Male Escort=Male prostitution?

[+ Tygerscent]

okay...

 

Hey Sexy... well... the one part of Wiki I liked was that they stated more research needs to be done... I like that because it is potentially quite true. The Male Escort business has grown significanty in the past 20 years and given the internet and reviews sites and things... it's gone far beyond Selma St. hustlers~

What part did you disagree with on wiki, (just curious).

I consider myself a Male Geisha, (Native American style in an American society... but more traditionally following in my own culture in ways I will hope to define in following paragraph).

In my traditional culture I would be considered a "Holyman" and not Escort, hustler, ***** etc... In the traditional way, (all of the male individuals on my Mom's side and a few on my birth Fathers side), I am what has been passed on to me from my Family and tradition and strive "hard", (partial pun intended~) to become all I can there.

The proper word for my being would be, "Heyoka"/Wičháša Wakȟáŋ, which approxiamates in English, "Holy man", (not "Medicine man" and specifically not "shaman" {a term of Siberian origin that means witch/sorcerer}, and is sexual indiscriminately and interacts with both males and females on full life scope levels for both pleasure/counsel and healing.

The other traditional component passed on to me, as lived out by my proceeding male Family members is a Lakota medicine man known as pȟežúta wičháša, or Thunder Dreamer.

Wikipedia has info on that... for the most part accurate...

Before getting into this profession. I studied up on Escorting a bit from an historical point of view... finding that the original Geisha were male... they were counsels, inttimate partners, artisans, scholars in effect. After the government replacing the female Kabuki actresses, (who were predominantly prostitutes and attracted/encouraged unruly male crowds), with males, the unemployed females went Geisha and upped the bar~

While skilled and experienced in all sorts of sexual expression and interplay, I also find "Clients", (People), finding value of myself, ability and capacities to provide/extend my medical knowledge, personal counsel on all kinds of levels, companionship, business presence in front of business partners and Family sense in front of their Families and more.

It's beyond the sexual encounter... So much more in depth then that.

I am certainly sexual and skilled on a good portion of those fields but also skilled in emotional, psychological, Spiritual, medical, business, Family, social issues as well and utilize those "also" skills with relative and significant frequency.

I am Male Geisha~

While I have had amazing sexual experiences shared, I have had incredibly important diolog/sharing/partnership/commaradary with many Clients regarding: conflicting political stance and actual personal need, aging, lymphoma, parkinsons, prostate cancer, diabetes, erectile dysfuntion, vision loss, bad Escorts Clients have hired, douching techniques and general body and penile health, violence domestic and public, married men and women, Client parents and children who have passed on, Clients in the process of dying, Clients who are searching for themselves, Intimacy issues, instruction with how to please another man/woman, instruct "escorts" on how to be better Escorts and what Escorting means, lots of out of the bedroom email exchange time discussing these things objectively and with intension to finding resolve/growth/advancement. More... on going and comples but also important and eccentially...all about who and what we are as Humanbeings.

We explore, adverture and discover what that is all about and how to preceed within our Humanity.

I address all kinds of peaple, both male and female, and strive to understand the desires and needs of any given situation and SHARE together with my Client(s), in achieving whatever that is... not simply "provide" a service... If that makes sense~

So, I tend to dismiss, politely and respectfully and without judgement there, my own self definition as a hustler, *****, prostitute, street walker, sex worker, industry worker etc...

Those terms really do not cover the scope of situations and depth of Intimate relation I have with "Clients".

I completely embrace my "Profession"/calling in life and think of it not only as a profession but my lifestyle... something I actually Live/share/give back as best possible~ (if that makes sense).

 

[email protected] (EMAIL works BEST~!)

Cell is 503.747.8269 (but really... email works best~)

my other cell, (checked less often), is 503.719.9274

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[email protected] (EMAIL works BEST~!)

Cell is 503.747.8269 (but really... email works best~)

my other cell, (checked less often), is 503.719.9274

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[Guest TBinCHI]

Tyger,

Having met you, what you are saying does make sense. Your post is a great response to the original question and I enjoyed reading it. I eagerly anticipate your trip to Chicago! ;-)

[GoodFella69]

Ditto...

 

Hey Tiger: I concur with your thoughtful and poignant response. Thanks for taking time to share it so thoroughly and eloquently. It's clear why your clients enjoy your company so much.

