anti-Semitism

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

>Your own actions haven't exactly been saintly, Sister.

>

>Don't think it hasn't been noticed.

 

This is so ominous. It should be accompanied by dramatic music suitable to the Prime Time Moment when Good finally confronts Evil --"don't think it hasn't been noticed."

 

By whom exactly has her bad behavior "been noticed"? (nice passive use of the verb to omit who is doing the noticing - it's always THEM - the unseen but powerful ones - who act in the passive form, as in "you're being watched" and "your conduct has been duly noted"; very scary).

 

And what are the consequences of her unsantliness having "been noticed"?

[BewareofNick]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

TT, the M4M escort forum is actually a cover for a branch of the FBI, much like the X-Files. When deej speaks of ..them.., he is referring to the directors of the department. They notice posters who exhibit certain behaviors and select operatives for covert missions based on some unknown sets of criteria. You've notice how we have some posters who end up flaming out or seem to self destruct? That's how they are removed from the forum without raising suspicion. RUN ETHAN RUN!!!

[BewareofNick]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

I am sorry. This post was just a joke.

There is no government agency.

There is no them.

I have forgotten to take my meds.

I apologize for causing any problmes.

[BewareofNick]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

>For the record, I

>have many close friends who are Jewish, and I am dating an

>Israeli boy from NYC. I love and respect them all.

 

"I don't hate black people. Some of my best friends are black."

 

 

 

Words convey so much meaning, don't they? I suspect that those white robes the MTE wears may not be the garment she might like us to believe. That hat is a lot pointier than what most nuns wear.

[+ deej]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

<<And what are the consequences of her unsantliness having "been noticed"?>>

 

So far nothing. Just a message or two being deleted from the queue for libelous content.

 

Just enough to be a pain in our holy asses.

 

And now that BoN has truly spilled the rosary beads ... er .... beans, time to take care of *him*.

 

<evil chuckle>

[Guest 7Zach]

When I read the comment above, I took it to mean that he was making fun of your well publicized and oft-mentioned big dick, and that he was teasing you. But having been on the butt end of your continuing and consistent war hoop of "anti-semite", I wasn't surprised that you again make the charge. Perhaps if you were as sensitive to others' feelings, you might too change your behavior. And as far as labeling me racist, you only did so because you disagreed with my politics.

 

Finally, the comment about the swastikas on the butt - sure it may be offensive to you and probably others, but a lot of gays, regardless of their background, find such imagery prurient.

 

I wish that the boards would add one more discussion topic to the ones already in place, e.g., Deli, Daddy's Place, and that would be the one entitled "Ethan". And an alternative for you is to simply ignore messages you don't like, since that's your recommendation to anyone else that disagrees with you.

[Guest Father Fister]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

My hand is greased up. Who is ready for confession?

[Guest Mother Theresa Escort]

RE: yelling fire in a movie theater

 

Fair lambs, why have you turned to bloodthirsty piranha?

 

I have worked my gentile fingers to the bone, and still, that isn't enough? In addition to having Jewish friends, I have a black chauffeur (drives the parish Lexus), Latino groundskeeper (who allows me to stroke his uncut tool when Father Fister isn't looking), and the parish photographer (who can be seduced into taking nude shots) is Japanese. So, you see my sweet lambs, ALL of God's children are welcome here. And we all have to chip in to make this place the wonderful world of equality that it is.

 

His is the way, the truth, and the life. I'm simply His bitch with the pointy white robe. }>

[Guest DevonSFescort]

Some thoughts and questions prompted by this thread:

 

Whatever one thinks of the caliber of his other posts elsewhere -- and there have been many elsewheres -- when I read DCescortBOY original post that started this thread, I just don't think he's being unreasonable in this case. Mother Theresa Escort's comments in her rating, while probably not born out of a deeply felt hostility towards Jewish people, did essentially repeat anti-Semitic stereotypes used by Hitler and Jew-haters going back thousands of years. My guess is that MTE thought that because she was being campy it was okay. Maybe she even thought that based on her familiarity with Jewish culture -- she has an Israeli boyfriend, after all, and Jewish friends to boot! -- she was making an inside joke. In fact, let's say that none of MTE's Jewish friends would have been offended by that comment; she was practically speaking as one of the family. All that generously assumed, why was it important to dig in and deny anti-Semitism to a Jewish person who made it clear that he felt hurt by the remarks? To me it makes perfect sense that a Jewish guy with a small nose who has heard jokes about Jews and their big noses all his life might want to say something, and while DCescortBOY, as we all know, can be unnecessarily inflammatory, in this case he ended his post with a perfectly reasonable request.

 

MTE's response essentially tries to camp and dismiss its way out of the situation, offering no arguments against the ones DCescortBOY raised, feigning incomprehension due to grammar and syntax. Matt Vancouver steps in with a lot of interesting points that may have some application here but were actually referring to another incident (I think). DCescortBOY gets upset again about the SS uniforms. Etc.

 

If MTE thinks her remark was innocuous, what, to her, would be an example of clearcut anti-Semitism? What, to DCescortBOY, would be an example of overreacting or imagining anti-Semitism when it isn't there? Is there a litmus test of political stances one must take in order not to be an anti-Semite, or, for that matter, a racist? What do other people think?

 

Other questions: how important is it not to cause offense? If it's somewhat important, what are sufficient pains to take? Is racial, ethnic or religious offense in a "special category?" For example, is it okay to trash other escorts you've never met but not okay to make an anti-Semitic joke because you know it will piss off the guy who trashes other escorts? Is race-baiting something you "just don't do" because it turns out all's NOT fair on the message board? Or do you figure DCescortBOY is such an asshole in other respects that it's okay to play the Jew card with him?

