Clients - Who Do You Trust and Why? ESCORTS - How far will you go?

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

CLIENTS:

 

When looking to explore some of your fantasies (i.e. Bondage/Discipline/SM/WS/Electro/FF etc.)

 

- Are you more likely to trust a Professional Escort or a bar/internet pickup?

 

-If you are inclined to an Escort - What do you look for before you give up control? What does it take for you to trust an Escort?

 

- Reviews? Websites? Rentboy ad? Men4RentNow Ad? Local Gay Publication Ad? REally Hot PICs? Being in a Porn Movie?

 

-What Makes you feel safe enough to give up control to an Escort - as opposed to Bar/interent pickup?

 

-What do you need to trust a Bar/Internet pickup in order to give up control?

 

ESCORTS:

 

How do you know how far to go in a Kink scene?

 

How do you establish important communications links with Kink Bottoms?

 

What won't you do and why?

 

What do you as an Escort have to offer a CLient over a Bar/Internet pickup in relation to a Kink scene?

 

 

Inquiring minds want to know!

 

Thanks for you honest input

[whipped guy]

For me the cardinal rule is the following:

 

In an S&M situation the bottom set the rules... otherwise known as “topping form below”.

 

Only when the bottom is in control can the all important trust and chemistry for a successful S&M relationship be achieved.[/font color=blue]

 

Obviously a well reviewed escort is definitely the way to go. However, given the paucity of “specialists” sometimes one has to take their chances… so it is important to read between the lines by carefully scrutinizing any exchanged emails and getting a feel for the guy in phone conversations. If a bad vibe is felt at this point in the relationship then it might be best to nip things in the bud and look elsewhere.

 

Still actions speak louder than words… so at the time of the initial encounter it is important to make sure that the rules of engagement are fully understood. That is why having a brief in person conservation is always a good idea as it certainly helps establish a bit of the all-important chemistry mandatory for a successful S&M encounter. Along these lines individuals with a sympathetic and temperate personality (as opposed to cocky and bold) have ironically provided the best experiences… and the reason for this is due to the all important “trust factor”. If a guy has your trust you can relax and submit to what ever he throws your direction and simply enjoy the “pleasures”.

 

In addition, an experienced S&M specialist top should be able to read body language… with the best being adept at finding the sometimes elusive “pain-pleasure zone” without the bottom ever having to verbalize his preferences. Now this is a rare talent… but as noted it is a characteristic of the best guys out there. Now what further constitutes the best? Well actually those guys who practice S&M in their personal sex lives and have had experiences on both sides of the equation are usually the best at the job. Those tops that have had experiences as bottoms (either due to versatility or a desire to experience the “other” side so as to better serve their clients) typically make the best S&M tops. Now this is unfortunately rarely the case… but it really should be a prerequisite for the job.

 

Now there are more than a few insane guys out there… and it is often difficult to find an individual with whom you click on every level… for example I have experienced talented individuals whose physical appearance is far from my ideal. Conversely there have been guys to whom I have been strongly attracted that have not been proficient at S&M… Unfortunately, I prefer the “total package”… looks, muscles, talent, personality, and most importantly brains.

 

Paradoxically, one of my better recent experiences occurred when I hired a “vanilla” escort with a kind and gentle personality who has the bodybuilder type physique to which I am attracted. I basically did the ultimate “topping from below’ by literally training and molding the guy into my ideal of an S&M top. He is an intelligent and perceptive individual so the experiment proved to be successful. Now I previously tried the same approach with a smug and headstrong individual and the results were not as encouraging.

 

In summary, the best and most trustworthy tops in my experience have been proverbial paradoxes… guys who are “gentle men” and still have a wild and kinky side, guys who are caring, but are not afraid to “take care of their boy” by giving him what he wants and needs. And speaking of what a bottom desires… The best tops are able to know exactly what the bottom want and needs… and even before the bottom even knows that himself… so it is good to push the envelope a bit… but just a bit… and do so without overstepping one’s bounds… When the bottom can trust the top implicitly true magic is often the end result!

[Bilbo]

Whipped - Very good answer. I would probably have said about the same things, though I would have used different words. Nuances.

 

However, in your last paragraph, when you mention that the best tops can know what you want/need sometimes even before you do? Unfortunately, that is knowledge that I wish you had left for experienced bottoms to find out for themselves. It is just too easy for a certain class of client to use it to justify going against everything you said so far.

