think it is decent?

[KMEM]

Based upon previous agreements (changed or otherwise), if it is a 7 day week it should be 4375 or less, unless he is one of those who charge MORE for volume, which seems to be in vogue in some quarters.

 

What is said on the MB should have very little to do with what is a private negotiation between you two and one that should be completely settled before you go; before you buy any tickets would be even better.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[JoeyBryant]

Unless he's just shy (as in, unsure whether you'll say its too much) about asking for such a large amount...Its usually not considered good form to say to a client, "how much you'll give me?" or anything similar.

 

As the above stated, it'd be best to work out an agreement between the 2 of you. Obviously he hasn't done his part to research the going rates for a week vacation, so he sounds a bit clueless to be asking you, and then you having to ask here.

 

But once you 2 come up with an agreement, thats whats really important.

[LoveMidwest]

Thank you for ythe opinions.

 

The guy is much younger than me and so he may not be good at treating clients like me.

I will tell him the price based on previous rate and see what will be going on....

 

I bet he has some clients other than me, but he still says that I am his close friend and I am a part of his life...... I am okay to hear that, but I know I am not.... I like him a lot, but I just want him to be honest. He could've asked me what he had wanted.....

[JoeyBryant]

The guy is much younger than me and so he may not be good at treating clients like me.

I will tell him the price based on previous rate and see what will be going on....

 

I bet he has some clients other than me, but he still says that I am his close friend and I am a part of his life...... I am okay to hear that, but I know I am not.... I like him a lot, but I just want him to be honest. He could've asked me what he had wanted.....

 

Well being that y'all spent 4 days together, Im sure there's a friendship thing going on and technically you are part of his life.

 

I wouldn't see it as a deal breaker. Sometimes in the beginning, we're unsure of the going rates...its perfectly fine to help him out with that.

 

As with the change of rate from $2,000 to $2,500, was it you who initially named the price or was it him who quoted the price 1st?

[imrthr]

 

I have seen an escort for a while. He is a great young guy. I really enjoy time with him.

We traveled for 4 days in March. We agreed on $2,000 for the trip first and he wanted to change that to $2,500. Then I agreed with the change.

 

You both initially agreed on $2,000.00 then he later asked for $500.00 more! That shows signs of a person who is not honest or at best is greedy.

 

 

 

We are going to Europe for a week, and I asked him how much it would be.. But he said we were very close friends so he did not want to tell me and he wanted me to tell him....

 

 

You wrote that your escort regards your relationship as “very close friends.” At the same time, your escort agreed that $2,000.00 was his fee to be with you for four days. Then you wrote that your escort later reneged on the agreement and asked for $500.00 more.

 

Now you are offering to take this same escort to Europe for one week and you do not know what a fair rate would be to pay the escort.

 

Firstly, if an escort pulled a stunt like asking me for an extra $500.00, I would not be taking the escort anywhere.

 

Secondly, you said the escort is a young guy. Most young guys would be happy to get a free, all expense-paid trip to Europe. If you paid the escort $2,000.00 (the original amount for your previous reneged agreement), the escort would be more than fairly compensated. Please observe that $2,000.00 weekly - annualized is more than $100,000.00.

 

Thirdly, if the escort asks for more money by saying that $2,000.00 is inadequate, you are dealing with an unappreciative person. If that kind of attitude does not bother you, any advice out here will not help you decide what to pay the escort.

 

Frankly, I could not travel one day, much less one week with a person whose word does not mean anything.

 

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[JoeyBryant]

You both initially agreed on $2,000.00 then he later asked for $500.00 more! That shows signs of a person who is not honest or at best is greedy.

 

LOL, hold on...I wanted to get to that part 1st. Lets not get ahead of ourselves

 

Reason why I asked who intially said $2,000 is because if escort quoted $2,000 and then increased it...then yes, thats being greedy and many clients would have (painfully) backed out. But if the client intially offered $2,000, then perhaps escort had decided later that his time of 4 days was worth a bit more.

 

Thats why I mentioned escort needs to set a rate. Because by the looks of it, he may pull a similar stunt. Last thing you want is to say 4,500 and then he says 5,000 later on. This also does not sound like the client asked for a different service to warrant a fee increase.

