Escort Travel and new airline security procedures

[Guest curious]

Just wondering what some of the escorts that travel frequently are going to do about the proposed airline security issues. If they actually implement what they have talked about, you will probably be walking red flags. Numerous flights to numerous locations paid for by numerous other individuals cross referenced to your driver license records, tax returns, criminal records, credit reports, social security/employment records and whatever other info they can pull up.

 

Guess you better start getting to that airport pretty early! Any thoughts on this subject- like what you might tell security when questioned?

[Guest chaz49wm]

Tell us about the new procedures there Curious cause we are too. What is the reference the news the ETC. Thanks

[Guest jeffOH]

Well, that's why it's best for the escort to pay for the plane ticket himself after receiving money for the ticket from the client. What would I tell security if questioned, well, I would say that I am a prostitute and I am on my way to see a client.}>

 

JEFF

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[Guest Derrick]

jeff, you make me laugh.

 

Well I agree the escort should pay for the ticket himself.

Its in the best interest of the escort to do so.

 

I also agree with sending your "toys/equip" ahead via US MAIL.

You do not want that exposed for everyone to see.

 

From a business mind: The demand for surveillance in this country

is as big if not bigger then supply can supply fast enough. They

are watching everything. Even if your not suspected of doing something

criminal, but something does not add up, which if any good forensic

accountant wanted they could see that little Billy who is a student

and only makes $3,000/yr. and is flying first class LA to NYC; someone

is bound to say/question something.

 

If I was going to give some advice to my fellow peers:

 

HAVE A COVER STORY.

 

 

Derrick

[+ deej]

<<The demand for surveillance in this country is as big if not bigger then supply can supply fast enough>>

 

Actually, the supply line is there. It's just always been illegal to use that data for surveillance purposes in the past. (I used to work in that field.)

 

It is *frighteningly* easy for airlines or the gov't to pull together a full profile on any traveller, including finances, past addreses and anyone else who lived at those addresses, and simply set a flag on your traveler profile. (This of course, is all done without human intervention. The only thing the lady at the gate knows is there's a flag.)

 

The flags will only go off if you're tripping one of the hot spots, like having a former roommate named Abdul who flies to Kandahar often and is on the "watch list". (I suppose you might get flagged if you often fly to a client at a suspicious location.)

 

They're screening for terrorists, not hookers.

[trilingual]

Thanks, Deej. Let's not stir up any more paranoia than necessary! Pre-paid tickets aren't uncommon, and I doubt that would stir up much notice. Security is going to be looking for people with Middle Eastern names or who have records of frequent travel there and stuff like that. That's not likely to apply to the vast majority of escorts in the U.S.

 

As for toys, don't sweat it. Just pack them in your checked luggage. They're opening bags these days (I just had a whole hassle at SFO on the way to Brazil by some overzealous young Russian immigrant that caused me to lose a flight, but that's a whole other story) Your toys will probably come to light, but there's no prohibition against them and I'm sure they'll give the security people plenty to gossip over on their breaks! ;-)

 

Business as usual, guys!!!

[Guest Bitchboy]

Well, this would all seem more acceptable and believable if it wasn't Asscrotch as Attorney General. Seems to me it could be a very good excuse for him to try to work his "christian" agenda into some kind of acceptable behavior. I wouldn't put it past this administration to use the terrorist situations to further their own "way of life." Scary times, dudes!

[jacobno]

In an effort to help out with the current crisis I am offering my services to you as a worrier. For just 50$ a day you can unload your worries on me and I'll stay on "High ALert" for you. Think of the burden that will be lifted off your shoulders. You can go about your day without a care in the world while I stay on "High Alert" for terrorism and plots by the Axis of Evil.

[+ deej]

As I said, they're screening for terrorists not hookers.

 

As for toys, do you honestly think you're the only person in history to go through that security checkpoint with the Jeff Stryker dildo in your carry on? :9 They've seen it all, and can probably tell you WHICH dildo it is just from the profile on the X-ray screen. }>

 

There are things you should think about. Pornstar Cole Tucker caused a bit of a flap a few years ago when traveling with a client (a British diplomat) and he was found to be carrying a couple of HIS OWN porn tapes into the UK. They are illegal there, or were then.

