Should There Be Rip-Off Alerts in the Message Center?

[William]

Daddy manages this website, and we are subject to his rules. Earlier today, Daddy closed a thread that I initiated, alerting (unnamed city) visitors and residents to an untrustworthy person. Daddy's reason for closing the thread was that this kind of exchange belongs in the Reviews.

 

I have submitted a Review (received a confirmation) and urge Daddy to post it as soon as possible, so that DC persons can have the benefit of my warning; the provider in question is only in (unnamed city) for the week, apparently.

 

 

On a broader note, I urge Daddy to allow posts alerting people to visiting escorts who posters believe to be "trouble", based upon their own experience. Reasons why Daddy ought to allow such posts, perhaps subject to some restrictive rules (or maybe the creation of a new Forum or of a "fast track" review forum):

 

1. Many more escorts are traveling from city to city. Some of them have established reputations; most do not. There needs to be an early warning system to protect residents of those cities.

 

2. Many of the Deli threads already contain evaluations, some of them harsh, of escorts, who of course have the freedom to respond.

 

3. The mini-controversy generated by my Review of the guy visiting (a city I shall not name) this week was actually quite interesting! Much more interesting than most of the threads in the Deli (especially the "411 Jack Bauer" type threads, including the boring ones I initiated). There were fireworks galore---and readers could judge for themselves whether the escort was being truthful. Really, we need more of this on this website.

 

Any one else support this idea?

[josephga]

The thing is a large number of those who hire never visit the message center of this site. so any early warnings most likely would go unnoticed. A well known escort told me once that only 2% of his clients are from this message board participation. Allot of people go to reviews and never venture into this area of the site

[MiamiLooker]

The thing is a large number of those who hire never visit the message center of this site. so any early warnings most likely would go unnoticed. A well known escort told me once that only 2% of his clients are from this message board participation. Allot of people go to reviews and never venture into this area of the site

 

 

One reason might be because the message center is not promoted. There's the link ("Forum") on the review home page, but probably most visitors to the site don't even notice it. It seems like a lost opportunity for possibly increasing traffic to the site.

[JT Brooklyn]

The thing is a large number of those who hire never visit the message center of this site. so any early warnings most likely would go unnoticed. A well known escort told me once that only 2% of his clients are from this message board participation. Allot of people go to reviews and never venture into this area of the site

 

Exactly! Any comments Good Bad or Indifferent are not read by the "General" Client Population! Unfortunate... BUT that's the way it is!

 

Then again.. I don't think I would want to go thru "Endless Threads" IF the participation was very High around here!

 

I have all I can do to keep up with some of the NOW DRAMA!

[whipped guy]

What's the big deal!!!

 

The thing is a large number of those who hire never visit the message center of this site. so any early warnings most likely would go unnoticed. A well known escort told me once that only 2% of his clients are from this message board participation. Allot of people go to reviews and never venture into this area of the site

 

If only 2 percent read what's posted here what's the big deal!!! The more warnings the better and if we are the "elite 2 or whatever percent" then we deserve to be notified of any problems that are brewing out there. Shoot! I started posting in this forum after lurking for a while because of such a warning... Now if such postings are suppressed that reduces this forum to idle dripple... and frankly that's what most of it consists of... yes it is entertaining, but when we are spending big bucks the more information allowed the better. If just one ripoff is halted from such a posting it is more than worthwhile... Just my 2 cents form a 2 percenter...

[KMEM]

I wonder how many escorts even read their own reviews, never mind constantly peruse the MB? One would think their egos would prevail and they would look but it is easy for me to suppose they mainly read their reviews if someone alerts them about a negative aspect. That, of course, on this site, does give them the opportunity to respond and, if they wish, take advantage of the last word provision.

 

It might be slightly less likely that they would be alerted to unfavorable comments on the MB and there is no "last word" provision on it except as provided individually by Daddy or a moderator. First, THEY have to notice it and then do something. That took all day today or longer in the case of the unmentioned city escort.

 

While I would like to know ASAP of any client's bad experience, but I have to defer to the rules and hope for a PM if it might affect me.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[+ deej]

If only 2 percent read what's posted here what's the big deal!!! The more warnings the better and if we are the "elite 2 or whatever percent" then we deserve to be notified of any problems that are brewing out there. Shoot! I started posting in this forum after lurking for a while because of such a warning... Now if such postings are suppressed that reduces this forum to idle dripple... and frankly that's what most of it consists of... yes it is entertaining, but when we are spending big bucks the more information allowed the better. If just one ripoff is halted from such a posting it is more than worthwhile... Just my 2 cents form a 2 percenter...

 

It's a slippery slope.