 

Again, it doesn't mean escort is a scam artist. Its just that there needs to be a firmer agreement, as in no changing up after the deal...And I would highly recommend that Midwest asks (once more) the escort what rate he would be comfortable with. See what his response is.

[instudiocity]

You could always do as Rekers did and put the agreement in a written contract. And Rekers only paid $75/day for that 1 hour "Long Stroke" and luggage handling so pay accordingly.

 

On second thought, I had a similar relationship with a young escort. We did a week in Napa Valley together. I insisted he have personal time each day and paid all expenses including two gift cases of wine for him. When we returned he said, "you've done so much, how about we cut my rate to $500/day?" I insisted he accept the agreed upon rate of $750/day. His response was to reset his evening rate for me for future appointments to his one hour rate.

 

It's worked out very well. Honor your guy and if he's a good man, he'll honor you. Oh, yeah and we've drunk almost all our wine.

[LoveMidwest]

Well being that y'all spent 4 days together, Im sure there's a friendship thing going on and technically you are part of his life.

 

I wouldn't see it as a deal breaker. Sometimes in the beginning, we're unsure of the going rates...its perfectly fine to help him out with that.

 

As with the change of rate from $2,000 to $2,500, was it you who initially named the price or was it him who quoted the price 1st?

 

He quoted the price first. Then we agreed mutually and I booked all up including air-flights. I really do not think he is greedy, but I think it is a bit unfair to change the rate after all is set.

He is business-like when we are not in bed. I do not know there is a big friendship between us.

I just offered $1,000 more than last one. Will see what will happen.

I guess I do not have to pay anything other than travel expense as long as we are close friends.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Lovemidwest

[adriano46]

Careful, Careful

 

You are asking something that has often been discussed here - and with the same range of responses.

 

Whenever one goes from hiring a local guy for an hour or two (or more) to something more exotic that includes travel, we begin a slippery slope.

 

Some escorts are so clueless, they think their hourly, daily, weekend etc... rates go 100% on a longer trip (I say clueless as they seem to overlook all the extras that are thrown in: travel, hotel, gym and/or spa treatments, meals, entertainment, gifts) that most clients I know automatically throw in with any traveling. I am leery of any escort who does not change the rate to one more favorable to the client after all this is out on the table.

 

If an escort suddenly changes (upwards) a rate for travel, I now have learned from BAD experiences to CANCEL immediately.

 

More recently I have taken guys traveling for a day or two (no onger do it for more than that)... been overly generous again, and treated somewhat badly by petulant escorts who seem to whine until they get even more. So, I now refuse to throw out enormous rates to a guy. Better (for my wallet and for my sleep) to hire locally wherever I go, for a few hours, and save money and get some sleep!

 

At least you seem to infer here that you KNOW it is a business arrangement -- be careful when the age difference is a lot as it sours soon enough when he finds someone else.

[Juan Vancouver]

Traveling...

 

Hey man,

 

This is a subject that I am very familiar with, so I am posting this in the hope that my perspective may be helpful. Seventy percent of my income comes from traveling with clients, so I have thought a lot about it and have heard all sorts of stories from my clients.

 

You ask: "How much do you think it is decent?", and the only answer here is "It depends". Only your escort can come up wit a price that he thinks is adequate for his services, and only you can come up with a price that you think right and that you are willing to pay hoping that you will receive the benefits you are wanting. If the escort's price and yours coincide, then you are in a position to have a transaction, otherwise it is best if both move on and keep looking for someone that is a better match.

 

The problem here, as I see it, is that he has said that you are very good friends and has put the responsibility of pricing in your hands. It is virtually impossible for you to come up with a fair and impartial suggestion, as is manifest in your suggesting an extra thousand. (The fair suggestion for seven days based on your previous trip, I agree with KMEM, would be $4375. )

 

Since the boundaries have been blurred and there is the illusion of a close friendship you say:

 

"I guess I do not have to pay anything other than travel expense as long as we are close friends."

