Looking For A Lawyer In Rio

[dcguy]

I've been reading this board for the past two years. I went to Brazil, not knowing anything, because this guy named Tri wrote these amazing stories and I had to find out for myself.

 

To make a long story short, I too feel in love with the people and the country.

 

Now I want to purchase an apartment I found in Flamingo. I need a lawyer to help with all the paperwork. I don't speak or read Portuguese.

 

I am kinda nervous, this is a big step for me and I don't want to screw it up. If you have any suggestions for a good honest lawyer, please get back to me.

 

P.S. I love reading about all of your adventures, you've taken me way past my comfort level

 

DCGuy

 

 

The greatest thing is just to love and be loved in return

[Funseeker 22]

"And Another one Bites the Dust" ! :-)

I`m sure you`ll hear back from Tri.

Good Luck !. I met similar people on my last trip attempting to do the exact same thing.

[trilingual]

I suggest you get in touch with Carlo Romanus. He can refer you to a reliable lawyer who knows real estate law. I believe some other M4Mers who've purchased here have gotten referrals from Carlo. His lawyers were kind enough to look over my lease documents for the place I'm renting (with an eye to purchasing when I can tap my IRA) and were very helpful in providing me language to negotiate a more favorable lease than the standard landlord-drafted one I might otherwise have been stuck with! In this case I never met the lawyers, so I don't know their names. They just e-mailed me the information I needed through Carlo. For a purchase you'll have to get together with an attorney because your attorney will have to do a title search for you to be sure the seller really has authority to sell the property and that there aren't any liens or inheritance claims against the property.

 

I'm sure some other M4Mers have used lawyers locally to buy their places in Rio and can recommend some names. Also, if you go through the thread on "Permanent Visa," someone posted the link to the Martindale-Hubble legal directory that has listings of prominent Brazilian law firms, so you can look through that to find one that specializes in real estate law.

[xchris]

I used the services of a very good lawyer. Send me an e-mail and I will give you details and address. My apt is in Flamengo, too. We can share ideas and news.

 

CHRIS

[Doug69]

>

>I used the services of a very good lawyer. Send me an e-mail

>and I will give you details and address. My apt is in

>Flamengo, too. We can share ideas and news.

 

Chris - Thanks very much for the tip. I met today with Wellington, the lawyer in Centro whom you recommended. He knows everything, can get everything done, and is actually quite hilarious and very gay-friendly to boot.

 

Anyone looking for a seasoned, reliable, but reasonably priced lawyer (with, most importantly, great contacts to "get things done") should definitely contact Chris (or, now, me) for the referral. He doesn't speak English, so if you don't speak Portuguese, you should bring someone who does.

 

I spoke with him about business matters and immigration/visa issues, and he was extremely knowledgeable and helpful. I didn't ask, but my guess is that he's a general civil practitioner with knowledge of most areas.

[Doug69]

>

>I used the services of a very good lawyer. Send me an e-mail

>and I will give you details and address. My apt is in

>Flamengo, too. We can share ideas and news.

 

Chris - Thanks very much for the tip. I met today with Wellington, the lawyer in Centro whom you recommended. He knows everything, can get everything done, and is actually quite hilarious and very gay-friendly to boot.

 

Anyone looking for a seasoned, reliable, but reasonably priced lawyer (with, most importantly, great contacts to "get things done") should definitely contact Chris (or, now, me) for the referral. He doesn't speak English, so if you don't speak Portuguese, you should bring someone who does.

 

I spoke with him about business matters and immigration/visa issues, and he was extremely knowledgeable and helpful. I didn't ask, but my guess is that he's a general civil practitioner with knowledge of most areas.

[+ Lucky]

Doug 69 is in Rio?

[+ Lucky]

DCGuy...you have not followed up on what happeneed in your search for an apartment and a lawyer. Perhaps you could befriend trilingual and get some help from him. Just don't be trashing tri under another screen name, though, as that would be tacky.

[dcguy]

I was in Rio last week, I found a lawyer, put a bid on an apartment in Flamingo and hope to sign the final paperwork this week. It has been a real roller coaster. Still trying to learn all the ropes, any help is appreciated.

 

DCGuy

[trilingual]

Congratulations on your new apartment, Doug!