 

Reviews are vetted making it more difficult for stalkers to trash an escort without backing up their claims. Posts in the MC are not and we have a LONG, LONG HISTORY of bullshit artists, stalkers, and others who live to stir up trouble for the objects of their affliction. Some guys do it just because that's how they get their jollies.

 

To some it's a game, to the escorts it's their income.

 

Imagine not hiring an escort because of a post here and learning a year or more later that the post was completely bogus. (This has happened.) Imagine the damage to an escort's reputation based on a completely unsubstantiated post that may linger in the minds of readers long after the hoax is exposed or, worse, somebody misses the post exposing the hoax and continues to perpetuate it.

 

The rules around here may at times seem quixotic, but they've evolved over time based on real-life situations involving real-live people. Management is not deaf to your suggestions, but there are scars from a lot of years of experience.

[Mark Gordon]

Unnamed City

 

I have submitted a Review (received a confirmation) and urge Daddy to post it as soon as possible, so that DC persons can have the benefit of my warning; the provider in question is only in (unnamed city) for the week, apparently.

 

The city is named. I'm presuming this was an oversight?

[Guy Fawkes]

Daddy manages this website, and we are subject to his rules. Earlier today, Daddy closed a thread that I initiated, alerting (unnamed city) visitors and residents to an untrustworthy person. Daddy's reason for closing the thread was that this kind of exchange belongs in the Reviews.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth, I said: "This thread is an example of why we do reviews on the Website and not on the Message Center."

 

Daddy owns both websites and keeps them at arms length on purpose.

 

Your thread illustrated why we have the "No Reviews" policy in the Message Center. Violating that policy attempts to bypass the normal check and balances of the review process that is there to protect all parties.

 

Daddy votes "No", motion fails...

[Mark Gordon]

Unnamed City 2

 

His post was about an escort visiting DC: no harm there.

 

Well, I wasn't saying that specifying DC in this thread was appropriate or inappropriate, just pointing out that it seemed strange to call it an "unnamed city" twice and "a city I shall not name" once, while at the same time giving it away...

[Kevin Slater]

I agree with Deej. Also, in my mind the main thrust of this endeavor is the main review site; the forum is just a nice adjunct. There seems to be occasional difficulty in posting reviews (whether through user error or procedural issues) and if reviews were allowed into the forum, I fear for the greater good of the main site if folk decide to simply kvetch here and not go through the effort to post a regular review. An apparent 98% of the market would go unwarned. (My anecdotal experience suggests that even that 2% figure is inflated; whatever the percentage it tends to be a more highly sophisticated slice of the market and perhaps less in need of warnings.) But more to the point, allowing reviews (alerts, notices, call them what you will) here leads to endless back-and-forth ugliness which the moderators don't need to get in the middle of.

 

I think we are all very fortunate for the effort Daddy & Co donate into running this site and forum. If it were ours maybe we would each change a thing or two. But challenging their better judgment to advocate a larger headache for them strikes me as ungrateful. The review site offers a vehicle through which reviews are vetted, replies are possible, debate is closed, and the result publicized. Works for me.

 

Kevin Slater

[Guest greatness]

I concur

 

I concur with Daddy's statement. William I am sorry that your experience with an escort was not pleasant. Thank you for intention to warn us. Good escorts will thrive and some will surely have a good retirement. However, unprofessional escorts will surely pay their price so don't worry too much. Many experienced clients know how to deal with escorts. If it happens to inexperienced clients then they will be more careful and do more research next time. Everybody runs into bad apples once in a while. For the escort concerned I have read his rebuttal so I guess there was some kind of a misunderstanding? I hope you guys can work things out.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth, I said: "This thread is an example of why we do reviews on the Website and not on the Message Center."

 

Daddy owns both websites and keeps them at arms length on purpose.

 

Your thread illustrated why we have the "No Reviews" policy in the Message Center. Violating that policy attempts to bypass the normal check and balances of the review process that is there to protect all parties.

 

Daddy votes "No", motion fails...

[Guy Fawkes]

His post was about an escort visiting DC: no harm there.

 

I read the "offending" thread and saw that 2 or 3 posters chimed in and thanked the original poster, saying they were glad to be warned...so some good came of it in the event it was an unbiased assessment.

 

Deej, thanks for a considerate, reasoned and responsible post in this thread responding to the reasons behind the removal of the original post. Too bad that doesn't happen consistently.

 

I should point out that actions tend to happen as a result of alerts. At one point we were watching two contestants have a knock down, drag out fight in the one of the forums. There were no alerts, so like the rest of you, we simply enjoyed the show.

[Guest RyanCade]

Thank You for your comments, My name is Ryan and this happens to be a case where

 

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However I want to know how I am supposed to deal with this...

 

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It's a slippery slope.

