Cock and Ball Torture

[whipped guy]

I thought I would start a bit of activity here with a discussion of CBT. It is amazing how something that hurts so much can feel so damned good. While I enjoy most forms, one of the exceptions would be excessive pressure on the balls… that somehow doesn’t do it for me…

 

One other problem concerns the fact that at times it has a debilitating effect on the dénouement if you get my drift…

 

Perhaps we can have a discussion of some favorite toys, techniques, safety issues, etc. With a bit of luck this will even get some escorts involved in the conversation as well.

[uwsman2]

ball stretchers

 

In my experience, ball stretchers can be fun, when applied by a guy who knows what he is doing while I am tied up and gagged.

[Businessguy]

Confusing sensations

 

I like delivering CBT more than getting it - go figure! I like to restrict his movements (tie him down) and blindfold him so he can't tell exactly what is going on. Then I mix it up with some very sensual jacking and oral along with some slapping, stretching and pressure and maybe some toys. I watch the reactions to gauge how to mix up the pleasure and discomfort and push his comfort zone. Once I get the guy close and edge him for a few minutes, I like to slow down and then negotiate the delivering of the torture along with the pleasure so see just how bad he wants the pleasure and to climax. Can be lots of fun and its suprizing how much a guy can take when he wants to cum.

[uwsman2]

totally hot

 

Sounds like you give a totally hot session.... Where are you located?

[whipped guy]

Yes, totally hot!

 

Businessguy… ditto… it sounds as though you both know and enjoy what you are doing… and I do like the concept of "confusing sensations". Perhaps you could elaborate and give an indication of some of the techniques and toys that you use.

 

Many of us here can certainly convey our experiences from being on the receiving end… but rather than begin by giving a litany of past experiences I really hope to attract those who have become skilled at delivering CBT so we can discover and better understand the techniques, methods, and skills required to present a safe yet effective scenario. Then we can compare and contrast various experiences.

 

So as I mentioned above… all you specialty escorts out there… and others who enjoy such a scene... chime in!

[Businessguy]

"More"

 

Thanks for the comments whipped guy & uwsman2. I'm sure there are more experienced CBT guys out there than I am so I hope they will join the discussion. For me, I love worshipping a beautiful cock & balls and the CBT is just one avenue of doing that. I like complete control so comfortable sustainable bondage is almost always part of the scene. I also usually blindfold my boi to make him focus on the sensations and not get distracted. I have found that the recipient usually can go much farther than they first think they can if they have confidence in me and the action slowly ramps up. I think an on going dialog is important and so I always teach my boi my favorite word, "More". As I apply different sensations, my boi can freely ask for "more" of what he is enjoying. Of course I ask him from time to time if he wants "more" of certain things if he's being too quiet. But that generally gives me the feedback I need to gently increase the various sensations and not push too far. Not surprizing to me, my boi will often ask for more of the tortureous sensations as well as the sensuous ones. That's when I know I'm developing a balance. Once the boi is sufficiently turned on, I then make him combine "more" with "please Sir" and other words to convey submission and respect. It's easy to progess from there to eager begging for "more". Usually at this point the confusion of sensations is driving my boi to beg for more torture as well as the pleasure because the pain has become pleasurable. Most of the time I can hold him on the edge there for awhile making him beg for " more" and for a climax. It can be very intense, especially with a boi who abandons his inhibitions and becomes a begging pig for "more". The actual toys and techniques vary depending on which sensations he requests "more" of. I take what he is begging for and add something new that is similar for a new sensation. For me, the attraction of CBT is turning the boi's cock totally on in a way he cannot do for himself. For me, that is when his cock is the most beautiful and usually completely hard. At that point, even the lightest touch can send shivers through my boi. I often enjoy orally worshiping a cock in that state, which becomes one of the sensation that is often begged for. So, we both get what we want. That's what it is all about anyway, isn't it?

[uwsman2]

You've said it all!

 

Yes, what it is all about is building up sensations until the boi is so quivering with being turned on that the final explosion is earth-shattering.... And I've searched so long for being the boi in that kind of experience. I agree that blindfolding is an essential part of that - which of course requires great trust from the boi. The most memorable experiences I've had as a bottom have involved blindfolding, which enhances every sensation.