 

But I am sure that even you know that this is not so. What I recommend you to do is take a step back and remember that this is a transaction with a professional service provider with whom you may have a nice bond of appreciation and friendship. But this is not a friend. Whether he charges more or less than you want to pay this has nothing to do with you personally. If he is refusing to give you a fee, try to set one fairly and if you agree with him on something, make it clear that this agreement is final. Don't let the 'friendship" component allow you to do things you don't want to do.

 

On a different subject, I was taken aback by two responses by our fellow posters:

 

"You said the escort is a young guy. Most young guys would be happy to get a free, all expense-paid trip to Europe. If you paid the escort $2,000.00 (the original amount for your previous reneged agreement), the escort would be more than fairly compensated."

 

and

 

"Some escorts are so clueless, they think their hourly, daily, weekend etc... rates go 100% on a longer trip (I say clueless as they seem to overlook all the extras that are thrown in: travel, hotel, gym and/or spa treatments, meals, entertainment, gifts) that most clients I know automatically throw in with any traveling."

 

Sometimes it would seem as if this is not a site devoted to discuss professional escorts, but glorified cabana boys with benefits, whisked away for a week-long, dazzling escapade into a world of luxury and mind boggling international travel.

 

If what you are looking for is a young, cute boy who will be blown away by a free trip, who will be wanting to have his own holiday, who will be tolerating you because you are the purse, who will be whining and bored whenever you want to do the things you want to do, and may -or may no- put out, then sure, offer a trip and hope for the best.

 

If however, you are looking for an experienced travel companion, knowledgeable, who speaks other languages, who will keep you thrilled and entertained, who will make YOU the whole focus of his attention, who has already had a holiday so he can relax and remember that this is YOUR holiday, who will keep you on your toes with sexual excitement, who knows how to behave in different situations and who will not come later with the excuse that you are "friends" so that he needs your help or borrow money from you, then you can hire a professional, experienced, traveling escort.

 

This is the difference between "most young guys" and a "professional traveling escort".

 

These are two entirely different kind of experiences, and they fit into two different budgets altogether. Not one is better than the other, but you cannot have both simultaneously.

 

The best traveling escorts, however, will give you the professional approach, while at the same time giving you the feeling that they are in it just for the fun of being with you. And for the best escorts, this is not an act, they will be having the time of their lives.

 

An escort doesn't need to think about the price of the airfare, the hotel room, the entertainment, the food, the extras. This is YOUR trip, not his. This is YOUR holiday, he just had his own on his own terms. All those things are bought by you for your enjoyment and for making your trip unforgettable. His fee has to be calculated by him taking in consideration his normal influx of business and the money that he would be making if he weren't traveling with you. If you want to have caviar and champagne that has absolutely no impact on his rate.

 

Whether his annual income is bigger or smaller than yours, whether the minimum wage is ten or thousand times smaller than his rate, whether a cute hungarian guy would be thrilled with one fifth of his rate plus a piece of candy, that has absolutely no importance at all.

 

His rate is clear (in the best of cases), and he may accept some negotiation. But whether he does or not, that's it.

 

Your budget is clear and in some instances you may accept to pay a bit more than you wanted, but there is nothing right or wrong about it.

 

If you both agree, hopefully you will have a great experience. If not, you will find someone else who agrees.

 

When you start using words as adequate, fair, greedy, wrong, right, decent, friends, then you are getting yourself into murkier territory.

 

Things are as they are: some professional escorts offer a tailored service with a history of satisfied customers, some kids just want to travel... and there is everything else in between. There is a perfect customer for every escort and there is a perfect man for every customer. The secret lies in learning to choose what you want and going for it.

 

I hope that you will have an amazing and fulfilling experience!

 

Always hard and warm,

 

Juan

 

+30 694 268 9904

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/review.php?who=juan_vancouver*

[JoeyBryant]

Sometimes it would seem as if this is not a site devoted to discuss professional escorts, but glorified cabana boys with benefits, whisked away for a week-long, dazzling escapade into a world of luxury and mind boggling international travel.

 

say it right...

[Guest Spanky]

Hey man,

 

This is a subject that I am very familiar with, so I am posting this in the hope that my perspective may be helpful. Seventy percent of my income comes from traveling with clients, so I have thought a lot about it and have heard all sorts of stories from my clients.

