Bareback escorts?

[Guest DrBeaverboy]

There are definitely men out there who strongly prefer bareback sex and seek it out. Many of them are HIV+... or if they're HIV- they seem to accept the much greater risk of HIV infection that comes with the bareback territory. (A few even seek out infection so they don't have to continue worrying about when/if they'll end up getting infected.)

 

Do you guys know of any escorts who regularly bareback with clients?

 

I know that generally the escort community is all about safer sex, but I thought that perhaps there are escorts out there where maybe the fact that they will do bareback makes them special/different? Maybe that is already how they approach their sex life, outside of work?

[doitb4ugo]

There are definitely men out there who strongly prefer bareback sex and seek it out. Many of them are HIV+... or if they're HIV- they seem to accept the much greater risk of HIV infection that comes with the bareback territory. (A few even seek out infection so they don't have to continue worrying about when/if they'll end up getting infected.)

 

Do you guys know of any escorts who regularly bareback with clients?

 

I know that generally the escort community is all about safer sex, but I thought that perhaps there are escorts out there where maybe the fact that they will do bareback makes them special/different? Maybe that is already how they approach their sex life, outside of work?

 

 

hey, Drbeaverboy, you bring up a "brave" topic. While for most, I believe safer sex is the standard, I have noticed a fair number of escort ads which suggest that safe is not always the case. I personnally think this is irresponsible. It certainy is self-destructive behavior. I also believe that where there is a market, there will be a product to meet it.

 

With your recent postings as evidence, I am sure you are no novice to controversial topics, I would recommend (tongue in cheek) that you make sure your bracelets are on securely..(The Amazons produced their bracelets from a magically indestructible metal called Amazonium, found only on Paradise Island. The Amazonium bracelets were useful, as magically indestructible gauntlets they could use to deflect bullets, energy weapons, and all manner of attack.)

 

Thanks for your post..I look forward to some lively discussion on this thread.

[+ sniper]

I'm sure there are some who do, if they are already HIV+ and the client is too. I would think they wouldn't advertise that though, you would need to ask them yourself.

 

But from what I see of my friends with HIV, I just can't understand the people who are indifferent to getting infected.

[josephga]

hey, Drbeaverboy, you bring up a "brave" topic. While for most, I believe safer sex is the standard, I have noticed a fair number of escort ads which suggest that safe is not always the case. I personnally think this is irresponsible. It certainy is self-destructive behavior. I also believe that where there is a market, there will be a product to meet it.

 

With your recent postings as evidence, I am sure you are no novice to controversial topics, I would recommend (tongue in cheek) that you make sure your bracelets are on securely..(The Amazons produced their bracelets from a magically indestructible metal called Amazonium, found only on Paradise Island. The Amazonium bracelets were useful, as magically indestructible gauntlets they could use to deflect bullets, energy weapons, and all manner of attack.)

 

Thanks for your post..I look forward to some lively discussion on this thread.

 

 

 

I agree irresponsible & self-destructive behavior.

[adriano46]

Seems quite easy in a way to fid out... for those into this... (which I am not).

 

Tell-tale signs are escorts who advertise as being party friendly (into drugs) often enough, and more those who honestly say up front on "safe sex" OCCASIONALLY or NEVER. (most say, OCCASIONALLY, and let the client fill in the blanks.)

 

What I often find disconcerting with my Central European acquaintances who do porn films and also escort is that MOST of not more of them have at least one or a few BB movies under their belt, although they are very strict in advertising that they NEVER do it with a client. Somehow they think doing it once or twice in a porn film with a guy they know seems to make it alright.

 

European escorts seem more oblivious to the problems of AIDS which is why I always make sure that in a meeting, I have sufficient lube and condoms readily available - no excuses.

[KMEM]

Notice how luck, drugs, lust, self-destructive behavior, self denial and many other forms of mental and physical abuse run throughout thoughts about BB? Abuse it is and taking chances with acquiring or worsening your previous infection are rampant.