[raulgmanzo]

CBT is fun incorporated into predicatment bondage. Like to put a guys balls into a ball strectcher and then connect a rope or chain to and ankle restraint so that straightening the leg pulls the ball sac. The same cord can be connected from the ankle looped through a collar or belt and then down to a dildo. I've long rubber elastic cords that are really good for one side of the arangement so that relaxing ones pull automatically shoves the dildo in or pulls the ball sac down.

 

Lately I've been enjoying neoprene ball stretchers, but also use leather ones and love the look of ball splitters, of which I have a few varieties. The leather ball stretchers are nice because they have D rings on them for easy attachment.

I love how tight, smooth and glassy balls look when stretched tightly. I think people are often surprised just how far ones ball sac can be stretched.

 

Personally I love the feel of my balls in a couple inch long ball stretcher while I fuck someone. the weight of my balls whacking into their also stretched out balls while fucking doggy style.

 

Speaking of mutual CBT, making out with someone while you both have your balls tied together or in one stretcher can be quite a sensation. the balls can of the same direction or the opposite. Very easy to lose sense of whose balls and cock is whose.

[whipped guy]

I like the way you guys think!

 

The reason I started this thread partly concerned the fact that I had not experienced a totally satisfying CBT in quite a while… and as I stated it usually seemed to produce a debilitating effect. That is why of late that the CBT portion of any session has not really been the focal point. For example, during my last hookup the CBT consisted of being forced to wear clothespins on my balls for most of the outing… there was a bit of teasing when they were initially placed and of course the most painful (pleasurable) part was their removal… but it was certainly not the main focus of the session. For a previous get-together a parachute and progressively applied weights were employed… but simply as part of the overall package… I think you get the drift.

 

However, after reading Businessguy’s description I really need to schedule something where the CBT is the center of attention and the culmination of the scene… perhaps that will do the trick. Plus, uwsman2 hits the nail on the head about blindfolding.

 

Now I don’t know if Businessguy is actually “in the business”… I would tend to think not… but at I certainly like the way he thinks!

 

Also, I am certainly glad that Raul (who is in the business!) got involved with the discussion… because I like the way he thinks as well… Yeah! I just love the look and feel of my boys in a leather cock and ball separator… I have a favorite leather set that contours around them and “coddles” them perfectly… Also the predicament bondage thing is another fascinating concept.

 

While I have a few other personal experiences to relate... I am still hoping that others will be lured into jumping into the discussion... and hopefully we will like the way they think as well!

[Businessguy]

Not "in" the business

 

Thanks for the compliments. No - I'm not "in" the business, just a "business" guy. In my private life, I'm mostly a Dom bondage top. That's when I enjoy the CBT applied to my sub. When I hire and escort, I'm usually looking for them to be the Dom and maybe flip as we go along if the chemistry and trust are there.

 

I was particularly intrigued with Raul's situational CBT and rigging things up to interact more. That could work in well with my style of confusing the sensations and making my sub beg for "more" or for relief. Maybe I should hire Raul to give me a personal coaching session and show me how he does that. I could be the sub to experience it first-hand - grin.

[whipped guy]

Business

 

In my private life, I'm mostly a Dom bondage top. That's when I enjoy the CBT applied to my sub....

 

Too bad you are not "in" business... LOL... as in my experience the best tops have been those who practiced all this "business" in their private lives...

 

Maybe I should hire Raul... I could be the sub to experience it first-hand - grin.

 

Exactly! The best tops have always said it is invaluable to have had experience on he other side as well... It just gives the top not only a better perspective but also a better perception of exactly what the bottom is experiencing. So give a "heads up" when you set things up with Raul... I (and I am sure a few others) would be willing to observe and learn as well... grin.

[uwsman2]

Raul's predicaments

 

Hey, Raul... So come back to NYC some time and we can try it out.

[Ivan]

The reason I started this thread partly concerned the fact that I had not experienced a totally satisfying CBT in quite a while… and as I stated it usually seemed to produce a debilitating effect. That is why of late that the CBT portion of any session has not really been the focal point. For example, during my last hookup the CBT consisted of being forced to wear clothespins on my balls for most of the outing… there was a bit of teasing when they were initially placed and of course the most painful (pleasurable) part was their removal… but it was certainly not the main focus of the session. For a previous get-together a parachute and progressively applied weights were employed… but simply as part of the overall package… I think you get the drift.