Best wishes,

Goodfella

[noahboy]

male escort=male prostitution

 

Daddy clearly states, Finances are for time only, I assume that is a disclaimer. If anyone would do some digging OMG an advertisement of nude picture male aspects of yourself. A reply as to what happened in your encounter that you felt this person was a good person to hire. ummm

I definitely want to make a point which is in I think under guidelines. That their is a difference between the 2. An escort will join you for an evening of perhaps dinner or a play, then it is pretty ovious from reviews they have agreed on what will happen in bed. Mostly vanilla or for those who desire more . I guess so. A prostitute will walk the streets and just perform an sexual act for $$. I guess I have an opinion that may matter i hope Someone will respond. Either escort or client. I have no desire to put a thousand buks a night into some 20 yr olds pocket to walk around with me in vegas or NYC. I can get any of my young gay friends who are gorgeous to do that. But my friends and I are not in a situation to satisfy my "male needs" Which brings me to the point. I have had 3 bad experiences with seeing a review. sounds like energetic sexually person. We exchanged e mails. Yes dinner and show and then bed are you ok with this or that. Then it was hello dinner, and something, but the word umm no lets go shopping when I wake up. um ok. Then clearly a hint from me, I'm feeling passionate and you said. A response of I don't feel like it. In e mails it was pretty much spelled out. You ie several have mentioned it is a job. I own a company, my would is my word. If a man does not have that he has nothing. So after being taken a couple times. It is like in the tough times in my city 4 other companies do what I do have closed down. Un able to provide a product of quality or just to much competition. I may be only one man but I quit, others will follow in the future years. And from what I can see from the list, lots to choose from. On several sites and when you get older or retire, Just plenty of "homo boys" to replace you. I do use that term not to be mean, but it will be a strong point, since I 'am gay. You can get more job security by doing a good job. Does anyone have ideas on my thoughts or suggestions. I can tell you i had one good experience, he totally was fun we shopped and retired for a very romantic evening both nights. The way to do it. But taken off market. Dang just when I found one. fun, common, and skilled.

comments ?

[Guest Merlin]

Josephga, there is probably a difference in clientel between escorts and massage therapists. A married guy may be more likely to hire for "massage" for cover. If the wife or others find out he can claim it was just massage. Politicians call it "plausible deniability."

Gays, I believe, are more likely to go to an escort for sex without the massage.

[Guest antoanvegas]

I feeling so happy

 

Guys I am so happy that made that post. In fact seems this topic is interesting for most of you.

Thanks for all your opinion. I don't think about me as a prostitute. I like sense conversations, good manner. Actually I can't tell you exactly what is in my mind because of my English.

So thank you

[Guest OCBeachbody]

Well I always defined Escorts as such, you pay for a well groomed individual for their time. Like Tygerscent put it well in cultural terms, a escort is supposed to be like a Geisha.

 

Sex is should never be part of that equation, if something does happen then it happens of the clock because of mutual attraction. Myself I admit I have called a couple of male escorts in the past, mostly because I was lonely and in a big city all by myself. I hate going to a nice restaurant and eating alone, and the thought of just finding some random guy from a chat room is not safe or fun.

Plus for there first couple of years of traveling those male escorts have helped get to know the various cities.

 

As for male prostitutes..... you pay to have sex with them. An escort by experience is not a prostitutes, and they are clearly different.

[Epigonos]

Good god OCBeachbody you and I are definitely NOT on the same page, in fact I don’t think we are even using the same book. I have been hiring escorts now for nearly eight years. I always arrange that we get together for either lunch or dinner. After our get acquainted meal together we return to his place or mine and have SEX. It is totally inconceivable to me that I would pay an “escort” five to six hundred dollars simply for the pleasure of his company for approximately three hours. Frankly I have friends that I can share a meal with without having to pay them to do so. A couple of my regular “escorts” I have indeed shared a meal with “off the clock” and in those cases no sex was involved. If, for a minute, you think all the “escorts” who list themselves on rentboy and men4rent are selling only their time and don’t expect to have sex with their clients you are kidding yourself. The distinction you make between prostitutes and escorts does I venture exist more in your mind than in the mind of the vast, Vast, VAST majority of the rest of us.