 

As long as you're sane about travel, you should be fine. But, really, that has always been the case.

[DaninWA]

Deej,

 

I completely disagree with you on this. They are not just looking for terrorists. I travel frequently on business. Since 9/11, I have had trouble at the security checkpoint repeatedly. The metal detector goes off when I go through it, even though I have removed my belt and everything from my pockets. Then I get "wanded" and that beeps at various places along my body. I then get pulled into a security room where I have to undress down to my underwear, so they can search my clothes. They never find anything because there isn't anything to find.

 

This has happened to me 6 times since 9/11 and it's getting old real fast. I've missed 3 flights as a result of this. My father is Dutch and my mother is Irish. I don't look even remotely like someone from the Middle East. If that sounds racist, tough.

 

I wouldn't mind so much if it was one of the cute soldiers who searched me, but that never happens. If I complain about it, noone cares. "It's the price we pay for safety."

 

I repeat, they are not just looking for terrorists. They have power now and the license to use it. As a result, abuse is inevitable.

 

Dan

[phage]

I think they really are just looking for terrorists. It’s just that due to misguided political correctness, they aren’t allowed to use racial profiles. That is why they have to pay as much attention to you as they would to an obviously Arabic person. I’m sure they are strip-searching old ladies when the metal detectors go off.

 

Until gay boys start pulling off suicide missions, I doubt they really care why an escort is traveling. Besides, isn’t our mantra that “paid companionship is legal”?

[+ deej]

Dan, I understand about being inconvenienced.

 

What you are experiencing is localized and random searches, not the data-based profiling I was talking about.

 

I've been flying on business regularly for the last 15 years. Last time I went through O'Hare (my first flight since 9/11) I had a pair of cuticle scissors in my shaving kit. Didn't even know they were there. Probably still there from when I got it as a gift.

 

Well those deadly cuticle scissors triggered a rigorous hand search of my carry-on luggage and confiscation of the deadly cuticle scissors. The "wipe" of my shoes proved inconclusive so I had to walk around the airport in my socks while my penny loafers were run through the X-ray machine.

 

Then I was manually patted down, and then wanded. (And I did NOT set off the metal detector at all.)

 

Meanwhile, nobody asked a single question about the digital camera, Palm Pilot, cell phone, or WinCE palmtop computer or the various power supplies and spare batteries in my bag. Never even asked me to turn one of them on.

 

I think the current focus is at the gate and it should be elsewhere.

 

We're doing "more of the same" and it's inconvenient as hell and we still have people getting to the gate with guns and knives. They check ID's against boarding passes and a friend was on a flight that was pushing away from the gate when a woman suddenly realized she was on the wrong plane.

 

With all this great ID checking we can't even get people on the right plane?

 

What we're doing now clearly isn't working.

 

The data profiling I described will *reduce* reliance on underpaid and undertrained airport personnel.

 

That's just my opinion.

[DaninWA]

>Dan, I understand about being inconvenienced.

 

Deej,

 

With all due respect, I was strip-searched 6 times and nothing was found that would set off a metal detector. I would hardly call that an inconvenience.

 

You had to walk around in your socks. I was down to my underwear in a security room with 2 guards. For nothing.

[BgMstr4u]

Americans are so naive! Anyone who has traveled extensively in Western Europe (as I have) or Japan will know that the US hasn't even begun to use modern security technology. There is no point in being paranoid about the US beginning to use this stuff -- it is inevitable, and thank God it is beginning to happen here.

 

Years ago, when the IRA bombing was at its height, the British authorities realized that there really were NO markers for terrorists -- that they looked just like everyone else, and could actually change their accents. So, logically, they deduced that only a comprehensive surveillance network would have any chance of identifying these folks. As a result, virtually every corner of urban Britain is now covered with video cameras, which work much like bank and 7-11 convenience store cameras here. No matter where you are out in public, you are probably being recorded. I suspect that this is the case now in much of Western Europe.