 

A neighborly word of advice, though: DON'T treat any of the working guys you will undoubtedly be meeting in Rio with the sneering condescension and contempt you so frequently dispense on other posters on M4M, and don't call them w*h*o*r*e*s in Portuguese or English or any other language. The working guys in Rio may not have much formal education, but they have post-doctoral degrees in street smarts, and they know when they're being dissed.

 

In many other postings I've pointed out the need for visitors and expatriate residents to treat EVERYONE they meet in Brazil with the utmost dignity and respect. Not doing that can easily violate the extremely strong senses of honor and dignity that exists in all Latin cultures, and even the nicest, sweetest guy can turn into a mortal enemy (in the literal meaning of the words) if he senses your contempt and disdain. If you don't want to be treated to one of those famous one-way favela tours, I hope your demeanor in Brazil will be much different than what it has so often been on M4M. Just treat everyone you meet in Brazil the same way you wish to be treated, and you'll have a life-changing experience there, as so many other M4Mers have had!

 

Good luck in your new home!

[Doug69]

>Congratulations on your new apartment, Doug!

 

You're barking into the wrong hole, Trilingual, which will happen every time you listen to, let alone get persuaded by, the fevered old rantings of Lucky.

 

IF I were going to own an apartment in Rio - and I'm not saying I do or I don't - it sure as hell wouldn't be in some out-of-the-way, isolated, suburban-like hellhole that is in Zona Sul by name only, solely by virtue of geographic accident. You'll find my Brasilian residence, if I have one, exclusively in Ipanema (and also not in that decaying hanging-on part of Copacabana behind the equally decaying, wretchedly overdone Copacabana Palace where I understand one can find some of our aging wannabe-Carioca members).

 

And, you should at least know that if I got something to say, I ain't creating some other screen name to hide behind in order to say it. I've posted several extremely informative things in this section under my name. Why would I need to invent a new one to talk about finding a lawyer? Lucky's speculation always takes about a milisecond of thought to reject as idiocy. You should try it some time.

 

>A neighborly word of advice, though: DON'T treat any of the

>working guys you will undoubtedly be meeting in Rio with the

>sneering condescension and contempt you so frequently dispense

>on other posters on M4M, and don't call them w*h*o*r*e*s in

>Portuguese or English or any other language. The working guys

>in Rio may not have much formal education, but they have

>post-doctoral degrees in street smarts, and they know when

>they're being dissed.

 

Speaking of condescension, you may want to try writing a post sometime without it. One of the things I like best about Cariocas is that they dispense with the sort of pretense and fluffy, lofty, effete obfuscation that passes for discussion among so many around here, especially in this part of the Board.

 

The only truly offensive material I've ever read on this Board is the stuff posted in this Section about how Rio is some sort of "paradise" superior to other places (which it is for the fat middle-class/rich Western tourist, but not for the millions and millions of human beings living in truly wretched, hopeless, violence-drenched poverty), or how the sauna boys aren't prostituting themsleves because they're desperate for cash, but instead, are really just respectable, enlightened young men who enjoy what they are doing at the saunas and are working there because they actually like it and it's a great way to make some extra cash.

 

Many of the people in this forum who talk about the joys of "Mother Brazil" disgustingly look at it as some sort of amusement park for Western tourists. They see the money-hungry favela boys in the saunas as the rides, and they completely de-humanize them and lie to themselves about the situation they're in, all in order to pretend that the sauns boys are not being nice and charming to the fat Western tourists because they're in desperate need of the cash to eat and live (no, that can't be it!), but instead, because the boys are just super enlightened, charming young men who love to hang out with fat old bald gringos.

 

If there is ANY type of attitude you ought to be warning people against expressing, it's that one. I've read some of those types of posts to some Cariocas - including some basically straight ones - who found themselves HAVING to work in saunas in order to help support their families, and the anger and disgust they expressed was like nothing I've ever seen.

 

 

> If you don't want to be treated to one of those

>famous one-way favela tours, I hope your demeanor in Brazil

>will be much different than what it has so often been on M4M.

 

Listen up, Trilingual - give your sermons to someone who is interested and needs it, like the throngs of fat tourists who populate this section of the Board and spew out the kind of offensive, delusional shit about Rio which I just described.

 

I will acknowledge - and have acknwledged in the past - that you've done an excellent job with this section, compiling what probably is the most thorough and valuable collection of information about traveling to and/or living in Rio for estrangerios as any venue on the Internet which I've seen. It's been used in lots of ways by lots of people I know and by me.