 

Many of the clients I receive as a Leather Master for Hire come to me to avoid taking responsibility for their own pleasure. They do not know how, and do not really want to know how, to ask for what they want. And are not capable of admitting, perhaps even to themselves, that they enjoyed it once they received it. I may sound like I'm just griping but these people can be a danger to themselves, and to me, just as if I were to try topping when I am just too tired for it.

 

To lurkers, if your attitude is one of "I don't like sucking cock, or getting fucked. He makes me do it.", then, yes, it is all right to come to me. But please be prepared, somehow, to progress beyond that as a part of your training.

And if you do not know how to ask for what you want and can't find someone you feel you can really trust to teach you to ask for it (and what to ask for, other than the obvious), might I suggest a wonderful course from Body Electric called Power, Surrender and Intimacy? Or, actually, I do teach a class along those lines myself. But I'm just thinking that you might find it easier to trust someone when you are not the only student in the class and he is the representative of a recognized school.

[whipped guy]

Re: However, in your last paragraph, when you mention that the best tops can know what you want/need sometimes even before you do? Unfortunately, that is knowledge that I wish you had left for experienced bottoms to find out for themselves. It is just too easy for a certain class of client to use it to justify going against everything you said so far.[/font color=blue]

 

Bilbo... Thanks for your comments...

 

I really had some misgivings about including those final sentences, but in the final analysis I felt that the suggestion went hand in hand with the concept of best tops being ultra perceptive, concerned, and caring individuals. Plus, during my "early" days I enjoyed having the envelope pushed a bit. Of course I felt as though I were a kid in a candy store and when being offered a different and enticing type of candy I usually was eager to try a small sampling. Still, I should have expanded and clarified my thoughts...

 

In the final analysis, the most important factor is to never cross over the line of agreed upon limits… one can gently and subtly suggest, cajole, entice, and try to persuade… as that can add to the excitement factor… but one should never ever violate a trust and exceed the agreed upon limits.

 

I recall one instance where a top made a suggestion that I personally felt I was not ready for at that point in time… His response was, “Well, I want my boy… I want my boy… “ Then there was a slight pause… and I thought for a fleeting instant that he was going to insist… in fact I felt my pulse quicken and my heart almost skipped a beat... and then he continued, “I want my boy to do whatever my boy wants to do… that’s what I want for my boy!” He then gave a gentle caress and continued, "I want only the best for my boy... I would never do anything my boy didn't want to do". At that point I not only felt relieved and comforted, but certainly realized that this was an individual I could trust unreservedly… In fact I was so moved by his words that I almost felt a tear develop in my eye… as his actions made the experience feel so proper and right on target. It took another session or two to get to the point in question, but nonetheless he knew that that is where I wanted and actually needed to go…

[uwsman2]

As an S&M bottom of moderate experience I have pretty much stuck with hiring S&M top escorts when I'm looking for that kind of scene, precisely because I can read reviews first, and I wouldn't think of putting myself in the hands of somebody who is going to tie me up, blindfold me, flog me, put pinchy things on my tits, slap my cock.... I could go on, but it would get boring... without knowing in advance that other people have had successful experiences with him and he seems to be sane.

 

I had one or two experiences where I hooked up with guys through personals and stuff looking for S&M and it was usually disappointing. I found that a well-reviewed professional knew how to find limits and push them slightly, whereas a non-paying hook-up tended to be too timid and fearful about hurting me, with the result that things stayed too vanilla even if I asked for more.

 

I've also found that the best professional S&M tops tend to be quiet men who don't blab a lot. The few I've met who talked a blue streak inevitably ruined the experience. The talkers tend to be into themselves rather than totally dedicated to having a mutually hot experience. (I know, that's a broad generalization, but I've found it to be true based on my experience.) And then there are the guys who forget that the client is paying for the escort's time, not to listen to the escort having cellphone conversations while the client is tied up!!!

 

And, finally, the big frustration is in finding good professional S&M tops who are well-reviewed. I've seen some enticing Rentboy ads for S&M tops in the NYC area, but either the reviews didn't look promising or they just weren't reviewed, and I wasn't ready to be the guinea pig who tries them out and reviews them first.