 

 

Is it just me, or does everyone else want to take Juan on a vacation after reading his post?

[imrthr]

 

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Sometimes it would seem as if this is not a site devoted to discuss professional escorts, but glorified cabana boys with benefits, whisked away for a week-long, dazzling escapade into a world of luxury and mind boggling international travel.

 

Of course this site exists for us to discuss professional escorts. It is, however, also a site where members can ask other member for advice or comments.

 

 

 

If however, you are looking for an experienced travel companion, knowledgeable, who speaks other languages, who will keep you thrilled and entertained, who will make YOU the whole focus of his attention, who has already had a holiday so he can relax and remember that this is YOUR holiday, who will keep you on your toes with sexual excitement, who knows how to behave in different situations and who will not come later with the excuse that you are "friends" so that he needs your help or borrow money from you, then you can hire a professional, experienced, traveling escort.

 

 

I don't believe that the original poster is looking for an escort that speaks other languages. The original poster merely stated some facts then asked for an opinion.

 

The original poster already stated that the escort in question asked for additional money after the two had agreed on a price for travel during a previous four-day venture. The fact the escort asked for more money (after they had agreed on an amount) indicates that there really is no "friendship" as the escort professed to the original poster.

 

I also don't believe that the original poster wrote that he is looking for a "professional" traveling companion. He merely said he likes the young guy and wants to take him to Europe for one week. And, he wants opinions about how much he should offer the escort to travel for the week.

[KMEM]

imrthr-

 

...And your opinion of the amount is....? Everyone has an opinion, what is yours?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[imrthr]

 

imrthr-

 

...And your opinion of the amount is....? Everyone has an opinion, what is yours?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

 

I stated my opinion at post # 6 preceding this page.

 

My opinion is influenced by the fact the escort increased his fee after he had previously agree to a lesser amount.

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

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[+ purplekow]

I have never hired an escort for a vacation. I made one attempt and I learned a valuable lesson. I was headed to a top of the line exclusive resort in Belize where I intended to scuba dive and do some spelunking and river rafting. The accommodations were a three bedroom condo at the resort and the escort would have his own room and private time. I was willing to pay for all his activities and all his meals, even if we did not eat together. I was not requiring him to attend any activities with me but he was welcome to join me on any that interested him.

For this, I contacted an escort who I had hired before and who I have hired again after this. I asked him how much it would be and he quoted me a price that was just about what I was paying for the vacation. I was taken aback.

At first, I thought, gee, if I were given this opportunity to go on this vacation for free, I would jump at it. Then the lightbulb went on. As Juan points out, even with all this freedom, this is still not his vacation. This is not necessarily his idea of a great time. Most importantly, he is not my friend, he is someone I like and who probably likes me enough to spend 10 days with me, but he is not my friend. He is not my lover, unless I pay him to be. So, with my mind illuminated by that lightbulb, I asked a friend to go with me. It was not sexy. I did not get laid. I did have a great time with a friend. Not the fantasy vacation and definitely a reality check.

Reality check: Without the check there is only reality no fantasy.

[imrthr]

 

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For this, I contacted an escort who I had hired before and who I have hired again after this. I asked him how much it would be and he quoted me a price that was just about what I was paying for the vacation. I was taken aback.

 

At first, I thought, gee, if I were given this opportunity to go on this vacation for free, I would jump at it. Then the light bulb went on. As Juan points out, even with all this freedom, this is still not his vacation. This is not necessarily his idea of a great time. Most importantly, he is not my friend, he is someone I like and who probably likes me enough to spend 10 days with me, but he is not my friend. He is not my lover, unless I pay him to be.

 

 

 

What a thoughtful and pragmatic assessment of the situation.

 

I am pleased that you and Juan wrote what you both wrote. I never thought of the situation quite like you two presented it. It is certainly another way to look at the circumstances affecting the two principals (the client and the escort).

 

Nonetheless, in the original posters queries, he stated that the escort said the two were friends. That changes the situation somewhat.

