What is your favorite guilty pleasure?

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

>1) holding hands with my boyfriend on the beach at sunset

>2) scrubbing pots at local soup kitchen

>3) bringing special treats to the puppies at the ASPCA

>4) wrapping presents for orphans on Christmas Eve

 

We have very similar pleasures. I like to scrub the asses of orphans with brillow pads, stick my boyfriend's hands up puppies, and spike the soup at homeless kitchens with bumps of crystal myth.

 

It's almost an exact replica of your list. I didn't realize we had so much in common.

[Traveller]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

>and spike the soup at homeless kitchens with bumps

>of crystal myth.

>

 

WD,

 

One of the great pleasures I experienced recently was placing the razor blades in the apples at T2's house for the trick-or-treaters. He had a much cleaner technique than me.

 

Later.

[Will]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

And it's such a boon to those of us who believe that children should be seen but not heard.

[Will]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

some of my guilty pleasures are:

>

>1) holding hands with my boyfriend on the beach at sunset

>2) scrubbing pots at local soup kitchen

>3) bringing special treats to the puppies at the ASPCA

>4) wrapping presents for orphans on Christmas Eve

>

 

But, WD, why are those pleasures "guilty" pleasures?

 

Some of mine are (and they really do make me feel guilty):

 

1. Hot fudge sundaes

2. Going to the movies on a weekday afternoon

3. Staying in bed on a Saturday morning to read

[Rick Munroe]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

Lately, TruthTeller has been educating & mentoring, and now Will is showing his darker side.

What's next...Traveller telling us about all the ways he likes to get his ass eaten?

[Guest jeffOH]

>Donnie,

>

>Let me get this straight now. I'm trying to keep my flow

>chart up to date. exFratBoy is FFF, who is also Jason Coxx.

> T2 and reg are the same person, and are arguing with

>themselves on this post. In addition, they are also delhi,

>creosote, cassius, clemencee and Pickwick. Every now and

>then, according to exFratBoy, they are also Lucky. The piece

>that was missing for me was the other identity that you had.

> Was it T2?

 

Upon further evaluation, T2 is NOT a part of the Pickwick Gang(which

includes Regulation, delhi, creosote, lambchop, cassius, clemencee and

possibly a couple of others).

 

Not so sure that exFratboy is FFF, perhaps phage?? It keeps things interesting trying to figure out who's who.

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest TruthTeller]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

>Lately, TruthTeller has been educating & mentoring, and now

>Will is showing his darker side.

 

Not to worry - here's Will's list of "guilty pleasures" that he posted:

 

<<1. Hot fudge sundaes

2. Going to the movies on a weekday afternoon

3. Staying in bed on a Saturday morning to read>>

 

The darkness was fleeting indeed. The happy face is back.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

>1. Hot fudge sundaes

>2. Going to the movies on a weekday afternoon

>3. Staying in bed on a Saturday morning to read

 

I spoke too soon.

[Guest man2man4u40]

Come on guys! :o

 

This was supposed to be a fun post. Instead it's morphed into another one of those online, soap opera-like, s/he said-s/he said discussions.

 

Enough already! x(

 

How about some more of those guilty pleasures? :9

 

Nothing else!! Or I'll send you to your room before I put on that tape of the Mr. Venezuela contest.

[Guest CraigSF39]

> bombing muslims

 

I AGREE with CTDick, this is not funny and TOTALLY offensive. How dare you, you racist. we are NOT at war with Muslims. Only with the terrorists. It's totally racist to say that you want to kill muslims,

 

do you have any nice lynching and Auschwitz jokes also, racist dog?

[Guest CraigSF39]

>Believe me, I share your antipathy for the self-anointed

>homosexuals who seek to impose a Gay Orthodoxy - both

>political and social - on anyone or anything remotely gay.

>The political orthodoxy takes the form of the most extreme

>politically correct liberalism/socialism that exists, and

>the related social orthodoxy entails an embrace of all

>things pseudo-elitist, pretensious, superficial, effeminate

>and tawdry - and a hatred for attributes of strength,

>masculinity, aggressivity and individuality.

 

i cant believe how right-wing the people on this board are! This sounds like Newt Gingrich. Conservatives would deny gays all rights and make us unequal. If your gay, how can you say these thngs??? This is like the Gay Republican Club or something.

[Guest WetDream]

RE: Widows Will Continue to Suffer

 

"How much are we giving to the widow's fund this holiday season?"

 

Sorry, Traveller, but I'm saving all of my extra pennies for the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering. And adding to my collection of postcards of Margaret Keene paintings.

[Guest WetDream]

RE: Sorry, Will

 

...but I didn't think I would have to put in one of those little faces on this one. So here goes:

 

:* :* :* :+ }>

[Guest WetDream]

Sorry, Jack, I did my best.:+

[phage]

Okay, I’ll play along with you ‘X Files’ groupies. "The truth is out there"...you got me. I’m the newest incarnation of FFF. Created just so I can mention “you-know-who” without facing stalking charges.

