Athan's Response

[uwsman2]

I am curious about peoples' reactions to Athan's response to the review today. The reviewer talks about he and his partner having unprotected sex with Athan and then learning in subsequent conversation that he was HIV+. Athan claims he had thought he'd mentioned this to the reviewer and apparently had gotten things mixed up with another client conversation that he'd had. His response is a profuse apology.

 

I thought the response was very professional. The incident is quite unfortunate, and it's hard to conceive of circumstances under which it would be ethically acceptable for anyone who is HIV+, whether escort or client, to engage in anal sex without using condoms. Even if both parties are HIV+, the danger of infection with a different strain of the virus that may be resistant to the drug regimen that one of the parties is following is significant.

 

I would fault Athan for allowing anal sex to happen without being sure that the client knew he was HIV+, but I would also fault the client for not asking before engaging in anal sex.

[Boston Guy]

I thought Athan's response was professionally stated.

 

I think Athan's behavior -- and also the behavior of the two clients -- was based on poor judgment and lack of concern for the health of all concerned.

 

It doesn't matter if people think it's lecturing when you tell them that they shouldn't have unprotected anal sex. Clearly, at least some people (a) haven't gotten the message; (b) don't think it will happen to them; © don't really understand the consequences of getting this disease; or (d) just don't give a damn.

 

The clients willing topped another guy -- whose status they had not bothered to ask about -- without using condoms. Frankly, I fault them every bit as much as Athan. Assuming this was not an unusual thing for them -- and it sure doesn't sound like it from their review -- they could easily be HIV+ themselves without even knowing it. Hell, they might even be now, having been infected by Athan. People don't seem to get the message that you can contract HIV from one instance of unprotected anal sex. As soon as you have unprotected anal sex with someone, throw your last HIV test out the window -- it's no longer of use to you.

 

There have been roughly a million cases of AIDS in the US: AIDS, not HIV infection. Half of those people, roughly, are dead. About 50,000 new cases of AIDS are being reported annually. When you widen the numbers to include HIV/AIDS, the numbers double. Guess what population's statistics are on the increase? And guess why?

 

The young man who wrote the review thought he was doing people a service by writing to tell them that Athan was positive. And maybe he did. He'd do himself and others a much better service to state that he had learned his lesson that ANY partner can be HIV+ and that people lie about their status all the time. The only way to be safe is to play safe.

 

BG

[FinFangFoom]

Athan's response was spot on.

 

However........

 

The reviewer need to take a chill pill.

 

The reviewer felt the need to dash off to his doctor to get antiviral medication because he also sucked Athan's cock.

 

Gimme a fucking break. What an asshole. I just love how these guys in their 20's are all AIDS phobic yet they'll partake of high risk behavior like barebacking and then freak out afterwards. The reviewer feels "really inconvenienced by all of this." Well boo-fucking-hoo.

 

Anyone wanna take bets on the odds that this wasn't the first time the reviewer fucked a guy raw?

 

I recently had a friend who's in his 20's tell me he had gone out a few times with a guy (no sex yet) and that he liked the guy and was looking forward to bumping uglies with him but at dinner that night the guy shared with him that he was positive. This freaked out my friend because he wanted to do the guy but was weirded out because he'd "never had sex with a guy who was poz." After my eyes stopped rolling, I assured him that he had but he just hadn't known it at the time. My friend is a pig and the chances of all his tricks being negative are about equal to Donnie getting laid without having to pay.

 

I'm really bored by today's youngsters.

 

And on a side note......isn't it about time Athan got a new picture.

 

Disapprovingly yours,

 

FFF

[FinFangFoom]

it posted my response twice.

 

This site just can't get enough of me.

 

Repeatedly yours,

 

FFF

[IceFireWizard]

>ANY partner can be HIV+ and that people lie about their status all

>the time. The only way to be safe is to play safe.

 

I couldn't agree more.

[Guest Merlin]

The boyfriend is also wrong in saying that topping without a condom is low risk. It is lower risk than bottoming, but is still fairly high risk especially if the top is uncircumcized.

[Boxboy]

"I would fault Athan for allowing anal sex to happen without

being sure that the client knew he was HIV+, but I would also

fault the client for not asking before engaging in anal sex."