[whipped guy]

Uwsman2… excellent post… especially regarding the fact that the best guys out there are indeed "quiet men"!

 

And regarding the line about not wanting to be "the guinea pig who tries them out and reviews them first"

 

...neither would I!!!

[Damascene]

Yes, but someone needs to be the guinea pig. I've done my fair share of trying some new guys when my regular retires and I've reviewed them. A few years ago there were quite a few s/m escorts in NY and they use to work with each other quite well (Gino, Gabriel, Reece, Rex), but now there is not. My tastes have shifted more towards vanilla of late and I see an escort regularly, so I haven't tried anyone new for a while.

 

I agree with the talkers. One of the best S/M experiences I had was with a now-retired escort in NY and once we started, neither of us would speak more than 5 sentences for the session. He knew how to use his hands to direct me, but he knew how punctuate the session with the right words at the right time.

[whipped guy]

Yes, but someone needs to be the guinea pig.[/font color=blue]

 

Well if any one wants to apply for the job... be my guest.

 

Seriously, several times I have put out feelers in this forum regarding S&M specialists in NYC and have received private messages of warning regarding certain individuals. Unfortunately some of the stories have been downright scary. So there are guys out there willing to be guinea pigs and indeed have been guinea pigs. Also, it tends to be a definite trait that most individuals usually refrain from either submitting unfavorable reviews or posting ultra critical comments in public forums. It is just easier and more comforting to write a glowing review… as opposed to reliving a bad experience. Plus, one doesn’t have to contend with the consequences of their actions. In that regard a bit of anonymity does help. That is why no escort will ever know my screen name in this forum and why I use a different handle for my escort reviews.

 

Consequently, the absence of a positive review, especially when S&M is factored into the equation, is usually seen as a double red flag. Hence, one tends to look only for guys who have been well reviewed or well spoken of in forums such as this.

 

There is always a certain feeling of hesitation when seeing a guy for the first time… to be sure it just goes with the territory… It is when that uneasy and apprehensive feeling turn out to be warranted that one realizes too late that they are in trouble.

 

Escorts are hired for the “pleasure”… not to find oneself in a “dilemma”!

 

Dealing with “vanilla” is so much easier!

[whipped guy]

PS Regarding: ...neither of us would speak more than 5 sentences for the session. [/font color=blue]

 

Actually the bottom can usually get away with only using five words, "yes", "you", "sir", "thank" and "no"... in just three sentences:

 

"Yes, Sir!"

 

"Thank you, Sir!"

 

"No, Sir!"

 

(Please note: The final sentence used is very rarely and only under the appropriate conditions!)

 

:P

[uwsman2]

And, of course, a "safe word" - that's a good idea to establish ahead of time when you're going to be doing an unscripted S&M scene with somebody, especially for the first time.

 

A little story about this - not quite an escort story. This is a true story from Nebraska, where a fierce S&M daddy corresponded by email over many months with a man eager to submit to being his slave. (The man's relationship had ended, he was depressed, and he felt he needed and deserved real punishment.) The emails suggested that the potential slave wanted to be cage, branded, beaten regularly and mercilessly, and absolutely didn't want any safe word. Indeed, he insisted that if he were to say 'stop' or "I want to end it" or anything along those lines, the master should disregard that wimpy kind of comment, just ignore it, and proceed as he liked. Well, the great day arrived, and the slave showed up at the appointed hour, was blindfolded and taken down to the master's dungeon. Over the following week, the master and his partner subjected the guy to all he had requested, regular beatings, tight bondage, humiliation, and so forth. At some point along the way, the guy decided that he had made a big mistake, he was not just a piece of shit deserving constant punishment, and he asked to end the scene. But, the master and his partner, true to their words, followed the directions to ignore these requests, no matter how hard the slave begged, and if anything intensified the punishments. Finally, while the master was away, his partner became convinced that the slave really did want to end it, and helped him to escape. The ending of this story - after a multi-state manhunt, the master was apprehended and is now serving a lengthy sentence in the Nebraska prison system after being convicted on several felony counts.

 

And the moral of the story is --- agree ahead of time on a safe word (a word that both parties agree will signal an end to whatever is going on) and no matter how much you want to be a slave and receive punishment, be careful what you ask for, and be sure you really want it before you ask for it!!

[whipped guy]

Uwsman2… Of course you are right on target with the above posting.