 

Yeah…right…I WISH I could write like that! However, I miss the Fang and his unique perspective, and now that he seems to have been effectively silenced (or just repelled) by the hysteria of the PC police, I hope that he IS posting under a new moniker.

 

I’ve made no secret that I enjoy and appreciate the ornery, aggressive, temperamental and highly opinionated posters. They make the board both humorous and informative even if I don’t agree with many things they say.

 

Say what you will, the Fang had opinions and he could back them up with some pretty good retorts.

[Guest regulation]

I am indeed TruthTeller as well as JeffOH. The problem is, both keep posting without my permission. When a man's own screen names won't obey him, what is this world coming to, this is what I want to know!

[Donnie]

>Yeah…right…I WISH I could write like that! >

 

You're sickening.

 

>Say what you will, the Fang had opinions and he could back

>them up with some pretty good retorts.

 

Too bad those Boys-in-the-Band snappy retorts lacked fact.

[Guest jeffOH]

>I am indeed TruthTeller as well as jeffOH. The problem is,

>both keep posting without my permission. When a man's own

>screen names won't obey him, what is this world coming to,

>this is what I want to know!

 

I know I am JeffOH(at least when I am on my anti-depressant and mood

stabilizer)and TruthTeller is a close cousin of NitPick's, but delhi,

creosote, cassius, clemencee and lambchop are all one-dimensional,

predictable, defective, retarded clones of NitPick. I find it quite amusing to speculate who's posting under numerous names. Especially

when some of the threads get a tad boring.

 

I suppose this has become one of my guilty pleasures. That and trying to get two cocks up my ass at the same time.}> And slapping on these silly faces just to irritate TT or whoever it was that said something about the Walmart smiley faces.:-) As far as phage and FFF...well, I think it was someone else who mentioned that first. It was my first thought when I read phage's initial post, but now I don't know. If phage is FFF, he is a somewhat kinder, gentler version. As far as FFF

being a good writer, I'll give him that. Crap can come wrapped up in some very nice tidy packages, but it's still CRAP!

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest jeffOH]

"...but delhi,

creosote, cassius, clemencee and lambchop are all one-dimensional,

predictable, defective, retarded clones of NitPick."

 

Sorry Reg, how could I have left out one of NitPick's more dominant

vocal personalities...you're most definitely the one who wears the pants in that madhouse of multiples. Rock on REG! }>

 

Jeff4hire@aol.com

[Guest JT]

What else? Sleeping with smart, hot, sexy, fun-loving, and good-looking escorts while I'm travelling alone on business trips! :9

 

JT (typing this while his partner's sleeping!) ;-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

The question is not 'What' but 'Who'.

 

Hmmmm.....

[Will]

RE: I'll Echo That...

 

T-Square, who could be darker than a man who feels guilty when he eats hot-fudge sundaes but not when he hands out razor-bladed apples to children?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Coudn't agree more with points 1 and 2.

 

with regard to (1) --

 

There is a difference - a fundamental difference - between being masculine and desperately needing to convince others of your masculinity. In general, anyone who has a need repeatedly to proclaim to others that they possess a certain attribute -- "I am X"; "I am X"; "REALLY, I am X" -- does so out of a fear that they lack X. Those who have a comfortable relationship to their own masculinity have no need to convince others that they are masculine. The need to convince others can arise only from a fear that others see that they lack it.

 

Interesting to observe the occasional overreaction by the few to innocuous comments apparently attributed as an attack on their masculinity -- sort of jumps out at you like a sore thumb.

[Guest SeaGuy]

I thought Traveller's comment was funny, non-PC, and honest. Which leads me to this article it reminded me of.

 

HYPOCRISY, HATRED

 

AND THE WAR ON TERROR

 

'If the US attacks were an assault on "civilisation", why shouldn't Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?'

 

The Independent - London, UK - Thursday, 8 November 2001

 

BY ROBERT FISK

 

"Air campaign"? "Coalition forces"? "War on terror"? How much longer must we go on enduring these lies? There is no "campaign" – merely an air bombardment of the poorest and most broken country in the world by the world's richest and most sophisticated nation. No MIGs have taken to the skies to do battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft guns manufactured around 1943.

 

Coalition? Hands up who's seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over Kandahar, or the Italian air force or the French air force over Herat. Or even the Pakistani air force. The Americans are bombing Afghanistan with a few British missiles thrown in. "Coalition" indeed.

 

Then there's the "war on terror". When are we moving on to bomb the Jaffna peninsula? Or Chechnya – which we have already left in Vladimir Putin's bloody hands? I even seem to recall a massive terrorist car bomb that exploded in Beirut in 1985 – targeting Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the spiritual inspiration to the Hezbollah, who now appears to be back on Washington's hit list – and which missed Nasrallah but slaughtered 85 innocent Lebanese civilians. Years later, Carl Bernstein revealed in his book, Veil, that the CIA was behind the bomb after the Saudis agreed to fund the operation. So will the US President George Bush be hunting down the CIA murderers involved? The hell he will.