 

When do you apologize?

 

I know my skin is much, much thicker re gay comments than when I first came out, and I am much happier for it. But on the other hand I needed to go through a time in my life when I was politicized around being gay, I think. The fires of moral outrage can do some good at a time when we're forming our identities, instilling a certain confidence that will come more naturally later. So I don't know that telling someone to just get a thicker skin is really practical advice. We grow the thicker skins over time without making a conscious effort to do so. My question is, should we take any kind of special pains when we're around the "thin-skinned" people, or should we just keep bumping up against them on the theory that it'll toughen 'em up?

[phage]

>So I don't know that telling

>someone to just get a thicker skin is really practical

>advice. We grow the thicker skins over time without making

>a conscious effort to do so. My question is, should we take

>any kind of special pains when we're around the

>"thin-skinned" people, or should we just keep bumping up

>against them on the theory that it'll toughen 'em up?

 

The problem occurs when someone is trying to have it both ways. If one is thin skinned and wants to be treated gently and with tact, he needs to proceed gently and with tact. A person can’t just decide to be combative in certain areas but hold other areas sacrosanct and expect people to respect those boundaries.

 

During any kind of confrontation, people will always push the buttons you give them. Anyone who has been here more than a week knows that Ethan is very touchy about this subject, so it may not be nice, but it should be no surprise that they push that particular button.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>The problem occurs when someone is trying to have it both

>ways. If one is thin skinned and wants to be treated gently

>and with tact, he needs to proceed gently and with tact. A

>person can’t just decide to be combative in certain areas

>but hold other areas sacrosanct and expect people to respect

>those boundaries.

 

Good point. Still, most of us don't make a point of bringing up the race or religion of someone we dislike for reasons that have nothing to do with their race or religion.

 

>During any kind of confrontation, people will always push

>the buttons you give them. Anyone who has been here more

>than a week knows that Ethan is very touchy about this

>subject, so it may not be nice, but it should be no surprise

>that they push that particular button.

 

I would actually reverse what you said. It may not be surprising that they push that particular button, but it sure isn't nice. Of course, your point is that DCescortBOY hasn't been nice in general, so he's asking for it. But this seems like weird territory to get into. If people think DCescortBOY's acting like an asshole, that's one thing, but why bring the Jews into it? I guess I'm saying that even by the standards of message center discourse, Jew-baiting or race-baiting are particularly ugly tactics.

[Guest cp8036]

Valid points Devon, and I agree with most.

 

Race, religion, or ethnicity should never be used to hurl an insult against someone, even if the person is unpleasant. Many of the insults or attacks on this site are sarcastic, and should be taken in context. However, references to things racial or religious have only one context -- hate.

 

Phage has a good point as well. Someone that asks (rightly so) for certain hurtful comments to cease, needs to consider the content and tone of some of his attacks. Telling someone to die could be funny or campy, but Ethan's tone is never funny.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

read my thread devoted to devon & tell me i'm not funny :-)

[Guest cp8036]

It's not funny.

[Matt_Vancouver]

> why was it

>important to dig in and deny anti-Semitism to a Jewish

>person who made it clear that he felt hurt by the remarks?

>To me it makes perfect sense that a Jewish guy with a small

>nose who has heard jokes about Jews and their big noses all

>his life might want to say something, and while DCescortBOY,

>as we all know, can be unnecessarily inflammatory, in this

>case he ended his post with a perfectly reasonable request.

>

 

 

Good point, I think the reason it's dismissed as yet another Ethan rant, is because his accusations are sometimes unfounded. If this were the first comment Ethan ever made about it, the reaction would probably be different. But there have been many incidents where he has made giant leaps from innocent comments by others, accusing then of being anti-semetic when there was no indication of anything of the sort. Like I said in my post, 'post when it's warranted,' it will be heard loud and clear

 

>When do you apologize?

 

right now. Ethan and anyone else who is unintentionally hurt by anything I've said, I'm sorry. I can't possibly understand what anyone else feels, I'm not in their head, I don't have the same experiences to draw from. What might hurt one person, whether intentional or not, might not hurt anyone else, but that doesn't diminish the pain. So I am sorry.

 

I will not, however, apolagize for things I've said that were wildly misinterpreted.

My posts are usually pretty clear and don't have any hidden messages.

Saying I've found a uniform sexy, does not mean I agree with what a person wearing said uniform believes, nor does it diminish my compassion and understanding, of what that uniform represents to others.

Making a connection between my finding an SS uniform physically sexy, and agreeing with babies being thrown into ovens... is a pretty major assumption. Not to mention that the post said "at fetish parties there are some men wearing SS uniforms", which somehow got turned into "nazi parties".

I have never posted anything that was intentionally hurtful towards any group, race, religion or belief, so there is no grounds for making that kind of assumption. Of course this doesn't mean that the way Ethan felt, after reading that post, is irrelevant. He was hurt, whether intentional or not, and for that I am sorry.

 

> My question is, should we take

>any kind of special pains when we're around the

>"thin-skinned" people, or should we just keep bumping up

>against them on the theory that it'll toughen 'em up?

 

Ethan has never shown any indication of being 'thin-skinned', quite the opposite. He is particularly sensitive to things he is passionate about, but he is not in the least bit 'thin skinned'

 

Matt(attempting to clarify)