 

In fact your post illustrates not only the importance of safe words and but also that there are a number of insane individuals doing this sort of thing… and the insanity can occur on both sides of the equation! As you say "be careful you may get what you asked for"!

 

In addition, another factor comes into play, and that concerns setting a certain mood. Some clients will protest and beg for mercy when they really don’t want the action to stop… for such an individual the “non-use” of a safe word is a signal to keep the action going. As one escort told me he would not ease up unless a safe word was used… as often clients would say, “What the hell did you stop for! You had me on the brink of ecstasy… now the atmosphere is ruined…” So the absence of a safe word can be valuable as well… but the safe word must always be in play!

 

Now in another thread you mentioned Reece Rothmeier. As I recall the first time we hooked up he used multiple safe words. “Blue” to signal that all was fine, “pink” was and indication that things were getting a bit too rough, and finally “red” as a signal to stop the action. Now Reece was so perceptive and talented that I really don’t recall ever having to use the words… other than to say, “Blue” to indicate that things were right on target.

 

Still, Reece had techniques to judge just how far he could go. For example, during a flogging session he would give instructions to count off only the “good” blows. I would remain silent as he slowly increased the intensity… thus giving him a signal that he could safely continue to increase the amount of force… when I began counting he knew that we were both “in the groove” and headed exactly in the right direction. This not only brought safety into play but also helped maintain an appropriate atmosphere that might otherwise be ruined by having to use a word that would be foreign to the situation. For instance, the use of the word "pink" in Reece’s black walled playroom with him decked out in leather and the client being chained to his Saint Andrew's cross most definitely would be an oxymoron of sorts!

 

Actually, Reece was so perceptive that he probably could have worked without the use of safe words… and indeed shortly before he retired he even almost questioned their value… but he was the exception to the rule and the gold standard by which all others will forever be measured so one needs to put such a statement in a sort of unique perspective. As noted above, I don’t recall ever having to use the word “red” in his presence… but then again during our ongoing association we always seem to “work as one” no matter what type of activity in which we were engaged. I am sure that he worked as effectively with others as well.

 

He was indeed the ultimate leather master! He is missed and I fear will never be replaced…

[uwsman2]

So - If Reece were suddenly to materialize and re-open for business, it would be the S&M equivalent of the "second coming of he who shall not be named"? Maybe that's going too far, but I certainly agree he set a high standard. Imagine an immaculately clean and well-equipped play-space, by comparison to some of the grungy places made available by the handful of SM escorts operating in NYC these days? Imagine a man so model-perfect in his looks and bearing and yet so willing to rough up his act as need be to satisfy his clients' needs? Does anyone know whatever became of this paragon? (I'm not speaking sarcastically here, guys... Reece in action was a thing of awesome, painful beauty to behold....)

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Lots of great and very interesting comments. Thanks Guys!~

 

Special thanks to BILBO - the only Escort who joined the discussion.

 

Hopefully some of the other SM working guys will join the

 

conversation.

 

Seems there is a real shortage of talent - Pass this discussion along,

 

maybe some of the "Experienced Top Guys" who enjoy SM in their

 

own personal Sex Lives will open it into a professional sphere.

 

We can only hope!

[whipped guy]

Oh “wet and wild one” who is actually “beyond being wet and wild”… Special thanks to you for posing such an interesting question. Your actions have prompted a discussion that hopefully will help revive this small corner of a “Message Center” that seems to be in need of some resuscitation. And yes thanks to uwsman2, damascene, and Bilbo for their input… hopefully others will see fit to jump in and enlighten us as to the pleasures of non-vanilla sex in its various forms.

 

Furthermore, I hope that a number of escorts are monitoring this forum even if they choose not to participate, as what was posted above regarding what constitutes not only the ideal escort, but the manner in which an escort presents himself should not be taken lightly. Just because a client is looking for sleaze doesn’t mean that it has to be offered in a totally sleazy environment. Plus, as the “wild one” states, hopefully this discussion will bring others into the dwindling ranks of S&M specialists.

[Bilbo]

I agree that this is a good discussion we've got going. But I would like to see a part of it that would focus more on how to avoid hiring unsatisfactory leather tops. Since I've never hired one personally, I'm not really equipped to lead us there, but ...