 

In addition, the airport secruity in Britain is incredibly thorough. They did the sensible thing and asked Israel's El-Al to design it for them. You just are not going to get through Heathrow or Gatwick without being thoroughly scrutinized by some pretty well trained people.

 

Most Western Eurpoean countries have long since integrated electronic data networks. The American paranoid nonsense about not sharing data from various sources simply does not exist there. You swipe a card, and it goes in. Period.

 

These modes have greatly reduced crime and terrorism in Western Europe. They have faced terrorist bombings and other crime for years, both from within (the IRA in Britain, the Corsicans in France, the Basque separatists in Spain, etc.) and from without -- there are large middle eastern communities in most European cities and have been for years. The incidents still happen, but less frequently than they used to, and the perpetrators are almost invariably caught and brought to justice.

 

What is more important, these measures have made it unnecessary for the government to resort to the kind of over-the-top scare tactics that our government is finding necessary -- necessary here because the routinely used up-to-date techology which would identify these people in a timely way is simply not permitted here.

 

I say, bring it on. Without it, the Ashcrofts of this world are absolutely and legitimately obliged to abridge people's freedoms, because they are accountable for the public safety and they are not allowed the tools other civilized peoples give to law enforcement. Let America join the 20th century. Would that we could in other areas as well -- decent intercity trains and public transit and universal medical coverage being at the top of that list. But that's for another rant!

 

If you want privacy, arrange for it. There is nothing weird about a single guy taking a trip someone else has paid for. People have friends who pay for their tickets all the time. If you don't want money in other transactions to be traced, pay cash. That's what ATM's are for. Be sensible about what you carry, and if you must carry dildos, leather, collars, whips and chains, well, smile and tell them the truth: It's your little hobby. Smile again. Who knows -- you may find a friend.

[+ bigjoey]

until they start using profiles to decide who to check, the stupidity we have all seen will continue. i fly regularly and everyone i know has 80-year old lady stories where an 80-plus year old lady is picked to be the one given the third degree check while young middle eastern men walk right on through. this political correctness on who to check is just plain dumb; they need to look for people who match physically and behaviorily the patterns of past terrorists.

 

the exisiting trails that the government is following to piece together a picture of the 19 terrorists from 9-11 are there for any of us; new ways may make it easier but the information has always been there. for example, if the government wanted to go after men who hire escorts, it is not too dificult for them to know who has posted reviews and written in threads about hiring men; escorts have clearly written about acts that are not legal in many states (rick monroe will definitly have to avoid certain southern and midwestern states); we have all left an electronic trail.

 

the good news is that law enforcement agencies are so busy that they have little time to even begin to worry about us. could it happen? yes, and it did in germany (long before today's computer trails). in this country, before stonewall gays were harassed and gay books, magazines, plays, bars, etc. were all "underground" and not the openess we know today.

 

the worst that can happen is a little embarassment when the security personal check an escort's bags to discover toys, large quanities of lube and condoms(i guess you could always say you are on your way to donate the condoms to planned parenthood), videos, etc. however, many of the escorts i know would not be embarrased and perhaps use the moment to let the guard know that the escort's services are available and if the guard was interested there was time before the flight to do a quickie.

 

unfortunately, we will become like the rest of the world and learn to factor in extra time at airports, train stations, etc. we will only fondly remember the casual freedom we all had to run and catch a flight at the last moment. to traveling escorts, air flights will now be a pain in the ass(and not in a good way).