 

You may be a queen in Rio, but you're not the Queen of Rio. Don't assume that you've been in Rio longer, or know more Cariocas, or are doing more there, or are more entrenched there, than everyone else on the planet or in this forum. Lots of poeple whom you're never-endlingly lecturing are more engrained in the place and know a lot more about it than you do, and these types of unsolicited, extremely simplistic sermons on the need to be nice to Cariocas - at least when directed to people who don't need them - just make you look pompous.

 

>Good luck in your new home!

 

LUCKY - You owe Trilingual a deep apology for leading him into this idiotic error.

[trilingual]

Um, if anyone committed an error, it was you, Doug, when you gave away your double (and possibly multiple) identity in this very thread by posting about your apartment under two different screen names!

 

As for "mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the most condescending, scornful and vitriolic of them all?" readers can judge for themselves.

 

I'm just pointing out that real life in Brazil is very different than Internet life on a virtually unmoderated web forum. The stuff you get away with on M4M can cost you your life in Rio. I realize many people use the Internet to behave in ways they never would in the "real" world, and I hope that's the case with you, because I don't want anything bad to happen to ANYONE who goes to Brazil or elsewhere in Latin America because of Escorts South.

 

And while it's true that I hardly have a monopoly on knowledge about Brazil or Latin America (there are nearly 500,000,000 Latin Americans who know more than I do!) I seem to be one of the few knowledgeable people posting about our little segment of Latin-American life and culture on the Internet in English. And I have yet to meet anyone whose gone "wrong" during their visits to Latin America because of anything I've posted here over the years. Some people who've decided not to follow my advice because they decided they knew it all, even if they'd never before been South of Minneapolis, have run into problems. So I'm perfectly willing to stand my knowledge and experience against yours, any day of the week, snookums! But as I said, I hope your on-line behavior isn't the same as your off-line behavior, and that you have actually have a wonderful life in Rio!

[+ Lucky]

You are the one, Doug, that forgot to change screen names when you re-posted! And you're always calling ME stupid!

 

BTW, try not to exploit the local hairy studs in Rio by videotaping their sex performances at a pittance and trying to make money on it back home, okay? No exploitation, right?

[Doug69]

>You are the one, Doug, that forgot to change screen names

>when you re-posted! And you're always calling ME stupid!

 

I have a residence in Rio. I'll be happy to provide verification that it's not in Flamengo - as you've both stupidly suggested - as long as:

 

(1) you bet a substantial amount of money that the person posting about buying the apartment in Flamengo is not me; and,

 

(2) you promise to come here and humbly admit your error.

 

The idea that I posted under some other name by accident - TWICE in the same thread, for absolutely no reason - is really too stupid to believe, even for the two "gentleman" who have come to believe it.

[dcguy]

I am so sorry, I just read all the comments on my posting. I am not Doug, nor do I know Doug.

 

I just a guy trying to find an apartment in Rio.

 

Sorry

 

DCGuy

[Doug69]

>I am so sorry, I just read all the comments on my posting. I

>am not Doug, nor do I know Doug.

>

>I just a guy trying to find an apartment in Rio.

>

>Sorry

 

You have nothing to apologize for. There are some guys around here wallowing in lonliness and insanity with nothing better to do than to accuse other people of things without having any basis for it whatosever.

 

It's a shame that people in this forum like you come here seeking information and get caught up in these sorts of things. If anyone owes an apology, it's them, but since they won't give one, I'll apologize for them.

 

Good luck with your new apartment and your life in Rio! If they do bet me and I need your help to win, I'll split the proceeds with you.

[+ Lucky]

I have never suggested that you have an apartment in any area. But it was beyond pathetic that you posted under your alias again to try to dispel the proof of your stupidity!

[Guest dreynsol]

>>>

The only truly offensive material I've ever read on this Board is the stuff posted in this Section about how Rio is some sort of "paradise" superior to other places (which it is for the fat middle-class/rich Western tourist, but not for the millions and millions of human beings living in truly wretched, hopeless, violence-drenched poverty), or how the sauna boys aren't prostituting themsleves because they're desperate for cash, but instead, are really just respectable, enlightened young men who enjoy what they are doing at the saunas and are working there because they actually like it and it's a great way to make some extra cash.

<<<

 

Go back and read my "Confessions of a Sauna Boy" post and you'll learn that the sauna boys all have different reaons for being there. Yes, there are some who are there because they are desparate for cash. But there are many others that can afford steroids, have nice clothes, and one that even has an apartment in Barra Tijuca at a price that I might not be able to afford.

