Condoms for oral?

[Guest reddog]

I'm quite new to all this. Just discovered the m4m reviews about a month ago and they directed me to a very highly rated escort who provided one of the top sexual experiences of my life!! (Thanks to all m4m contributors; and to this FANTASTIC MAN!!)

 

I did limit our activities to "ultra safe" only. I am very (OK, extremely) HIV conscious. My question is this: Would an escort get angry or upset if I requested that he wear a condom for me to service him orally? Does no one do this? I can't tell from the reviews or the message center.

 

Can anyone provide a point of view on this, especially an escort?

[Guest reddog]

I'm quite new to all this. Just discovered the m4m reviews about a month ago and they directed me to a very highly rated escort who provided one of the top sexual experiences of my life!! (Thanks to all m4m contributors; and to this FANTASTIC MAN!!)

 

I did limit our activities to "ultra safe" only. I am very (OK, extremely) HIV conscious. My question is this: Would an escort get angry or upset if I requested that he wear a condom for me to service him orally? Does no one do this? I can't tell from the reviews or the message center.

 

Can anyone provide a point of view on this, especially an escort?

[Guest JD]

Reddog,

 

I'm not a doc but here is my understanding and opinions of HIV, oral sex, and escorts.

 

1. Oral sex is generally safer unless you have sores in your mouth (such as cold sores, bleeding gums, etc.)

 

2. Many escorts will allow you to give them a blow job without a condom but will NOT ejaculate in your mouth and usually pull out before the final climax.

 

3. If you request, most escorts will ejaculate in your mouth IF you specifically request it.

 

4. I estimate that about 75% of the oral escorts do NOT require their clients to wear a condom.

 

5. I honestly believe that at least 99% of the escorts would gladly wear a condom if you request it and would NOT be offended.

 

6. There are favored condoms available that are specifically made for oral sex. This is a fantastic improvement over the anal condoms which usually are treated with medicine and lube that are less than tasteful.

 

Don't be afraid to be upfront with your escort and tell him your preference. I bet he'll be understanding and accomodating.

 

JD

[Guest JD]

Reddog,

 

I'm not a doc but here is my understanding and opinions of HIV, oral sex, and escorts.

 

1. Oral sex is generally safer unless you have sores in your mouth (such as cold sores, bleeding gums, etc.)

 

2. Many escorts will allow you to give them a blow job without a condom but will NOT ejaculate in your mouth and usually pull out before the final climax.

 

3. If you request, most escorts will ejaculate in your mouth IF you specifically request it.

 

4. I estimate that about 75% of the oral escorts do NOT require their clients to wear a condom.

 

5. I honestly believe that at least 99% of the escorts would gladly wear a condom if you request it and would NOT be offended.

 

6. There are favored condoms available that are specifically made for oral sex. This is a fantastic improvement over the anal condoms which usually are treated with medicine and lube that are less than tasteful.

 

Don't be afraid to be upfront with your escort and tell him your preference. I bet he'll be understanding and accomodating.

 

JD

[+ deej]

No judgements here, just reporting what I've read elsewhere.

 

 

Wednesday August 15 06:53 PM EDT

Study says HIV risk from oral sex is low

By Gregg Drinkwater, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network

SUMMARY: The probability of acquiring HIV (news - web sites) through unprotected oral sex is "very, very low," according to preliminary findings from a study of the risk factors for oral HIV transmission.

 

The probability of acquiring HIV through unprotected oral sex is "very, very low," according to preliminary findings from the first study specifically designed to isolate the risk factors for oral HIV transmission.

 

The study's principal investigator, Dr. Kimberly Page-Shafer, presented the preliminary findings Tuesday at the National HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta.

 

The so-called "HOT study" -- or HIV Oral Transmission study -- is being carried out by Page-Shafer along with researchers at the Center for AIDS (news - web sites) Prevention Studies of the University of California, San Francisco, and the AIDS Health Project, an HIV/AIDS education and counseling organization in San Francisco.

 

The HOT study involves 198 primarily gay and bisexual men who only engaged in oral sex during the study period. Introducing the project last October in a Salon.com interview, Page-Shafer said, "It's amazing to me how much supposed knowledge has built up around [the issue of oral HIV transmission] when there is actually no scientific data."

 

HIV researchers have assumed that some types of oral sex may pose a higher risk than others, but the HOT study is the first to try and isolate those risk factors, such as performing oral sex on someone with an STD, swallowing ejaculate, or performing oral sex with open sores in the mouth or active periodontal disease.

 

In a statement released Tuesday detailing the preliminary findings, Page-Shafer said, "We found that the probability of acquiring HIV through [oral sex] is very, very low."

 

Ninety-eight percent of the study's subjects reported having unprotected oral sex with a male partner, with 20 percent saying they had performed oral sex on an HIV-positive partner.

 

Of the 198 participants only one tested positive for HIV. Page-Shafer said that individual acquired the virus prior to the study period and may not have acquired it through oral sex.