 

Gee, that doesn’t sound like much fun, whipped. If we spent some time together (I am not a professional), I’d ask that you shave your balls several days before. During the first part of our time together, we could play however we wanted, and I would occasionally slap or pat or pinch your cock and balls, or maybe even tease a little more intensely for a few moments. But then when we got down to business ….

 

I would restrain you in a comfortable position – on your back or sitting up against pillows, or in a chair scooted forward so that you balls hang over the edge of the seat. And I would blindfold you. And have a gag ready if you get too loud or if I get tired of your whining.

 

I usually start off with some “admiring” – kissing your shaft, kissing/licking your balls, kissing the inside of your thighs, some sucking and deep throating – to make sure you are excited and hard. Maybe a little tit pinching and body rubbing along with the crotch action, whatever works with you. With occasional pauses between segments. And then I would suddenly slap your cock or balls HARD or cup and squeeze your balls HARD for a few seconds, just as a preview – and a reminder that your cock and balls belong to me now, for my pleasure.

 

And then I’d start playing. Early on, I would get you into a ball stretcher, to make your balls are more accessible. If no metal or leather one is available, I would hold your balls in one hand and twist the sac as I pull them comfortably away from your body and then with my other hand wrap and knot a sock or undershorts or jockstrap or length of elastic like an Ace bandage around the twisted area at the top of the sac under the cock – to keep the balls low and exposed, without my holding them. The balls are beautiful in their tight sac, skin taut and glistening, ready to be used and abused.

 

To get acquainted with your limits, maybe I’ll cup the balls in one hand and start gradually squeezing until you squirm and protest, and then I’ll squeeze a few seconds more and stop. I’ll take a short pause, and then repeat several times, each time squeezing a little harder and longer. Maybe in one of the pauses I’ll lightly stroke the inside of your thighs (or lightly bite them) or with a sloppy mouth go down on your shaft for a moment – or maybe I’ll thwack your rigid cock hard with my other hand – before resuming the squeezing. Or maybe I’ll squeeze one ball in each hand to see which one is more sensitive.

 

And maybe I’ll add pulling to the squeezing – pulling your ball sac away from your body while simultaneously squeezing – let’s see how far I can pull before you really start squirming. Maybe when you reach your limit, I’ll make you count 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 6 – 7 – 8 – 9 – 10 and then 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 and then 1 – 2 – 3 before I stop, if you miss a number or stop in the middle we start at 1 again.

 

Maybe before counting I’ll play with your cock some. How much slapping can you take? And how hard? Maybe I’ll use the flat of my hand or the back of my hand, or either end of a wooden spoon with a broad, flat bowl, or a tightly rolled up magazine (if you are a literary type, I’ll use the New Yorker, or do you prefer People?), or the heel of a flip-flop or sandal, or water bottle (cold adds an extra touch), a sock with something inside it, a hardcover book (that’s why the Gideon Bible is in the nightstand, dude). Of course, all this stuff works for hitting your balls, too.

 

I’ll start a slow and steady rhythm, with a pause between each thwack – hey, too fast you don’t get to enjoy each one. Sometimes I’ll add a “bonus” between pauses, like a hard slap (thwack … thwack … thwack … HARD SLAP … thwack) or a kiss on the balls, or nothing at all (thwack … thwack … thwack … [pause] … thwack), got to keep you guessing <wicked smile>, anticipation is half the fun. I’ll build up the intensity, but not increase the speed, rhythm is everything (think dripping faucet or Chinese water torture).

 

And then back to squeezing your shaft HARD to find your limits, set up a rhythm, squeeze … pause … squeeze … pause – maybe at the same time pulling your cock UP and away from your body, forcing you to lift your abdomen and ass up a little. Of course, if I’m pulling DOWN on your ball sac at the same time, it’s a bit of a mixed message – but, hey, that’s your problem, not mine. Or maybe while I’m squeezing the shaft, I’ll kiss or lick the head or take it into my mouth ever so gently and tease it with my tongue, or gently bite (or maybe not so gently – do you like biting?).

 

And when my hands get tired pulling, I can add weights to your balls, then I can use both hands to slap or pinch or whatever. Or I can mouth your balls – get them into my mouth and gently close my lips over my teeth, and start to pull your sac away from your body. Or I can gently bite with my teeth as I pull away. Or maybe I’ll pause in the pulling and gently munch/bite one of your balls, or swirl my tongue around it, and then resume pulling.