[+ Lucky]

Epigonos, I am sure that Wikipedia will allow you to edit Daddy's piece on escorts!

[Guest Merlin]

For the record, prostitution is a legal term, having sex for money. You can invent you own meaning for some words, but if you receive money for sex, it will still be prostitution.

As I said above, however, it is rude and unkind word, which I would never use with an escort-- which is a euphemism, i.e. a nice sounding word in place of an ugly one, but meaning much the same thing.

[Epigonos]

Merlin2 I agree with you completely. Unfortunately there are people in this world who derive please from demeaning others. I am also perfectly aware that there are guys who hire escorts expressly for purpose of feeling superior. Frankly I don’t get it but I know it is true. I simply don’t understand how someone who hires guys for sexual pleasure can possibly feel superior to them. I cannot overstate the amount of respect I have for really outstanding escorts. These guys have given me countless hours of incredible pleasure both across a dinner table and between the sheets. The fact that they provide men my age and men who are not in the best physical shape with memorable sexual experiences is in my book truly admirable.

 

I also agree with Romann when he says: “Call me what you like but it's all semantics at this point.” An escort I see, on a regular basis, frequently refers to himself, when we are together alone, by terms Daddy would not approve of or even allow. I respond in kind when referring to myself. Now we know each other extremely well and the whole scene has become something of an insiders joke. We are simply poking fun of what the general society would and does think of us. We BOTH know exactly who and what we are and are completely secure in that knowledge.

[jimboivyo]

IMO: Not semantics in the least. I've seen a decent share of guys in my time and only a few are what I would consider true escorts.

 

It takes a wealth of knowledge, worldliness, intelligence and for lack of a better term, concierge skills, to truly be escort material. These are guys who charge quite a bit, but can get it because they know they're at the top of what they do. Escorts are NOT guys who offer the repeat hourly.

[AdamSmith]

Escorts are NOT guys who offer the repeat hourly.

 

Have a care. Some of my best friends offer the repeat hourly.

 

It takes a wealth of knowledge, worldliness, intelligence and for lack of a better term, concierge skills, to truly be escort material. These are guys who charge quite a bit, but can get it because they know they're at the top of what they do.

 

One line of thinking, or at least of rhetoric, has it that you are describing the subset of the escort population sometimes called courtesan.

 

It is all a continuum, no? Ranging from street trade, who might often be called "hustler" but seldom "escort," to a spectrum of providers whom most of us here seem to call "escort" regardless of whether the provider's business consists mainly of hourlies, overnights, extended visits, or a mix.

 

My point early in this thread was that, yes, making these distinctions can be meaningful, and conceivably helpful to newcomers trying to understand the scene. But the credibility of these discussions goes to zero if we insist too literally on that mantra that "more often than not" clients are looking just for social time, not sex as well.

[Guest Jonas]

Has anyone actually thought whether maybe some escorts are enjoying and thus desiring the company of what one would call a client? This can't apply to a first date obviously but the factor should be explored when it is about regular occasions.

 

There are people who despite their good looks, age, whatever, actually prefer personalities over humping. The financial interest becomes less important, those who are able do take advantage, those who can't do it for free.

[Epigonos]

Jonas you make an excellent point. A really outstanding escort, I know well, is always stating that he has a wonderful life: 1.) He has developed a clientele he considers bright and enjoyable, 2.) He gets to travel all over the world with them, 3.) He loves sex and has a near constant supply, and 4.) Best of all he gets paid.

 

The thing that never ceases to amaze me about the really GREAT escorts is their ability to find something attractive in all of us. They are able to overlook our ages and physical failings and concentrate on some positive physical or mental quality about each of us. I am totally convinced that the truly GREAT escorts all love and enjoy what they do. If they didn’t it would show and they wouldn’t be GREAT.

[KMEM]

Jonas you make an excellent point. A really outstanding escort, I know well, is always stating that he has a wonderful life: 1.) He has developed a clientele he considers bright and enjoyable, 2.) He gets to travel all over the world with them, 3.) He loves sex and has a near constant supply, and 4.) Best of all he gets paid.

 

The thing that never ceases to amaze me about the really GREAT escorts is their ability to find something attractive in all of us. They are able to overlook our ages and physical failings and concentrate on some positive physical or mental quality about each of us. I am totally convinced that the truly GREAT escorts all love and enjoy what they do. If they didn’t it would show and they wouldn’t be GREAT.

