Vincent Michael Comes Back!

[LovesYng]

>> The other

>>problem is between himself and the other client, has nuttin

>to do with me.

>>

>

>What if he talks of you or reveals info about you as he did

>the other client? Will it have someting to do with you then?

>If the other client couldn't trust him...how can you?

>

>I feel those are questions any client should ask themselves.

>If they are ok with the answers then go for it.

 

KY, your right on what you say 100%. I have always respected you and your opinion, I think we have seen a lot of the same boys at times, starting with the "GREAT BLACK OUT IN NYC"(LoL). I have learned a very long time ago that the escort will know very little about me after getting burned once before, and yes it sucks big time. This happen to me way before I started coming on HooBoy's suite. I would say that a good 99% don't even know anything about me, when they ask all I say that it is personal.

 

What happen between the two of them has to be fixed within them and I really wish they could work it out.

[KY_TOP]

>I have learned a very long time ago that the

>escort will know very little about me after getting burned

>once before, and yes it sucks big time. This happen to me way

>before I started coming on HooBoy's suite. I would say that a

>good 99% don't even know anything about me, when they ask all

>I say that it is personal.

 

I agree that having to be so careful...sucks. I have probably given too much info to those I hire, like my real name and cell #. If they ask what I do for a living I usually answer. I guess I should rethink that, but enjoying conversation with an Escort in addition to the other things has been part of the enjoyment for me in hiring.

 

>

>What happen between the two of them has to be fixed within

>them and I really wish they could work it out.

 

VM needs to work it out, he is the one that betrayed someone's trust.

[Like it is mo]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

>First I want to thank Woodlawn for asking why I decided to

>come back after I announced I would retire only a few months

>ago.

>

>I didn't want to post the reason for me coming back because I

>didn't want people thinking I wanted there sympathy for

>anything...I want people to like me for me and nothing else, I

>retired last time because I thought I had found the person of

>my dreams and I was wrong.

>

>Simple I rushed into a relationship before i knew the person

>in every aspect, now I am not going to say what happened other

>than we had severe communication problems and honesty issues

>which was hard for me to deal with.

>

>I came back because of a few reasons..One I retired for him

>and not myself (which was a mistake). Two the money is nice

>yes (id be lying if i said it wasn't) but its more than just

>the simple buck its the friends I have made along the way. Yes

>I have made some real friends who I even while I retired was

>able to talk to for advise and share my life with them on a

>very regular bases

>

>I think some of you will say its for the money and that I am

>full of it when it comes to the friends aspect and I

>understand were you can come from that angle but if you know

>me in any aspect you will know i speak the truth here.

>

>Hoxt81@yahoo.com

 

Here's the problem, Mr Michael. On the other site you revealed confidences of X clients with a vengence--stuff you never would have known but for their trust in your discretion; you trashed the priest, not only revealing his SN and location of his parish, but the fact that he was a priest--and then you showed your true colors by saying that you flirted with him on the MC and email to get him to hire you so you could later trash him. x( Shame on you VM.

 

You see, these are all character flaws--not just mistakes that you can appologize for. Appologies cover the things we all do inadvertantly or by mistake, but are totally useless for intentional bad deeds--deeds designed to hurt people. YOU DELIBERATELY did these bad things to strike out at people and hurt them and then gleefully prance back in here and announce "I'm back."

 

Such character flaws will undoubtedly be repeated the next time you "retire" for 30 days, and they undoubted indicate your distain for what you are doing, for your clients, and for yourself. So I for one want nothing to do with you, despite the fact that before you "retired" I was about to bring you east--I'm just glad I never made the connection. It amazes me that others here don't see your conduct as a warning to stay away! x(

[Like2Hire]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

What's this other site to which people keep referring and what went on there? I only knew VM on this site and thought he was fine. Now I'm beginning to wonder....