 

"We did not detect any new infections, and we have not been able to identify infection attributed to oral sex," Shafer said, according to HealthScoutNews. "Statistically, the probability is zero for our study group."

 

But in the statement she went on to say that with such a small sample group (198 subjects), "we cannot rule out the possibility that the probability of infection is indeed greater than zero.''

 

The HOT study findings seem to contradict another recent study that found that as many as 8 percent of people newly infected with HIV acquired the virus through oral sex.

 

Referring to that study in the October interview, Page-Shafer said, "You have to be careful not to overinterpret that study. It's not a random sample of people who get tested. Also, four of the eight they identified as being orally infected had had receptive anal sex with condoms. That's dangerous to include, since anal sex with condoms has a greater risk of transmission through condom breakage or slippage. But most importantly, the population sample in which those eight were discovered is not representative of the HIV-infected population."

 

"The take-home message is that oral sex is safer sex than other types, such as anal sex or even protected anal sex," Page-Shafer said Tuesday, HealthScoutNews reported

 

She emphasized, however, that oral sex is safer sex, not safe sex.

 

"While our study is the first to attempt to systematically define the risk, case reports exist of infections acquired through oral contact. I want to emphasize that, while rare, acquiring HIV infection orally is possible and that many other sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and syphilis are transmitted orally," added Shafer.

[+ deej]

No judgements here, just reporting what I've read elsewhere.

 

 

Wednesday August 15 06:53 PM EDT

Study says HIV risk from oral sex is low

By Gregg Drinkwater, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network

SUMMARY: The probability of acquiring HIV (news - web sites) through unprotected oral sex is "very, very low," according to preliminary findings from a study of the risk factors for oral HIV transmission.

 

The probability of acquiring HIV through unprotected oral sex is "very, very low," according to preliminary findings from the first study specifically designed to isolate the risk factors for oral HIV transmission.

 

The study's principal investigator, Dr. Kimberly Page-Shafer, presented the preliminary findings Tuesday at the National HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta.

 

The so-called "HOT study" -- or HIV Oral Transmission study -- is being carried out by Page-Shafer along with researchers at the Center for AIDS (news - web sites) Prevention Studies of the University of California, San Francisco, and the AIDS Health Project, an HIV/AIDS education and counseling organization in San Francisco.

 

The HOT study involves 198 primarily gay and bisexual men who only engaged in oral sex during the study period. Introducing the project last October in a Salon.com interview, Page-Shafer said, "It's amazing to me how much supposed knowledge has built up around [the issue of oral HIV transmission] when there is actually no scientific data."

 

HIV researchers have assumed that some types of oral sex may pose a higher risk than others, but the HOT study is the first to try and isolate those risk factors, such as performing oral sex on someone with an STD, swallowing ejaculate, or performing oral sex with open sores in the mouth or active periodontal disease.

 

In a statement released Tuesday detailing the preliminary findings, Page-Shafer said, "We found that the probability of acquiring HIV through [oral sex] is very, very low."

 

Ninety-eight percent of the study's subjects reported having unprotected oral sex with a male partner, with 20 percent saying they had performed oral sex on an HIV-positive partner.

 

Of the 198 participants only one tested positive for HIV. Page-Shafer said that individual acquired the virus prior to the study period and may not have acquired it through oral sex.

 

"We did not detect any new infections, and we have not been able to identify infection attributed to oral sex," Shafer said, according to HealthScoutNews. "Statistically, the probability is zero for our study group."

 

But in the statement she went on to say that with such a small sample group (198 subjects), "we cannot rule out the possibility that the probability of infection is indeed greater than zero.''

 

The HOT study findings seem to contradict another recent study that found that as many as 8 percent of people newly infected with HIV acquired the virus through oral sex.

 

Referring to that study in the October interview, Page-Shafer said, "You have to be careful not to overinterpret that study. It's not a random sample of people who get tested. Also, four of the eight they identified as being orally infected had had receptive anal sex with condoms. That's dangerous to include, since anal sex with condoms has a greater risk of transmission through condom breakage or slippage. But most importantly, the population sample in which those eight were discovered is not representative of the HIV-infected population."

 

"The take-home message is that oral sex is safer sex than other types, such as anal sex or even protected anal sex," Page-Shafer said Tuesday, HealthScoutNews reported

 

She emphasized, however, that oral sex is safer sex, not safe sex.

 

"While our study is the first to attempt to systematically define the risk, case reports exist of infections acquired through oral contact. I want to emphasize that, while rare, acquiring HIV infection orally is possible and that many other sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and syphilis are transmitted orally," added Shafer.

[Guest reddog]

JD: Thanks so much for the very SPECIFIC information. This is extremely helpful to a newcomer like me. I hope you are right about the 99% of escorts.

 

Before finding this site, I had mostly known only the "gay for pay" crowd. And "accomodating" and "understanding" were not terms I would have applied to their approach.