 

But, who am I to judge? Do whatever you think best, just be prepared to live, or not, with the consequences.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[josephga]

IMO the safest bet is to assume everyone could be hiv +. Just because someone says always safe in a ad doesn't mean they aren't fucking their lover of 20 years back home with protection. Iv seen comments in post about not hiring a guy who does bb porn. Every precautions you take with that type you should be talking with everyone. who says those not doing bb porn are any safer.

[Guest Spanky]

There are definitely men out there who strongly prefer bareback sex and seek it out. Many of them are HIV+... or if they're HIV- they seem to accept the much greater risk of HIV infection that comes with the bareback territory. (A few even seek out infection so they don't have to continue worrying about when/if they'll end up getting infected.)

 

Do you guys know of any escorts who regularly bareback with clients?

 

 

I have a few HIV+ friends (including one very close one) and after seeing them struggle with it, I'll never understand why an HIV- negative person would willingly have unsafe sex with anyone, but especially with an escort, as escorts face a significantly increased risk of exposure to STDs. And I'm not implying that escorts are unsafe - in fact, quite the opposite. The escorts I've hired have been scrupulous about practicing safe sex. But due to the very high number of partners that escorts have, they are naturally more at risk. That said, I think that consenting adults will do as they will, and while I don't understand it, it's not really my business to judge it, at least in the abstract.

 

But moving from the abstract to the specific....this does raise a related question about barebacking escorts which I think is appropriate for this group. If a client knows definitively that an escort is lying about his STD/HIV status (e.g., the escort told the client), should the client indicate that in a review or here on the message boards? I'm sure it would be very detrimental to the escort's business, but if I knew an escort (or even a non-escort that posts here for that matter) was lying about his HIV status and was endangering others, I would absolutely feel obligated to note it here and in a review. I really wouldn't give a shit whether the escort hated and harassed me as a result.

 

Bear in mind that this is a conceptual question - I don't know of any such case. Most of the escorts I've met have been honest and up front about everything and like I said, every guy I've ever hired has been meticulous about safety. But just as with any group of people, there are always a few bad apples out there.

[josephga]

my best friend dated a guy for 9 years that was hiv + and he didn't have a clue until the final year of the guys life. The guy had it prior to them meeting and lied the whole first 8 years. they used condoms the first year then stopped shortly after that because my friend thought he was in a committed closed relationship. Once he found out the truth he went out got tested and lived 3 more years of hell getting tested wondering if it would ever turn up positive. It never did. I know another guy that was a virgin when he met his first bf and he contracted aids from that bf they too stopped using condoms after the first year.. Iv heard lots of other story's like this over the years of guys lying. These types of story's scared the hell out of me. Not only do i require condoms for anal sex I will not have sex with someone without seeing a recent aids test. know a few other that do this as well requiring to see a persons paper work. I feel everyone's responsible for their own health and well being

[seattlebottom]

I always bring up the subject as to whether the escort supplies his own condoms or whether I should provide them. In the 8+ years that I've been hiring I've only had 2 escorts tell me that they don't use condoms. One even told me he was safe because he was only a top, I explained to him that there are other diseases besides AIDS one could contract through barebacking and he hung up on me.

 

I believe that a reviewer did once mention the fact that the escort he was with admitted to being HIV+ after they had had sex. It was discussed here in the forums at that time, I think I even commented on it.

[Guest Merlin]

On Rentboy.com, there are some who say "sometimes safe", which I take to be a code that they do bareback and, I assume, are positive. A very few say "never safe", and a few who state that they are positive. Some leave the question unanswered, which may indicate that they will bareback.Some say they they have few limits or are open to anything, which I take to be another code for barebacking.

I would never intentionally have sex with a person I know or strongly suspect to be positive. Even with "safer sex" accidents do happen, and avoiding sex with positive guys is another element of safer sex.

[+ Lucky]

My guess is that positive guys are all better off for merlin's choice.