 

So before you start generalizing about the life of sauna boys, maybe you should survey a few more. Or is Doug96 going to appear as a sauna boy to post next.

 

Some of us have respect for their lives and their culture. You obviously have neither. And, I can't imagine why you would want to live there, except as Lucky alluded, maybe to further your porn business.

 

- Drey

 

BTW, some of us have found an alternative forum that we have been posting on because of the likes of you. If you do come there with that point of view, please click the 'Back' button.

[Doug69]

>Go back and read my "Confessions of a Sauna Boy" post and

>you'll learn that the sauna boys all have different reaons

>for being there.

 

Right, I'm sure they all do have different reasons, but to deny that the vast majority of them are there because they live in horribly poor conditions and therefore have to get fucked or let old guys suck their dick for $20 is to deny reality. Do you deny that?

 

Whatever the reasons they have for being there, finding it fun and great to hang out with fat old bald gringos (to use Big Daddy's description of himself) and having to pretend to find them hot and attractive isn't one of them.

 

So when guys like Big Daddy talk about what a "paradise" Rio is, he's talking about what it's like for the fat Western tourist, not for the vast majority of people who live there, and certainly not for the sauna boys who have to endure licking his back and then having him come here to boast about how he gave the cab driver a $2 and how happy and grateful he was for it.

 

Yes, there are some who are there because

>they are desparate for cash.

 

How nice of you to acknowledge their existence. Is Rio a "paradise" for them?

 

there are many others that

>can afford steroids, have nice clothes, and one that even has

>an apartment in Barra Tijuca at a price that I might not be

>able to afford.

 

I never said anything to the contrary. What would their lives be like if they weren't having to prostitute themselves to American and European tourists?

 

Why is it so hard for you to admit that the young guy you're paying $20 doesn't REALLY find you hot and attractive, and isn't REALLY choosing to be with you - but is only there becuase you're paying him $20 that he really needs? Why do you have to deny reality in order to enjoy it?

 

>Some of us have respect for their lives and their culture.

 

I don't think it's very respectful of someone's life and culture to lie about it and pretend that it's something other than what it is because you feel guilty and ashamed. The young Cariocas to whom I read Big Daddy's posts didn't find it respectful at all. Quite the contrary.

 

>And, I can't imagine why you

>would want to live there, except as Lucky alluded, maybe to

>further your porn business.

 

You're the one who sees Rio as a place to go to pay guys $20 to have sex with you, not me, remember?

 

>BTW, some of us have found an alternative forum that we have

>been posting on because of the likes of you.

 

What are you doing here answering my posts then?

 

If you do come

>there with that point of view, please click the 'Back'

>button.

 

I can't think of any reason at all why I'd ever want to visit a place filled with people like you and Big Daddy who want to live in your sick, insulting fantasy world about Brazilians and not hear any dissenting viewpoints - except for the fact that you asked me not to come there, which almost ensures my imminent arrival.

[Guest dreynsol]

I anxiously await your imminent arrival and we'll be sure to roll out the black carpet for you! :-) Until then, you're quite clueless aren't you. Sort of like your perspective of Brazil.

 

- Drey

[Doug69]

>Sort of like your perspective of

>Brazil.

 

Right - where the streets are paved in gold; where hot 20-year-old guys don't care about looks, money or age and just really get off on hanging out with fat old gringos; and where nobody is homophobic and where you can stroll down the streets of Zona Norte holding hands with your gay lover and have rose peddles thrown at your feet.

 

Yes, I'm trying to learn so much more about Brazil. That's what I've learned so far from reading this forum. So educational.

[trilingual]

In that case, it's abundantly clear that you've read virtually NOTHING that's been posted here in the last five years, or if you have, that you've understood none of it. With your anger, insensitivity, condescension and contempt, not to mention the permanent blinders that prevent you from seeing anything human or worthwhile in anyone or anything except yourself, you are cruisin' for a bruisin' in Brazil, cupcake! Keep it up and that one-way favela tour might happen sooner than you think! Because it becomes increasingly obvious that the way you treat people here on M4M is the way you treat (or will be treating) the people you meet in Brazil. Although I would hate to see that happen to anyone who truly loves Brazil and the Brazilians (which are really one and the same thing) my heart would bleed cold borscht if it happened to a nasty, selfish and utilitarian creep whose ONLY interest in Brazil is exploiting the country and its men for his own interest, without EVER giving anything back to them or to Brazil in return. Which, I am tremendously glad to say, is not the case with 99% of the M4M Escorts South regulars, most of whom first learned about Brazil from this site, have grown to love it and find their lives changed by it, and have given back to it in many and various ways, all of which would be beyond your ken. Muito triste, mesmo, você. :-(

[Doug69]

>In that case, it's abundantly clear that you've read

>virtually NOTHING that's been posted here in the last five

>years . . .