 

Reviews are vetted making it more difficult for stalkers to trash an escort without backing up their claims. Posts in the MC are not and we have a LONG, LONG HISTORY of bullshit artists, stalkers, and others who live to stir up trouble for the objects of their affliction. Some guys do it just because that's how they get their jollies.

 

To some it's a game, to the escorts it's their income.

 

Imagine not hiring an escort because of a post here and learning a year or more later that the post was completely bogus. (This has happened.) Imagine the damage to an escort's reputation based on a completely unsubstantiated post that may linger in the minds of readers long after the hoax is exposed or, worse, somebody misses the post exposing the hoax and continues to perpetuate it.

 

The rules around here may at times seem quixotic, but they've evolved over time based on real-life situations involving real-live people. Management is not deaf to your suggestions, but there are scars from a lot of years of experience.

[BewareofNick]

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I am familiar with Ryan as we have some of the same mutual acquaintances here in the ATL. I have yet to hear anything bad about him locally.

 

As Daddy point out, people have many motives for what they post and the MC has none of the checks and balances that the review process does. In the past, back in the OLD OLD days, I investigated escorts and posted findings good and bad here, BUT it was usually after there had been some sort of pattern of behavior had been established (such as Anthony Holloway).

 

Ryan will either establish a good rep for himself or a bad one through the review process and it won't take that long to see which end is up, so to speak. For now though, I think Ryan is owed the benefit of the doubt.

[+ David-SF]

you've got mail

 

You guys are killing me tonight

 

Ryan please check your private messages here in the MC

 

David

[+ deej]

Thank You for your comments, My name is Ryan and this happens to be a case where

 

Well, you don't get to do the same thing he did.

 

However I want to know how I am supposed to deal with this...

 

Click the ALERT link on any offending message. Do not wade into the swamp.

 

The founder of this site was fond of saying "Do not wrestle with pigs. You get dirty, and the pig enjoys it".

 

Slinging mud is never the way to put your best professional foot forward.

[Guest RyanCade]

Thank You

 

Thanks Deej, I apologize I'm new to the site and Not familiar with the rules.. I will be good from now on..

[firsttimer]

I think for new people like me who first started by lurking in the forums and seeing what it's all about that posting an early warning would be helpful. You don't have to go into the details but a "hey just be a little careful with this guy" means a lot to me and I appreciate it. I want to know who is excellent time and time again and who is a scammer so I don't get ripped off either.

 

I also can see where a person who constantly is just slamming escorts should not be allowed to slander them if these statements are untrue. So it is a balancing act.

 

Even those with great reviews though sometimes are not what they seem. So I guess there isn't a perfect solution.

[Guest zipperzone]

Thanks Deej, I apologize I'm new to the site and Not familiar with the rules.. I will be good from now on..

 

Hmmmmmm....... Judging from your picture I'd be willing to bet you'd be VERY good.

[TruthBTold]

Like any good debate topics, there are pros and cons and rights and wrongs for each side of this argument. But it comes down to the fact that Mr. Daddy administers the reviews and the forums and we all have agreed to play by his rules. If not, each of us can start his own blog and say whatever he wants.

[jgoo]

I imagine a great deal of good could come out of a rip-off alert in the message center but unless it is structured and managed carefully it has a lot of potential to do significant harm as well. So on balance, unless Daddy or the administrators have the time and energy to deal with it, the default is buyer beware. just my 2 cents

[justaguy]

I also concur. When I posted my first question, I was given three pieces of advice: 1) use common sense, 2) stick to well reviewed escorts until I'm comfortable going farther afield, and 3) establish clear communication with the escort. It was good advice when given and still holds.

[Epigonos]

Over the last eight, plus, years I have come to view this site as a place to provide connoisseurs of escorts with the information they require to pursue their “passion”. I was extremely fortunate to find this site during the summer of 2002 at the time I became interested in playing with escorts. By researching the information provided here, by the REVIEWS, I have fortunately NEVER had a bad escort experience. I frequently use other sites like rentboy and men4rent for eye candy or as possible directories of new and interesting escorts BUT I always return here to see if the escort in whom I have become interested has multiple, positive reviews. If he does not I tend to drop him from my list of future hires.

 

The point I am rather laboriously trying to make here is that it is the REVIEWS not the various forums that provide those of us who regularly hire escorts with the information we require. I read and participate in the various forums for fun but when I become serious about hiring an escort it is the REVIEWS that I check out. Personally I find the concept of a Rip-Off Alert forum redundant and unnecessary.

[Kevin Slater]

I always return here to see if the escort in whom I have become interested has multiple, positive reviews. If he does not I tend to drop him from my list of future hires.

 

I would only add "multiple positive reviews not from first-time reviewers". (One should look askance at numerous positive reviews by contributors who have only ever reviewed the escort in question and no one else.)

 

Kevin Slater