[+ Axiom2001]

Although I am an avid fan of "safer sex" practices and seek out escorts who purport to do the same-- I've seen ads at http://www.rentboy.com where "bareback" is listed amongst the escort's interest. I have shied away completely, for I've had too many friends to have died from having had full blown AIDS. Also, the "cocktails" that the guys take are "toxic."

 

I, too, find it utterly ridiculous for a person to become infected with the HIV virus intentionally in order to "fit in" so to speak.

[Guest ryan2552]

DrBeaverBoy

 

There is nothing wrong with fantasy but to risk your health or other people's health by Barebacking is stupid. I cannot think of a nice way way to put it.

 

If you want fantasy here are plenty of Bareback videos, http://tinyurl.com/yz8ery6 Grab some lube or whatever and enjoy.

[instudiocity]

IMO the safest bet is to assume everyone could be hiv +.

 

Yup, that's the Best assumption.

[instudiocity]

If a client knows definitively that an escort is lying about his STD/HIV status (e.g., the escort told the client), should the client indicate that in a review or here on the message boards? I'm sure it would be very detrimental to the escort's business, but if I knew an escort (or even a non-escort that posts here for that matter) was lying about his HIV status and was endangering others, I would absolutely feel obligated to note it here and in a review. I really wouldn't give a shit whether the escort hated and harassed me as a result..

 

There are other far less slanderous or libelous ways to communicate your dissatisfaction with an escort than reporting his hearsay confession of HIV status.

 

I'd stay FAR AWAY from discussing anyone's medical conditions.

[seaboy4hire]

DrBeaverBoy

 

There is nothing wrong with fantasy but to risk your health or other people's health by Barebacking is stupid. I cannot think of a nice way way to put it.

 

If you want fantasy here are plenty of Bareback videos, http://tinyurl.com/yz8ery6 Grab some lube or whatever and enjoy.

 

Now is that really discouraging barebacking and standing up for something that you are not for by buying products that endorses it.

[Guest DrBeaverboy]

Just for the record, I am HIV- and intend to stay that way through safer sex practices.

Now that is really discouraging barebacking and standing up for something that you are not for by buying products that endorses it.

 

Seaboy4hire... You bring up an interesting point here -- the question of: are you still against barebacking if you're buying bareback porn?

 

There's a whole 'nother discussion that can be had on this... There has been a lot of discussion on this idea related to the International Mr. Leather contest (HUGE event), because the owner of the event has mandated that bareback porn can no longer be sold at the vendor fair because it endangers the actors and it encourages those who buy the porn to bareback in their own sex lives...

 

Does it encourage that kind of activity? Well, I'm not sure. I personally enjoy some porn that includes things I would never actually do in real life... but most if it is written/drawn, and so I don't have the dilemma of if the actors are actually in danger. I don't feel like watching/reading that porn necessarily makes me more likely to actually go through with doing those things in real life.

 

I think there's undue pressure sometimes for actors to do bareback porn as opposed to covered -- because sometimes the pay is much higher. At this point I think we're getting into the coercion realm because the actors may make different risk management decisions than they normally would, because of the pay. I think that's a bad thing.

[JackTwist]

I feel everyone's responsible for their own health and well being.

 

Well said, Josephga. We must each take control of our sexual and overall health. If you can take a preventative step to ensure your safety then why not do it? Why not spare yourself the pain and worry of any STD? Why would you want to subject yourself to medication and worry about your health if you contract HIV, even if there are treatments that help you live longer? If everyone thought seriously before they acted sexually, we could all contribute to a lower rate of STD and HIV contractions, plain and simple.

[CowboyUp]

People bareback because it’s taboo and immensely risky. Risk is always enticing to a certain portion of society. Sometimes the risk-takers get hurt: skydiving, wheeling and dealing on Wall Street on the cusp of an economic meltdown, frat-boy hazing games, Russian-roulette, etc. Unfortunately, the allure of risky behavior is part of human nature. You can try to “hit them up-side the head” with prevention information, but don’t expect much from “high risk-taking” personalities--their genes aren’t coding common-sense. Better to understand that barebacking will occur, and to minimize the risks to the broader society as best as possible.