[Damascene]

One thing I never did, was hire an escort whose list of things on rentboy included everything but kitchen sink or use a phrase like "I do it all". Somehow it struck me a jack of all trades and master of none and I'm hiring a master not a jack.

 

Plus I think it show some discernment, if an escort does not do something. The best fetish escorts enjoy the fetishes they are doing, but if they don't like something, they don't offer it because they know it will not work.

 

- Damascene

[whipped guy]

Escorts that offer a smorgasbord type service have never provided a completely satisfactory S&M encounter … That does not mean that they have not on occasion provided good or even excellent experiences, it is just that they failed to provide a total and complete S&M experience, or in other words they have provided an alternative type of service. Of late I have had to settle for less than the complete ball of wax… so much so that it almost has become the norm… so much so that I might just have to change my screen name to “pseudo-vanilla guy”. Variety is undeniably the spice of life so actually that is not a bad thing and in fact it is good to be able to relish a multiplicity and range of various types of encounters… but still there has been a void.

[uwsman2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes a vanilla interlude can be refreshing, and sometimes a guy who will give you some rough sex can be almost as satisfying as a good S&M session. But it would be great to find a really trustworthy, knowledgeable bondage & SM top in NYC who I could trust to tie me up nice and tight and give me the flogging I really need, in a clean but erotic setting. The kind of guy that knows how to intersperse the strokes with lots of body stroking to heighten the experience. Well, maybe I am just wishing I could get myself into some of the hot scenes on the DVDs that Tom "Ropes" McGuirk is peddling.... Oh, and to top off the dream, this would be a guy with a sexy deep voice, a thoroughly masculine manner, no need to be gabby, and reasonably priced. I know, dream on!!!

[whipped guy]

It seems that one of the themes that has developed during this thread deals with a certain dissatisfaction in dealing with inexperienced so-called S&M specialists. With such individuals there is invariably a deficiency regarding know-how, expertise, and proficiency. An accomplished S&M specialist can work magic with virtually only his two hands and a few basic every day objects such as clothespins, a cigar, and a lighted candle. Still, having a variety of equipment helps add to the aura of the whole experience. However, just owning a paddle, a flogger, and a set of nipple clamps does not an S&M specialist make. Even if a guy owns all the requisite tools of the trade, a certain amount of knowledge and skill is required to use them in a proper fashion.

 

As an example, it is amazing how many supposed specialists don’t seem to have passed “Flogging 101”… that is why I believe that all S&M tops should experience the “other” side of the equation. The whole idea of a good flogging is to traverse that fine line between pain and pleasure… When the threshold is crossed, the pain ceases to be pleasurable… now this varies with each individual... and that is where expertise, perception, safe words, etc. come into play. Clearly, the whole concept is to maximize the pleasurable aspects of the scene by being able to prolong the flogging for as long a period as possible.

 

Now, if the flogging is started at too intense a level or the exact same area is flogged repeatedly over and over again the stamina level of the bottom can be challenged too soon and the scene often has to be curtailed… Too many tops don’t realize that by subtly adjusting the intensity and the area of the flogging it actually heightens the pleasure for the bottom by providing variety and introducing an element of surprise. To achieve this goal the top not only has to vary the timing, intensity, and area of the blows, but also might need to shrewdly and regularly change the position his own body so as to assure that the blows are striking the correct body areas with the requisite amount of force at the perfect point in time. When a top just stands in the exact same location and beats the exact same body parts with the exact same amount of force with the exact same interval of time between blows and that is all he seems capable of doing it is a unambiguous sign that in essence he does not know what he is doing. Now there is a time and place to beat the same area repeatedly, but such a scenario should be worked into a broader plan of attack that includes a multiplicity of maneuvers and tactics. As far as variety is concerned, many tops fail to realize that some gentle stroking with a flogger can be almost as much of a turn on as a wickedly hard whack especially when the tails are sensuously draped over the bottoms face so he can smell and relish the distinctive scent of leather.