 

When I want a break and to switch to a new work position, I’ll get you up on all fours, with your legs spread wide so that I can get at everything – and continue the playing and pulling. And if you’ve been good I might rim you, maybe deep with a little nibbling, too. Eventfully with my free hand I’ll finger you to open you up for some dildo work. (This is just the side plot, the main story of ball slapping and cock abuse still continues at the same time, who can resist those beautiful balls hanging down, exposed and ready for action?) And when I’m ready, I’ll push in a butt plug – you know, one of those big, thick ones that when you see it online or in a video you flinch and mutter “Omigod, I could never take that” – but, hey, it’s amazing what you can take when I’m pulling down HARD on your nut sac at the same time. I don’t do nuthing fast – just slow and gradual, and before you know it, that monster is up yours, and we’re both happy (well, at least I’m happy, and if I’m happy, you’re happy – or is it the other way around?).

 

Speaking of plots, I like to use a little conflict in my play – you know, pulling your balls until you're almost at the limit and then tickling you at the same time, or laying beside you while squeezing/pulling hard on your dick and ever so lightly licking your erect nipples, or … well, you get the idea, mixing up pleasure and pain.

 

Of course, I don’t need to mention that in the doggie position you’re prime for some ass slapping, which I find to be a great break for my hands, a nice wide THWACK relaxes my arm muscles. And if you’re really sensitive by now, I’ll do lots of ass kissing and licking and nuzzling and light touching, gently and ever so lightly, slow and easy – drives some guys crazy, more than the pulling or the thwacks.

 

Which reminds me that in whatever position, I always have playful stuff to touch or rub against the cock or balls or hole or ass: a comb or something else with sharp teeth (like a Wartenberg pinwheel), clothespins or clips, light silk or acetate fabric, really rough texture like sandpaper, feathers, keys on a chain, something squishy (food or toothpaste or something you can get off easily, hmm some chocolate sauce and whipped cream for a banana split?) – who needs Mr. S, just look around your house or go to the hardware store.

 

This play can go on as long as I’m having a good time (and you too, of course). Toward the end of the play, I’ll start edging and milking you. And you’ll cum when I’m ready, either with me driving or I’ll release an arm for you to use and I’ll “assist” in whatever way seems to work best (some guys need something hard/intense to cum, others need just a light touch).

 

To me, so far this is all “vanilla” CBT. My approach is like music – lots of themes and variations, with some solos and some repetition, building to a crescendo.

 

If you find a good partner, whipped, in later sessions maybe you can explore some add-ons like vibrators or eggs, some action with floggers, leather belts, whips, crops, etc., using parachutes or weighted ball bags (hey, those ball bags look like punching bags for a reason!), ball crushers, hoods, hot wax, sounds, electro, more elaborate bondage, and so on. But for everyday CBT, you don’t need much equipment, just innovate with what’s at hand.

[whipped guy]

Ivan the Terrible!

 

Ivan… as in “Ivan the Terrible” I presume… and please do take that as a compliment… Great post! It is indeed inspiring to know that someone has given so much thought to the art of CBT… you join the ranks of Businessguy and Raul in the “CBT Hall of Fame”.

 

Actually there is only so much time in the day and only so many minutes in a two-hour session… and when one has the moniker “whipped” and has an avatar depicting a guy wearing tit clamps that is an indication of other areas of interest… and being someone that wants to experience it all sometimes certain activities have to take a back seat… and unfortunately so. So much to experience, so little time…

 

However, as noted above, I am determined to concentrate on CBT in future hookups. Still, I don’t want to give the impression that I have not been at least halfway around the block as far as CBT is concerned… it is just that I have not experienced a totally satisfying version thereof recently. Please be assured I have been subjected to hot wax, hot wax in conjunction with ice cubes, clothespins on my cock and balls, parachute with weights, penis whips, cock and ball separators, and electrical. In fact I own a number of personal toys including a TENS unit expressly for that purpose… but I have also experienced other forms of electrical, such as a violet wand and a special contraption that almost defies description. It was a board that had a series of wires… an electrical grid or circuit board if you will… and the cock and balls were wired and screwed down in a mini bondage situation… and that is “painful” enough! In the meantime I was tied down in a major bondage predicament. Then the juice was applied making the lights in all of lower Manhattan dim… The result defied any description… I was totally defenseless… and my boys were totally vulnerable… Well that was the old… or rather younger version of me… not the older and wiser version! That’s as far as I was willing to go… As far as other limits are concerned, I have always drawn the line at sounds and ball crushers are not really my thing either.