[Guest Tristan]

Not only do i require condoms for anal sex I will not have sex with someone without seeing a recent aids test. know a few other that do this as well requiring to see a persons paper work. I feel everyone's responsible for their own health and well being

 

Joseph, I agree with you, except for one important point.

 

I think seeing a recent HIV test gives a false sense of security. A person could have tested negative two weeks before you see him, but had unprotected sex since the test. That means he could be infected. Or, he could have had unprotected sex right before the test, got infected, and it was too soon to show up. It doesn't matter what date is on the Neg test results. That piece of paper showing negative test results proves nothing.

 

Lots of guys on sex/dating sites state in their Profiles, "Tested negative as of ...". This is meaningless. They could still be infected for the same reasons.

 

If a person had proof of a negative test, had no sex for three months before the test, or since the test, only then could he be considered safe. Obviously, nobody is going to meet these criteria. Nor would there be any way to prove it. So forget the proof of a negative test.

 

The only sensible thing to do is to assume that everyone is POZ.

[josephga]

Joseph, I agree with you, except for one important point.

 

I think seeing a recent HIV test gives a false sense of security. A person could have tested negative two weeks before you see him, but had unprotected sex since the test. That means he could be infected. Or, he could have had unprotected sex right before the test, got infected, and it was too soon to show up. It doesn't matter what date is on the Neg test results. That piece of paper showing negative test results proves nothing.

 

Lots of guys on sex/dating sites state in their Profiles, "Tested negative as of ...". This is meaningless. They could still be infected for the same reasons.

 

If a person had proof of a negative test, had no sex for three months before the test, or since the test, only then could he be considered safe. Obviously, nobody is going to meet these criteria. Nor would there be any way to prove it. So forget the proof of a negative test.

 

The only sensible thing to do is to assume that everyone is POZ.

 

I still use condoms regardless. i just like the hiv test as extra security. i had cancer in 03 and now ms. i fell like maybe condoms as well as the test too gives me that extra security blanket.

[seaboy4hire]

I still use condoms regardless. i just like the hiv test as extra security. i had cancer in 03 and now ms. i fell like maybe condoms as well as the test too gives me that extra security blanket.

 

That is a pretty flimsy security blanket.

[seaboy4hire]

Just for the record, I am HIV- and intend to stay that way through safer sex practices.

 

 

Seaboy4hire... You bring up an interesting point here -- the question of: are you still against barebacking if you're buying bareback porn?

 

There's a whole 'nother discussion that can be had on this... There has been a lot of discussion on this idea related to the International Mr. Leather contest (HUGE event), because the owner of the event has mandated that bareback porn can no longer be sold at the vendor fair because it endangers the actors and it encourages those who buy the porn to bareback in their own sex lives...

 

Does it encourage that kind of activity? Well, I'm not sure. I personally enjoy some porn that includes things I would never actually do in real life... but most if it is written/drawn, and so I don't have the dilemma of if the actors are actually in danger. I don't feel like watching/reading that porn necessarily makes me more likely to actually go through with doing those things in real life.

 

I think there's undue pressure sometimes for actors to do bareback porn as opposed to covered -- because sometimes the pay is much higher. At this point I think we're getting into the coercion realm because the actors may make different risk management decisions than they normally would, because of the pay. I think that's a bad thing.

 

Thank you for trying to answer my question that was put out there while the others obviously over looked and chose not to answer.

[jimboivyo]

Lots of guys, both from porn and not, who are working unsafe and have the disease. There's never an excuse for not disclosing your health status upfront. Even with a condom on, we're still playing with fire. Condoms break and slip frequently. If you're in the sex business, you need to get tested on a monthly basis.

 

Yeah, there was a review up about an escort who AFTER the meeting told his client about his true status. Guy named Athan (LA). Class act that one.