 

I wish that were true. Unfortunately, the truth is that I've read offensive post after offensive post here, year after year, from old, selfish guys talking about Rio as though it's their own private playground, where both the city and the human beings living in it exist for their personal pleasure - a lot like the characters who dress up at Disney World - where they get to go with a wadful of Monopoly money and can't believe all the great things they can get the people there to for tiny amounts of cash.

 

The part that makes it so unbearably grotesque is how blindly self-centered and selfish they are. Because they can't believe their great, dumb luck in being from a place with strong currency and relative wealth, they think that all of Brasil is nothing more than the tiny little slice of distorted reality in which they encage themselves, and in the process, completely de-humanize and distort the entire place that they claim, in the most juvenile and dishonest way possible, to love.

 

Going to a city, confining yourself to one tiny gay precinct and then paying everyone around you to do what you want, and then thinking that you've actually done something for anyone (other than yourself) or gotten to know the people or the place, is the absolute depth of selfish delusion.

 

>With your anger, insensitivity, condescension and contempt,

>not to mention the permanent blinders that prevent you from

>seeing anything human or worthwhile in anyone or anything

>except yourself, you are cruisin' for a bruisin' in Brazil,

>cupcake! Keep it up and that one-way favela tour might happen

>sooner than you think!

 

Yet more proof - as if it were needed - that your whole life is driven by fear ("The Nazis are coming! Leave the country! Daddy is watching, and he'll punish you! You're going to be attacked! The favalas will get you!"), just like the neurotic old little grandmother you aspire and/or are destined to be.

 

I've spent at least 10 weeks in Brasil for each of the last 6 years. I've spent 6 months there in 2 of those years, including this one. Companies in which I have an interest and with which I work currently employ 16 Brasilians full-time and 8 part-time. That number has increased every year and I intend for it to continue to increase. The most important person in my life, who has been that for quite some time, is a life-long Carioca who grew up in extreme (but, for Rio, quite common) poverty.

 

I know that pales in comparison to the horny selfish tourists populating this Board who come to Rio and head straight for the suanas, Le Boy, and Garota de Ipanema - both in terms of knowledge of Brasil and the propensity to "give back" - but it should, if nothing else, expose, even to you, the utter stupidity of your never-ending, quite bigoted lectures about one-way trips to the favela.

[Guest Jake]

I first came to Brasil (and Rio) 18 years ago and fell in love with the country and the people (without knowing a thing about the sexual/sauna scene), have done significant business here, have spent a significant amount of time here for the last six years - the majority of time the last several - and have also had a wonderful brasiliero boyfriend for some while. And so what! I'm one lucky guy. I also happen to have a wonderful casa in Copacabana which I personally prefer to Ipanema. I don't read or post here much anymore - primarily to avoid the thankfully few bitter, cynical, controlling, egotistical, grandiose (and insecure?) people that contaminate this board.

[Doug69]

>I first came to Brasil (and Rio) 18 years ago and fell in

>love with the country and the people (without knowing a thing

>about the sexual/sauna scene), have done significant business

>here, have spent a significant amount of time here for the

>last six years - the majority of time the last several - and

>have also had a wonderful brasiliero boyfriend for some while.

> And so what! I'm one lucky guy.

 

If any of this were true, then you would know how false, self-centered, misleading and delusional are the descriptions here of Rio by the sex tourists who see it as some sort of Gay Disneyland.

 

>I don't read or post here much anymore - primarily

>to avoid the thankfully few bitter, cynical, controlling,

>egotistical, grandiose (and insecure?) people that contaminate

>this board.

 

Gee, the Board lost a guy who used to fill up the forum with tales of how he cheated on his wife, deceived her by hiring escorts while hiding in the closet, and then going out at night to Black Parties dressed in leather costumes and sleazing around all night.

 

How will the Board recover from the loss of such a noble and unique character?