 

So why on earth are all my chums on CNN and Sky and the BBC rabbiting on about the "air campaign", "coalition forces" and the "war on terror"? Do they think their viewers believe this twaddle?

 

Certainly Muslims don't. In fact, you don't have to spend long in Pakistan to realize that the Pakistani press gives an infinitely more truthful and balanced account of the "war" – publishing work by local intellectuals, historians and opposition writers along with Taliban comments and pro-government statements as well as syndicated Western analyses – than The New York Times; and all this, remember, in a military dictatorship.

 

You only have to spend a few weeks in the Middle East and the subcontinent to realize why Tony Blair's interviews on al-Jazeera and Larry King Live don't amount to a hill of beans. The Beirut daily As-Safir ran a widely-praised editorial asking why an Arab who wanted to express the anger and humiliation of millions of other Arabs was forced to do so from a cave in a non-Arab country. The implication, of course, was that this – rather than the crimes against humanity on 11 September – was the reason for America's determination to liquidate Osama bin Laden. Far more persuasive has been a series of articles in the Pakistani press on the outrageous treatment of Muslims arrested in the United States in the aftermath of the September atrocities.

 

One such article should suffice. Headlined "Hate crime victim's diary", in The News of Lahore, it outlined the suffering of Hasnain Javed, who was arrested in Alabama on 19 September with an expired visa. In prison in Mississippi, he was beaten up by a prisoner who also broke his tooth. Then, long after he had sounded the warden's alarm bell, more men beat him against a wall with the words: "Hey bin Laden, this is the first round. There are going to be 10 rounds like this." There are dozens of other such stories in the Pakistani press and most of them appear to be true.

 

Again, Muslims have been outraged by the hypocrisy of the West's supposed "respect" for Islam. We are not, so we have informed the world, going to suspend military operations in Afghanistan during the holy fasting month of Ramadan. After all, the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq conflict continued during Ramadan. So have Arab-Israeli conflicts. True enough. But why, then, did we make such a show of suspending bombing on the first Friday of the bombardment last month out of our "respect" for Islam? Because we were more respectful then than now? Or because – the Taliban remaining unbroken – we've decided to forget about all that "respect"?

 

"I can see why you want to separate bin Laden from our religion," a Peshawar journalist said to me a few days ago. "Of course you want to tell us that this isn't a religious war, but Mr Robert, please, please stop telling us how much you respect Islam."

 

There is another disturbing argument I hear in Pakistan. If, as Mr Bush claims, the attacks on New York and Washington were an assault on "civilization", why shouldn't Muslims regard an attack on Afghanistan as a war on Islam?

 

The Pakistanis swiftly spotted the hypocrisy of the Australians. While itching to get into the fight against Mr bin Laden, the Australians have sent armed troops to force destitute Afghan refugees out of their territorial waters. The Aussies want to bomb Afghanistan – but they don't want to save the Afghans. Pakistan, it should be added, hosts 2.5 million Afghan refugees. Needless to say, this discrepancy doesn't get much of an airing on our satellite channels. Indeed, I have never heard so much fury directed at journalists as I have in Pakistan these past few weeks. Nor am I surprised.

 

What, after all, are we supposed to make of the so-called "liberal" American television journalist Geraldo Rivera who is just moving to Fox TV, a Murdoch channel? "I'm feeling more patriotic than at any time in my life, itching for justice, or maybe just revenge," he announced this week. "And this catharsis I've gone through has caused me to reassess what I do for a living." This is truly chilling stuff. Here is an American journalist actually revealing that he's possibly "itching for revenge".

 

Infinitely more shameful – and unethical – were the disgraceful words of Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, to his staff. Showing the misery of Afghanistan ran the risk of promoting enemy propaganda, he said. "It seems perverse to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan ... we must talk about how the Taliban are using civilian shields and how the Taliban have harbored the terrorists responsible for killing close up to 5,000 innocent people."

 

Mr Isaacson was an unimaginative boss of Time magazine but these latest words will do more to damage the supposed impartiality of CNN than anything on the air in recent years. Perverse? Why perverse? Why are Afghan casualties so far down Mr Isaacson's compassion? Or is Mr Isaacson just following the lead set down for him a few days earlier by the White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who portentously announced to the Washington press corps that in times like these "people have to watch what they say and watch what they do".

 

Needless to say, CNN has caved in to the US government's demand not to broadcast Mr bin Laden's words in toto lest they contain "coded messages". But the coded messages go out on television every hour. They are "air campaign", "coalition forces" and "war on terror".

:+

[phage]

>You're sickening.

>

Sickening? Well, Donnie-boy, I’m flattered that a one-dimensional conspiracy theorist such as yourself has taken time out of his busy “Hunt for the Truth about FFF” to respond to my posting. It must be very boring for you now that you don’t have the Fang to obsess about. I’ll be happy to take his place, (I do what I can to be helpful.) but be forewarned, this is probably the last time I will ever respond to you. I have a very low tolerance for stupidity and I get bored very easily.