 

That description fits my favorite escort and probably everyone else's also.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[Guest DrBeaverboy]

I agree that it's mostly semantics... but the semantics can be important, legally speaking.

 

I once had a lawyer tell me: "You're completely right: It's completely legal to sell time, and it's completely illegal to sell sex."

 

So, even though you may be having sex with clients at every appointment, and even though you may get arrested/harrassed on the grounds of prostitution, it is unlikely that you will be actually be convicted of prostitution unless it can be proven that you negotiated sexual contact in exchange for money. Knowing your rights and having a good lawyer will help with this, of course.

 

This is my understanding anyway. So... "Sex for money" = illegal, "Time for money" = legal... even if it's understood that you will have sex during that time.

 

Semantics? Sure. But it seems like it's semantics that can keep you out of jail/fines/convictions.

 

 

That's the primary reason I don't want to use "prostitute" to describe myself. Legal semantics. Perhaps like Rod_Hagen said, 10 years down the road I may not give a shit what you call me.

 

 

However, I think there's also some truth in what everybody else has been saying -- that there is a difference between a "prostitute" and an "escort," in the quality of the time you spend with them. But I suppose you could still call that just semantics.

 

The thing that never ceases to amaze me about the really GREAT escorts is their ability to find something attractive in all of us. They are able to overlook our ages and physical failings and concentrate on some positive physical or mental quality about each of us. I am totally convinced that the truly GREAT escorts all love and enjoy what they do. If they didn’t it would show and they wouldn’t be GREAT.

 

This is the reason why I feel that it is completely true to say that I sell time and not sex. I'm not going to have sex with someone I don't want to; and it helps that I've always been kind of a 'slut.' I really enjoy sex and connecting with people on that level. I'm already going to screen clients to make sure they're sincere and not assholes, and if they've got that part down and we're spending intimate time together... I will probably want to have sex with them. But if I were working a 9-5 job, then I would never have the time to meet clients and provide that connection... hence, they pay for my time and I can spend that time making their life more fun instead of working at a more "normal" job.

[AdamSmith]

That description fits my favorite escort and probably everyone else's also.

 

It fits mine.

[AdamSmith]

I agree that it's mostly semantics... but the semantics can be important, legally speaking.

 

I, almost certainly others here too, value & appreciate the later things you said in your post.

 

Point here is that the semantics as they present themselves in a sex worker's ad have one set -- OK, two sets -- of objectives: One is to try to establish legal plausible deniability for the provider. The other is to attract clients.

 

But somewhat distinct from that, seems to me, is this effort by clients to document a narrative of what we seek, and why, and in what admixture. If we accede to the other-side-of-the-street, plausible-deniability constructions put together to evade legal culpability, then we dishonor the truth of the situation.

 

Which is, uncontestably, that we seek to pay money to obtain sex. BUT very often embedded in the context of social situations and, in the best of times, interpersonal relations. Which, once begun, can deepen into genuine human connectedness that escapes the boundaries of the contractual.

[KMEM]

Here is what I do. Here is what I charge. You want to be friendly, also. Later.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[AdamSmith]

Here is what I do. Here is what I charge. You want to be friendly, also. Later.

 

In sum.

 

An admirable trait, never to have been paid by the word.

[Guest Jonas]

So it is clear that the "favorite escort" would still date the kind of people even if there was no way to get paid. Just like an ex food critic would still eat out; if the restaurants would have him of course

 

As to the main topic, the 2 terms are totally different because they describe different levels. I am a prostitute and an escort. A prostitute because I accept money for plain sex. Escorting is an additional service beyond sex and describes the time when I am not supplying some carnal pleasure and still getting paid. There are people who are only booked for sex and so they are be no means escorts.

 

If I had to substitute 'prostitute' for legal reasons, I'd advise my lawyer to use 'time seller', since 'escorting' includes prostitution 80% of the time. Besides, why is the legal term relevant anyway? I could legally be a father and still lack any role in the actual conceiving. This wouldn't make me a father outside of court.

[KMEM]

In sum.

 

An admirable trait, never to have been paid by the word.

 

If I were to be paid by the word, I would be wealthy. Alas.

 

Best regards,

KMEM