 

Still, as you say, sometimes simpler Is not only often better, but actually all that is probably needed. Indeed that was often great advice from mom… Yep! Look around the house or go to your local hardware store or dollar store for the items you mentioned. One hint, shoelaces can be used as C&B separators, and then there is mom’s favorite…the aforementioned clothespins… or as guys from the British Isles call them, “clothes pegs”…

 

Still, while often the basics can be effective, escorts that are willing to get involved with BDSM often don’t want to invest in the proper equipment. Consequently, it has been somewhat of an inconvenience to have to carry the “tools of the trade” around with me when traveling. As an example, the last time I traveled I decided to eschew the parachute and weights… and simply for the weight factor.

 

Bottom line it is good to know that there are others out there who have thought through a varied and rewarding CBT scenario… now if guys like Ivan and Businessguy can do it why not more escorts?? Raul being the exception so far… Hopefully this thread will get them to come out of their closet… or at least inspire others to “get with the program”! Plus, for some reason certain so-called doms can be a bit tentative regarding CBT… that’s why I mentioned above the importance of experiencing it as a sub and also practicing it in one’s own personal sex life. In addition, there is also a dearth of talent in the NYC area regarding BDSM specialists. In fact one guy that I was working with recently has decided to change the focus of his life… so back to square one… Hopefully, I will find that ideal partner as you mentioned.

 

Finally, Ivan… I liked your description of the action as being musical… That is something to which I most definitely can relate. Though in actuality, it should describe any type of sexual activity. Yes many themes…some solos… lots of percussion… a wild tutti section with trombone underpinning… a recapitulation… and finally and most importantly a crescendo of orgasmic proportions! Think the overture to Rossini’s La Gazza Ladra… and you’ll get my drift!

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Can it Truly be Called Cock & Ball Torture - if you are enjoy the ministrations?

 

Well I wouldnt call what Ivan describes as torture - more as Cock and Ball Play.

 

CBT is one of my favorite DOM/TOP activities.

 

 

CBT should include in its definition - Electro - Compression - Infusion -

 

Clamps - Extensive weights/stretching - crops - spanking - wax- clothespins - seperators -

 

stretchers - heat - ice -and for the well exp'd punching and saline injection.

 

IMHO - It really isnt CBT - unless the slve/pig cums from nothing but the ball work.

[Guest Ruben]

The topic of CBT is an interesting one and one I am interested in trying out. Can anyone suggest the names of a few escorts, especially ones known on this board like Raul, who are skilled and experienced in CBT? Where does one find escorts who provide such a "service"?

[whipped guy]

CBT Escorts...

 

Well I wouldnt call what Ivan describes as torture - more as Cock and Ball Play.

Just as there is a fine line between pain and pleasure so too there is a fine line regarding where the “play” ends and the “torture” begins. To quote businessguy from above, “at that point even the lightest touch can send shivers through my boi”… Plus, as Ivan suggested sometimes less is actually more… at least for some individuals.

 

It just proves that everyone responds differently. So fire away guys with any other propositions, perspectives, or philosophies… not to mention experiences. Let’s mix it up a bit more!

 

 

Can anyone suggest the names of a few escorts, especially ones known on this board like Raul, who are skilled and experienced in CBT? Where does one find escorts who provide such a "service"?

Ruben… Most of my best CBT experiences were with escorts who are now either retired or have moved out of my area. I am not sure if he is still escorting, but Adam Faust who moved to LA to pursue a porno career was extremely talented in that regard. Of late I have had to try and choreograph the scenario myself, but there is nothing like being shocked (and sometimes literally so) at what is in store and in the offing for your helpless boys…

 

One of the reasons that I began this thread was to lure some escorts to respond to the conundrum that is CBT. I somehow knew that Raul would respond, but I was hoping for others, quite a few others.

 

I wonder what it takes to get “specialist” escorts to come out from hiding under their respective rocks …as of late there has not been much of an escort response to queries in this forum.