 

Now there are times when a bottom needs and wants the “full treatment”… ultimately that is what a true bottom probably craves, however that “full treatment” should not only be delivered sensibly, but should come either toward the end of the session or be spaced rationally within the framework of a longer session… after which the activity should be changed to allow for a suitable period of recovery. Now along these lines a flogging should be delivered in a sane and logical manner not only to heighten pleasure, but also to maximize safety issues as well… done irresponsibly a flogging can certainly result in injury and harm. It certainly helps for the top to know the areas of the body that provide the most pleasure when beaten and areas that should be avoided either for safety reason or because they bruise easily. Knowing this is actually a no-brainer if a top has had experiences as a bottom. However as noted above, such is rarely the case. That is where experience and knowledge is so very important and unfortunately that is where many escorts fall short…

 

That is why choosing the correct S&M escort is so difficult and such a challenge… and why one often realizes a mistake was made when in the middle of a session… That’s where safe words are invaluable and that is why it is essential for the bottom to be in total control.

 

I certainly hope all the hot shot S&M top wannabes out there are monitoring this thread…

 

Additionally, it would be great for some experienced escorts and clients to jump into this discussion. Perhaps they can offer a discussion of “TT 101” and “CBT 101”, etc. or even provide some challenges to my thoughts regarding “Flogging 101”.

[Damascene]

I found a similar problem with escorts claim they are into advanced anal play like dildoes and fisting. They think getting the in is all it is about or your average fisting bottom can take it like a jackhammer right away. There is an art to anal play as to any S&M play.

 

I have suggested that one or two with promise that they take classes with GMSMA (the local NY LGBT BDSM group), but I doubt they ever did.

 

Side Note: On the discussion of lack in NY of good escort in the NY thread in the Deli. What cities have a good selection of BDSM? San Francisco seems a good number, but no idea of quality?

[uwsman2]

Yes, a discussion of the SM escorts in various cities might provide some incentives for client travel.

 

For example, does the guy who produces Shotgun videos in San Francisco ever take on customers outside of his filmmaking, and is he still in business? And what about the SF guy who used to advertise in the late Bound & Gagged magazine, the one with the hot picture of a guy all tied up Japanese style?

[Bilbo]

I do know that one of the past presidents of GMSMA is trained as a Sacred Intimate, but I don't know if he is practicing as one professionally. So, why am I telling you that I can't recommend him? It's relaxed here right now, after a nice church service and Sunday dinner, and I'm a little dizzier than usual? Is that it?

 

Also, to lighten up the discussion just a little, perhaps, (Beware the god who smiles!), I might mention that I had a man call me yesterday who wanted to consider booking me for a PSI (BDSM) session with his wife on Tuesday evening to celebrate her birthday. Bells and whistles, red flag on the play. Would any leather escort take seriously anyone who is not booking his/her own session? LOL

[whipped guy]

Uwsman2… your mention of the Shotgun series got me looking at their website. And that reminded me of two things. Shoot… due to the present dearth of S&M specialists… and seeing the types of scenes featured in these videos I have come to the conclusion that I have been not only out of practice but out of practice for way too long. In addition, it reminded me of a line I used in one of the several reviews I wrote for Reece. Something to the effect that I didn’t need to view porn because I had experienced something much better than I had ever seen in a mere video. Well, those days are long over!

 

And Bilbo… Your mention of the GMSMA hopefully will spark some further interest… Thanks!

 

PS: To Bilbo... I am sure you could write a very interesting, entertaining, and humorous book.

[Bilbo]

Thanks, Whipped. And you are not the first, even recently, to say that I might write a good book. And, I do have the ghosts of three friends whom I promised to eventually tell their story to contend with. However, they and I have made peace. They seem to be happy that I am writing 90% of the plays the children's theater I run produces, and write them with the dictate in mind, "Teach tolerance." Keeps me so busy that .... But maybe someday. --- I did tease somewhere else on this board lately that I might start up a blog and call it Not Necessarily The Truth. I mean, why do we assume that a blogger is always telling the truth, though sometimes disguised. I know if I were talking about some of my sessions, I would like to think that the authorities couldn't be sure I was telling the truth, since I had openly said that I sometimes lie on my blog, eh?

And now, back to our current thread....

Tits101 might start out, indeed they might all start out, with the same kind of a warning - Start out slowly and build! And work in Variety! (And learn how to do a vibrating bird dog grip that varies in intensity and doesn't feel like you're going to be tearing some precious things off of someone's body.) Oh, and never try to top anyone, even an experienced bottom, when you are tired or drunk.

[whipped guy]

Bilbo! Re: Tits101[/font color=blue]

 

Please expand your thoughts... We may learn something here!