[Justice]

I haven't flow since before Sept. 11th, so I don't have an personal experience with the new security procedures. I keep reading about horror stories similar to Dan's. A couple of weeks ago, my local paper reported member of Michigan's congressional delegation was forced to stip to his boxers because his artificial hip set off the metal detector. Just this week, I read that a passenger was arrested in St. Louis when he attempted to reboard a flight, that had originated in New York, with three box cutters! I also read that the new instituted Olympics related security measures resulted in the arrest of a passenger who disregarded instructions to remain in his seat (he used the lavatory) for the last twenty minutes of a flight to Salt Lake City. (He allegedly made some sort of gesture with his hand when he returned to his seat. His fellow passengers were forced to keep their hands behind their heads by the US marshalls that accompanied the flight.) Security needs to be tightened. We don't want a repeat of Sept. 11th. However, it has to be done in such a way that keeps box cutters (and other potential weapons) off of planes and keeps innocent passenger from being strip searched.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>You had to walk around in your socks. I was down to my

>underwear in a security room with 2 guards. For nothing.

 

Just be thankful you were not going commando!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Bitchboy]

>I repeat, they are not just looking for terrorists. They

>have power now and the license to use it. As a result,

>abuse is inevitable.

>

>Dan

 

Absolutely, and anyone who thinks otherwise is foolish. It's irresponsible to pretend that a man who heads the legal arm of the government, a man who spent $8,000+ to cover up a stony bare breast considered by many to be art, is only looking to protect us from terrorism. The agenda is far more onerous than just that.

[Guest Bitchboy]

>In an effort to help out with the current crisis I am

>offering my services to you as a worrier.

 

You're far too cute for that. Just think how the worry lines alone will eat (so to speak) into your escort profits. I could suggest at least 15 other posters for whom the added wrinkles wouldn't be a problem at all.:-)

[DaninWA]

>Just be thankful you were not going commando!

>

>Thunderbuns

 

I think that's what I'll do from now on. I've decided to believe that the guards find me extremely attractive and just want to see me naked. Who knows, maybe I'll get lucky with one of the cute soldiers after all.}>

[+ deej]

<<Just this week, I read that a passenger was arrested in St. Louis when he attempted to reboard a flight, that had originated in New York, with three box cutters!>>

 

A few weeks ago, one of the terminals at SFO was evacuated because someone ran past the security checkpoint. The same thing happened in Atlanta a month before. At O'Hare, traces of explosives were detected on a man's shoes and he was allowed to escape by blending into the crowd. Our solution is to evacuate thousands of people and disrupt air traffic nation-wide rather than put someone at that checkpoint empowered to detain people.

 

In other words, we've solved the wrong problem. I fear that's what the entire airline industry is doing by applying "more of the same".

[DaninWA]

I've been traveling through Spokane, Minneapolis, and Indianapolis lately. There are armed soldiers at every security checkpoint in those airports and patrolling the terminals. I was certainly detained easily enough.

 

Are there no soldiers at SFO, O'Hare, and St. Louis?

 

Dan

[DaninWA]

Maybe they're all after me (and my cute ass).

 

[+ deej]

>I've been traveling through Spokane, Minneapolis, and

>Indianapolis lately. There are armed soldiers at every

>security checkpoint in those airports and patrolling the

>terminals. I was certainly detained easily enough.

>

>Are there no soldiers at SFO, O'Hare, and St. Louis?

 

Last time I went through O'Hare there weren't. There were in Vegas, but they certainly weren't paying attention (except to the cute chicks).

 

I'm sorry you got stopped, strip-searched, and missed flights. Perhaps next time you'll get to the airport earlier. Of course then you'll sail right through and have nothing to complain about and what would be the fun in that? :+

[DaninWA]

>I'm sorry you got stopped, strip-searched, and missed

>flights. Perhaps next time you'll get to the airport

>earlier. Of course then you'll sail right through and have

>nothing to complain about and what would be the fun in that?

>:+

 

Deej,

 

I get to the airport at least three hours before my flight. The inconvenience of missed flights is not the biggest concern.

 

Complaining is not fun. It's a pain in the butt and, often, a complete waste of time. Having said that, if I allowed situations like this to go by without protest, then they would continue and I would deserve whatever treatment I got.

 

The same could be said about your attempt at humor. Perhaps I am overly sensitive to this issue, but it appears that you are trying to make light of the problems I, and too many others, have experienced with airport security.

 

I hope you never have to go through what I have.

 

Dan