 

I agree 100%. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of mistake EVER happening. As a professional in the "business," the escort, in my humble opinion, is even more at fault for not routinely confirming the clients' informed consent IN PERSON at the scene, verifying any initial consent he may have or thought he had received over the telephone. Granted the emotional onus of knowing one is HIV positive is a very heavy burden to bear and not a pleasant thing to have to discuss with a complete stranger. Nevertheless, it demands that the knowingly positive person, escort or not, be constantly on guard to protect himself and his sexual partners.

[BgMstr4u]

I too am dismayed at the 2 friends who sucked and topped Athan. How many people have written persuasively here about not taking hiv status for granted with escorts, assuming that they may be positive simply because of the number of contacts they have -- just sensible precaution. I wonder if the BB topping wasn't really what they wanted in the first place.

 

Be that as it may. Athan's response was refreshingly candid and complete, and so different from the usual litanies of self-justification. But it seems to me that there is a simple way to avoid all this. Just include a line like "I'm healthy poz and I always play safe". It will probably cut down the number of responses, but since you're going to need to be up front with people in the first place, why waste your time on people who will freak out anyway? Or is it possible that our Athan wants it both ways?

[Jay Ganymede]

I've had this discussion with a HIV positive lad here in dc who has taken the ideology of not informing his partners of his status. Though different than the cool cat Athan's ideology I expressed my opinion upon him that it should respect the health of every one of their sexual partners even if they don't respect it enough themselves to ask. People make stupid decisions when motivated by lust, no one knows this better than those who are positive. No matter what anyone believes or what they say; NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE, and one more time for those who need to hear it in multiples of four (4) NO ONE deserves to be infected with HIV.

 

The containment of this virus takes both sides. The negative should be on the defense and the positive should be on the offensive. Too often do positive lads adapt a selfish "fuck you" approach and though they don't intentionally infect their partners, they don't do their part to prevent it from spreading if they don't make it clear to their partners their status.

 

This is not to say all positive guys keep their status to themselves. Athan is open about his status which is how ever gentlemen should be; I really really try to make this clear during the time of sexual encounter and it may help stop the spread of just one person. Stopping the spread to just one person multiplies exponentially and hundreds if not millions free from the possible hardships of this disease.

 

I don't begin to proclaim that it is easy to be the bigger man in such situations. I can not even begin to comprehend the amount of selflessness it would require, however is it not worth it? I am sure every positive guy would give all they have to be slapped to their senses during their lapse of judgment, which we all have, and have complete knowledge of what they are about to do.

 

One positive guy making his status clear today could surely save 10% of the future HIV population 20 years tomorrow, than it is well worth his honesty.

[+ Lucky]

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I had expressed an opinion here and then thought better of it. (Yes, I do that once in a while.)

[uwsman2]

Yeah, FFF... I was also wondering what Athan looked like these days. That picture has been there a long time. Has the gorgeous young cutie aged a bit into a hot man?

 

I was on jury duty recently... Walked into a court room for the jury selection process, and you could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw the judge! What a hot stud!! 40s, Italian, classic, gorgeous features, big expressive eyes, and despite the robe he appeared to be in great shape when he stood up to welcome the jurors in. I was sorry I didn't get picked for the jury... Would love to spend some time sitting in the jury box gazing on him.

[Guest mrsilentstar]

After Athan makes his bank deposit, he should update his escort profiles to state he is HIV+. This way it can cut out any and all mishaps he may come upon in the future with phone call confusions and booking future clients. Just a suggestion.

 

And to the reviewer, next time ask. Don't let your hard on or the beer buzz do the assuming. Dumb move.

[+ deej]

>After Athan makes his bank deposit, he should update his

>escort profiles to state he is HIV+. This way it can cut out

>any and all mishaps he may come upon in the future with phone

>call confusions and booking future clients. Just a suggestion.

 

Wouldn't change a thing. Escorts have told me time and time again that clients don't actually READ their profiles. The same conversation would need to happen, and the same responsibilities would still be in play.

[Guest]

Anybody who doesn't automatically assume that the escort he hires is likely to have HIV has the brains of an ice cube.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>Anybody who doesn't automatically assume that the escort he

>hires is likely to have HIV has the brains of an ice cube.

 

Let's put this in context here. Any escort who doesn't automatically assume the CLIENT he's hired by is likely to have HIV also has the brains of an ice cube.

 

Everyone should assume that every sex partner, either a professional hire or casual encounter, may be HIV positve and should take precautions. This disease spreads due to carelessness it's not like we don't have any idea of how its transmitted.