[uwsman2]

getting the word out

 

I suspect escorts just are not checking this forum very much becaused there tends not to be much posting going on.... Fetish folk are not talking much these days.

 

I too would be interested in hearing which of the boys in the NYC area are "into" this kind of play.

[Businessguy]

Try this Escort

 

I can highly recommend Master Jeff from San Francisco. He is a very experienced BDSM top who is trustworthy and very skilled in many forms of BDSM play. He is reviewed here on Daddys and has an excellent web site at http://www.masterjeffbdsm.com. Check him out. He has a very clean and well-equiped play room with as almost as much gear as Mr. S Leather. He customizes each session to what interests you most. I'm sure he could give anyones balls a complete workover. Contact him. He is very friendly and responsive. I'll see if I can get him to enter a few comments here.

[Steven_Draker]

as of late there has not been much of an escort response to queries in this forum.

 

Why bother??

[Guest Ruben]

I don't understand your message, Steven. What do you mean Why bother??

[whipped guy]

Why bother?

 

I don't understand your message, Steven. What do you mean Why bother??

 

I don't understand the response either.

 

But I actually do understand it... it was intentionally meant to be cryptic, and meant to be deliberately enigmatic... to attract attention. It is a Machiavellian technique.

 

Now one reason to really bother is that Businessguy after contributing something positive to the discussion indicated he would try to go one step further by attempting to get an escort who is a specialist in this field involved in the conversation. Even if Master Jeff does not get to join us, that was certainly a nice gesture on Businessguy's part. Furthermore, I was happy that he was able to better answer Ruben's inquiry than was I. I for one hope that more escorts and clents "bother"...

 

We may be discussing some unsavory topics in this forum, but a little kindness goes a long way even in the world of S&M... indeed that is always one of the hallmarks of the best BDSM specialists.

[uwsman2]

Draker's response

 

Unusually flip for SD. Perhaps because this forum seems to be so little patronized it is not worth an escort's time to post in it, since it's not going to be a business-generator.

 

But to those of us interested in these various fetishes, it is a big help to know which escorts might be amenable to "getting into it."

[whipped guy]

More marketing...

 

Unusually flip for SD. Perhaps because this forum seems to be so little patronized it is not worth an escort's time to post in it, since it's not going to be a business-generator.

 

But to those of us interested in these various fetishes, it is a big help to know which escorts might be amenable to "getting into it."

 

I am not so sure that Steven was simply making a flippant remark, but I must assume that this is something with which Steven does want to get involved… and that is a decision that was most likely based not only on what he feels comfortable doing, but marketing considerations as well. I say this because Steven did not include his normal signature in his posting with its usual advertising details. Furthermore, when one has been escorting as long as Steven has there comes a time when he might choose to ignore or not want to get involved with particular activities… Heck, if he ain’t any good at it why even bother… So I guess Steven is not the guy to contact for this type of activity.

 

Now to many escorts this site is all about self promotion… and there is nothing wrong with that… especially if done in a way that is understanding of others. Consequently, I found it strange that a comment would be made that would seem to ridicule the perspectives and proclivities of others… not a good move from the point of having a savvy marketing sense that would try to attract additional business. Not all of those who post here only hire BDSM escorts exclusively… and mocking a segment of the marketplace is not exactly the way to win additional friends and influence people.

 

So as usman2 noted it would indeed be a "big help" to learn about those who would really be "amenable"...

[Businessguy]

Match Game

 

You are right Whip - Stephen did not move up on my list after that comment. I have been getting his monthly emails and was looking for an opportunity to intersect his travel schedule but I may rethink that now. What I like most about Daddys, the reviews and the forum is that it gives me a chance to see if the escort I'm considering would be a good match. Not everyone who lists leather as one of their interests really has a clue or skill in that area. The reviews really help there. That's one reason I write detailed reviews so that other guys who like what I like will know that this escort can deliver. ANd I look for reviews that are positive about what I like. Many times, when you approach an escort, they will say that they are into whatever you are into. That does not insure a good time. Sometimes its just to sell the deal. So, if you are into fetish play, do your homework and go to guys who are experienced and really like that play in their personal lives. It makes a huge difference. One guy besides Master Jeff who I could recommend would be Tyger from Portland. He has done porn as well. Check out his web site at http://www.tygerscent.biz .