 

Like I initially wrote, given that the escort markedly increased his fee on a previous get-together with the client (after first agreeing to a lesser fee), I would not take the escort on any extended trip.

 

It seems Rudyard Kipling had the right idea when he wrote "Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."

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[KMEM]

Of course this site exists for us to discuss professional escorts. It is, however, also a site where members can ask other member for advice or comments.

 

 

 

 

I don't believe that the original poster is looking for an escort that speaks other languages. The original poster merely stated some facts then asked for an opinion.

 

The original poster already stated that the escort in question asked for additional money after the two had agreed on a price for travel during a previous four-day venture. The fact the escort asked for more money (after they had agreed on an amount) indicates that there really is no "friendship" as the escort professed to the original poster.

 

I also don't believe that the original poster wrote that he is looking for a "professional" traveling companion. He merely said he likes the young guy and wants to take him to Europe for one week. And, he wants opinions about how much he should offer the escort to travel for the week.

 

Sorry. When I read #14 it seemed so different from any previous that I did not look back at #6. After I did look back, it still seemed very different.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[imrthr]

 

Sorry. When I read #14 it seemed so different from any previous that I did not look back at #6. After I did look back, it still seemed very different.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

 

I do not understand what you mean here.

 

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[Juan Vancouver]

I also don't believe that the original poster wrote that he is looking for a "professional" traveling companion. He merely said he likes the young guy and wants to take him to Europe for one week. And, he wants opinions about how much he should offer the escort to travel for the week.

 

You are right in that. In first third of my response I am responding to the original post. After that, however, I am mostly sharing my opinion about what other posters said in their responses about the subject. I am sorry if this is not entirely clear.

 

The exciting thing about this message center is that we all have an opinion and in this place we are all invited to share it. I believe that this makes the whole world of escorting richer, clearer and safer in many ways. Even if we are all looking for different types of experiences, in the end we all want the same thing; we want to be fulfilled, feel respected, have a good time and feel that we are investing our energy and effort where it will pay off. Whether we are clients or escorts, whether we want a 5 star luxury experience or a budget but exciting trip, coming here and learning what tickles other people's fancies will make our own experiences richer.

 

The trick is to know what we want and know where to look for it.

 

Safe and fun journey to you all!

 

Always hard and warm,

 

Juan

[KMEM]

I do not understand what you mean here.

 

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Just a small point. The two posts seemed to be so different in content and thought I did not think you had already posted for which I say, my mistake.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Diverdan]

Thanks Juan

 

Thanks for such a thorough response, Juan. You expressed my sentiments exactly. I have had a few vacation experiences. The first was fantastic and the second was a disaster. In reflecting on the second, it was a disaster because of our lack of communication before we started. I had one set of expectations and plans and my companion had another. On another vaction, I went with a good friend who was also a f... buddy. We had a fantastic time scuba diving, swimming, eating out, hanging out and even managed to pick up a third for a couple of days of fun. Again, our expectations of each other and what we were planning for the trip were openly and frankly discussed before the trip began. He could not have gone with me without some financial help for the trip, but it was so worth it, and we are still friends with benefits, even though we live far apart. It is so good when we get together.

 

So, Love, I hope what ever you decide to do will work out for you. You have gotten a lot of good advise here, and I just wish I had seen this before I had that disaster on trip two. As a couple of others have said, I no longer go on long vacations with a companion, but I do have hopes to do a cruise with a companion in the near future. However, I do plan to have some involved conversations ahead of time. Good luck with your decision.

[LoveMidwest]

Thank you for everything!

 

He just agreed with $3,500.

It was a bit awkward to negotiate the price for a trip though.

[Lookin]

It seems Rudyard Kipling had the right idea when he wrote "Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet."

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Kipling, huh? All this time I thought it was Dinah Shore.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Dinah_Shore_in_Till_the_Clouds_Roll_By_cropped.jpg

 

East is east and west is west

And the wrong one I have chose

Let's go where they keep on wearin'

Those frills and flowers and buttons and bows

Rings and things and buttons and bows.

 

Well, the important thing is the OP and the escort have reached an accord and East meets West after all. Or Midwest, rather.

 

Congrats LoveMidwest, and have a wonderful time!