[Guest skrubber]

I hired Vince once and liked him. Then he went on escort speak and talked negatively about me. I can take it and he didn't reveal any personal information about me. I would hire him again if it were not for his diatribes against my good buddy Ben.

[Txpaytoplay]

Hey Mo,

Interesting post....and I don't disagree. I find it curious though, that your first post on this site is this! Hhhhmmm.

[LovesYng]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

I wonder "LIKE it is mo" who you were in your other life. Sure do know a lot for your first post and your first day on here Sept. 14th

 

 

When in doubt I whip it out :+

[JT Brooklyn]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

Hmmmm.. Me To does wonder, who art thou Before! :+

[LoneStar]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

>I wonder "LIKE it is mo" who you were in your other life.

>Sure do know a lot for your first post and your first day on

>here Sept. 14th

>

>

 

Who cares? He is stating fact about Vincent Michael's posts that anyone can read on escortspeak.com Not only did Vincent Michael trash the client and two fellow escorts he revealed personal information and remarked how disgusting the client was to be with.

 

Lastly Vincent Michael went out of his way on escortspeak.com to "announce" his upcoming trashings. Very classy, eh.

 

As I have posted (along with KY Top and now Mo) how can anyone support an escort that has so blantly spit int he face of every client who has hired him?

 

Maybe someone who flew Vincent Michael to a location will post his real name and other real stats about him on escortspeak.com. It's obvious they don't care about releasing personal information over there.

[LoneStar]

>I hired Vince once and liked him. Then he went on escort

>speak and talked negatively about me. I can take it and he

>didn't reveal any personal information about me. I would hire

>him again if it were not for his diatribes against my good

>buddy Ben.

 

The following is generally speaking and the post above is only being used as an example.

 

The thought process noted above is an exhibit of a person who is mentally unbalanced. There could be several mental illnesses contributing to such comments.

 

The thought is: it's ok that someone trashed me because THIS TIME no personal information was made public. However, another escort who I pay for his time was trashed therefore, I cannot hire the trasher.

 

If I had like thoughts and a friend was aware of them, I hope my friend will push me to seek professional help.

[KY_TOP]

You got to be kidding me right? Did you read what you wrote? You would rehire someone that has thrashed you but not someone that has thrashed your favorite escort? WOW x(

[+ Lucky]

RE:Skrubber Comes Back!

 

It is pretty surprising, isn't it?

[Guest Conway]

RE: Vincent is Back!

 

I think the fact that he was thrown a softball question by one of the creepiest guys ever to be a member (maybe now a former member ) of this forum speaks volumes for waht Vicent Michael really is. You can always judge a man by the company he keeps.

 

Here's hoping the guy starves to death as an escort. He doesn't deserve anyone's money.

[KY_TOP]

RE:Skrubber Comes Back!

 

>It is pretty surprising, isn't it?

 

I thinking more like the word "SAD".

[Guest skrubber]

>The following is generally speaking and the post above is only

>being used as an example.

>

>The thought process noted above is an exhibit of a person who

>is mentally unbalanced.

 

Mentally unbalanced - so THATS whats wrong with me. I have always wondered.

 

 

>The thought is: it's ok that someone trashed me because THIS

>TIME no personal information was made public. However, another

>escort who I pay for his time was trashed therefore, I cannot

>hire the trasher.

 

Yeah it's is OK Vince trashed me. It was a very light spanking. My main objection is that Vince left the business burning ALL his bridges then goes on escort speak (the other site) and absolutely trashes a friend of mine with an outrageous diatribe (look it up) with no basis but his own thought processes and hearsay from others. Vince only met Ben once - from what I have gathered - and then only briefly. What makes him an expert? He was only jumping on the "bash Ben" wagon. Yes, I did hire Vince. He's a nice guy, I enjoyed my time with him and wish him all the best but doubt if he can get over those charred bridges.

>

>If I had like thoughts and a friend was aware of them, I hope

>my friend will push me to seek professional help.

 

My friends tell me that all the time. Thanks for re-enforcing. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

 

>

[+ Oliver]

He's Back??

 

On 9/8/05, after I made a comment questioning his integrity in another thread on this subject, I received the following e-mail from Mr. Michael:

I hope I get the chance to explain in detail what had happend a few months back and in no way am i saying what I did was right i just want the opertunity to explain my self so you know the whole story.I hope you give me a chance to explain thanks

 

I replied as follows:

Vincent –

I appreciate your invitation to explain. When you first started posting on the MC I was piqued by your apparent ingenuousness and youthful enthusiasm, especially after mocking yourself about your spelling. You were not necessarily my “type”, but as weeks progressed I became intrigued and considered contacting you about a possible liaison. Then all hell seem to break loose and you were no longer there. I didn’t think too much about it until about a month ago when there was some mention of you having broken a client’s confidentiality on that other site.

 

I had initially looked at the other site when it came into being to see what was there, but quickly became disgusted with the entire tone of the “messages” there and, frankly, with the people who posted – I had never cared for their contributions in the MC because all were totally relentless in their diatribes on their favorite subjects and were anything but reticent to call people names. Therefore, I stopped going to the other site very soon.

 

Once there was the indication concerning you, though, I wanted to know exactly what had occurred so that I wasn’t passing judgment without knowledge. After some searching I found your posting and was absolutely appalled by what you had to say about at least three clients, especially the last one. I have hired a number of escorts over the years (and we need not go into whether that is right or wrong), but always with the confidence that my personal information was safe. I had no reason to think otherwise because of the experience I had. One can argue about “honor among thieves”, “why would one trust a wh*re, who is breaking the law”, or any other such specious and irrelevant opinions.

 

It boils down to the basic – what personal information an escort learns about a client and what a client learns about an escort should remain between them exclusively. An escort should not ridicule a client when there has been no provocation. Certainly if the client publishes a derogatory review, the escort should rebut it honestly. But to just gratuitously give out confidential information and ridicule them is beyond the pale. And please don’t justify your actions by saying the information had already been made public elsewhere.

 

Apologies are good and fine and should be accepted. I accept yours. But trust, once broken, must be earned. And that is most difficult, of not impossible. My life is mine to keep as private as I see fit – not for you to expose on an angry whim, no matter how old you are. If you are old enough to take up this profession, then you are old enough to take the consequences of your actions. Fortunately you know nothing about me.

 

Not surprisingly, I have received no answer from him.

[JT Brooklyn]

I am guessing that all the "NEGATIVE" things that VM wrote, were on the "Other Site" at some point in time?

IMHO..Not following that site, as most of us really haven't, very few know about what allegedly was said. I doubt it could have been anymore in "Bad Taste" than what alot of people did say on that site anyway.

Everyone does deserve a second chance. A Second Chance, definitely has been given to some "Slim Shady's" around here! LOL :+

[Txpaytoplay]

Hey Oliver,

 

I revceived that same email from VM....I replied as well and have yet to hear back. Interesting.

[LoneStar]

>I am guessing that all the "NEGATIVE" things that VM wrote,

>were on the "Other Site" at some point in time?

> IMHO..Not following that site, as most of us really haven't,

>very few know about what allegedly was said. I doubt it could

>have been anymore in "Bad Taste" than what alot of people did

>say on that site anyway.

>Everyone does deserve a second chance. A Second Chance,

>definitely has been given to some "Slim Shady's" around here!

>LOL :+

 

As HB used to say do your homework before hiring. You obviously are so preoccupied with the escort speak site you cannot even find the most populated and highlighted thread there. That is quite sad.

 

There is nothing "allegedly" about Vincent Michaels' posts. He is quite clear in naming clients especially one, reporting to us how he used that client, where the client works, what the client does for a living, how disgusting the client was and then laughed about it.

 

He also didn't seem to have a problem about posting the real name of one of two escorts he trashed plus informing the reader about their attitude toward clients and their personal drug use. He was qutie specific how these escorts taught him and spoke freely in disgust about other clients

 

Best bet JT do your homework prior to making such statements, eh.

[Vincent_Michael]

RE: He's Back??

 

You know some of you are wondering why I haven’t explained my self to you in private or for that matter in public and are making a big fuss over it. The simple answer is I honestly don’t care anymore what any of you think about what I did because, One I said I was sorry and you men (though not all) cant seem to forgive me for a damn thing and if you cant do a simple thing as forgiving me then I don’t give a rats ass about your opinion. Two it is none of your business as to why I did certain things all you need to know is I have made an apology to those who it matters most.

 

Also allot of you have your panties up in a wad thinking I OUTED a client, when in fact I did not!

 

I did not give any information on the real person beyond a screen name used here on M4M.

 

1. No (Real) Name was mentioned

2. No Numbers were made public

3. No pictures were made public

4. No address (e-mail or otherwise) were made public

 

I am not saying I am not sorry for mentioning his M4M name on the other site I am just clarifying what you have all deemed as me OUTING someone to not be true and I have said sorry four times now including this time. Yet I am sure you will give a pass to any other escort when not a one has ever publicly said they are sorry for anything and yet I have the balls to do so!

[ValleyDwellerNorth]

Is he the ONLY escort in the solar system that stopped escorting and then came back to it?

 

VM is an escort. He made a poor choice. Then he stopped escorting for personal reasons. Then he came back to the business. Katrina didn't fart out of his ass and he didn't raise the price of gas. It's all about perspective.

[JT Brooklyn]

Member since Sep 8..Like I said, I donot bother with the Other Site. I did Check it once to make sure "MY Name" was spelled right, By One of their "Esteemed" Members. Apparently a Friend of that Site! A "Working Guy" who decided to discuss ME! He now, I think due to "Old Age" has retired, to someplace like Australia or wherever.

But the point is VM.. is not the only Working Guy, to discuss his Hookups! :+

[kevininsa]

RE: He's Back??

 

Ok, I'd like to say something here. I've been a long time lurker. Had a screen name long time back, but seldom used it and just recently renewed it.

 

I've hesitated commenting on this thread because I've followed VM for some time and have wanted to possibly call him sometime soon. So I didn't want to set up feelings that I defended him just to ingratiate myself to him.

 

However, I skimmed through the escortspeak postings. I never thought he had completely outed the client because I never saw where he had given his real name, which VM just commented on.

>Also allot of you have your panties up in a wad thinking

>I OUTED a client, when in fact I did not!

 

>I did not give any information on the real person

>beyond a screen name used here on M4M.

 

Maybe he did say things he shouldn't have and shared info he shouldn't have. That particular client isn't the first in his profession to be gay or hire escorts. He's just the one that we have contact with. The posting didn't out him to his work community, did it?

 

As for giving out Bryan Young's real name. Bryan Young had an entire article done on him in the San Antonio Express News several years ago giving his real name. Anyone who read the article and had any insight into the escort world could have matched him up. (and for the record, I've never met him either... not my type.)

 

Probably my main point here is this... give it a rest! Hire VM. Don't hire VM. What's the point in rehashing the fact of what he did over and over and over and over? Cuz by now... everyone's opinion on the MB has been made crystal clear.

 

KevinInSA

[+ Lucky]

JT says he hasn't read what VM said, but advises us all to give it a rest anyway. How silly, dude. At least know the facts before you tell other people how to react to them. If you want to hire VM, go ahead. But If You DON'T Know What You are Talking About, zip it!

[jawjateck]

I agree. Hang in there, VM! Don't let 'em get to you. The "moral majority" is baiting you to explode into a nasty rage. Keep your cool, my friend. I look forward to seeing you again soon.

 

Your Jawja buddy...