 

Thanks again,

Reddog

[Guest reddog]

JD: Thanks so much for the very SPECIFIC information. This is extremely helpful to a newcomer like me. I hope you are right about the 99% of escorts.

 

Before finding this site, I had mostly known only the "gay for pay" crowd. And "accomodating" and "understanding" were not terms I would have applied to their approach.

 

Thanks again,

Reddog

[Bilbo]

Open sores in the mouth sounds so ugly that it is easy to forget that this category includes many things which are really so common that they are easy to forget about most of the time just by themselves. Some people even include having just recently brushed your teeth in this category because those bristles can lacerate your gums like little paper cuts that you've had so often you don't even notice them anymore. And did you accidently bite your cheek at dinner tonight? And, my problem, periodontal disease. Don't assume that this is something which is only caused by bad oral hygiene and if you only kiss people whom you want to kiss they won't have it. It can also be inherited. I credit mine to my Mother. And a full tooth cleaning for me, according to my dentist (and, believe it or not, I have gotten to where I do often go through with all of it) includes a pre-rinse, flossing, the actual brushing, a post rinse (I use like Listerine) and irrigation (putting more listerine directly into the little pockets by my teeth with a syringe-like metal doobob).

 

So, obviously, I swear by flavored condoms. Chocolate might work if most of your affairs are with Black men. Otherwise, it seems to promise something that is not delivered. Banana - well, he might want to borrow one to return the favor and bananas give a lot of people gas. Besides, on a cock, its a bit of a bad pun. But I love the mint! as I have mentioned on these boards many times before.

 

Bilbo

the true-born Queen of TMI

(too much information)

[Bilbo]

Open sores in the mouth sounds so ugly that it is easy to forget that this category includes many things which are really so common that they are easy to forget about most of the time just by themselves. Some people even include having just recently brushed your teeth in this category because those bristles can lacerate your gums like little paper cuts that you've had so often you don't even notice them anymore. And did you accidently bite your cheek at dinner tonight? And, my problem, periodontal disease. Don't assume that this is something which is only caused by bad oral hygiene and if you only kiss people whom you want to kiss they won't have it. It can also be inherited. I credit mine to my Mother. And a full tooth cleaning for me, according to my dentist (and, believe it or not, I have gotten to where I do often go through with all of it) includes a pre-rinse, flossing, the actual brushing, a post rinse (I use like Listerine) and irrigation (putting more listerine directly into the little pockets by my teeth with a syringe-like metal doobob).

 

So, obviously, I swear by flavored condoms. Chocolate might work if most of your affairs are with Black men. Otherwise, it seems to promise something that is not delivered. Banana - well, he might want to borrow one to return the favor and bananas give a lot of people gas. Besides, on a cock, its a bit of a bad pun. But I love the mint! as I have mentioned on these boards many times before.

 

Bilbo

the true-born Queen of TMI

(too much information)

[Guest JD]

Reddog,

 

I've gone the "gay 4 pay" route and also street hustlers. But the best decision I ever made was to save up my money and hire a real professional. I travel a lot for work and really enjoy a relaxing evening with an escort.

 

Not only is it safer and cleaner, but the escorts almost always treat me with respect and not as just a paying customer. With most of my "regular" guys, an evening with them is like being with an old friend. After we "congegate the verb", they usually visit with me about work, places I've traveled, and things to do while in town.

 

They also know my boundaries and things I not comfortable doing or having done to me. I can't imagine any of the guys on this site that wouldn't gladly put on a "raincoat" for you and respect you for making the request.

 

I've found most escorts to be a kind and caring bunch of guys.

 

JD

[Guest JD]

Reddog,

 

I've gone the "gay 4 pay" route and also street hustlers. But the best decision I ever made was to save up my money and hire a real professional. I travel a lot for work and really enjoy a relaxing evening with an escort.

 

Not only is it safer and cleaner, but the escorts almost always treat me with respect and not as just a paying customer. With most of my "regular" guys, an evening with them is like being with an old friend. After we "congegate the verb", they usually visit with me about work, places I've traveled, and things to do while in town.

 

They also know my boundaries and things I not comfortable doing or having done to me. I can't imagine any of the guys on this site that wouldn't gladly put on a "raincoat" for you and respect you for making the request.

 

I've found most escorts to be a kind and caring bunch of guys.

 

JD

[Guest MrB]

Thanks for that, Deej.

 

 

MrB

[Guest MrB]

Thanks for that, Deej.

 

 

MrB

[Guest BenDover]

I sure wish someone would invent a cock-flavored condom.

[Guest BenDover]

I sure wish someone would invent a cock-flavored condom.

[+ deej]

>I sure wish someone would invent

>a cock-flavored condom.

 

Can you imagine being a taste tester in the development lab?

 

"How's this? Does it taste right? Here try the real thing and compare..."

 

:9

[+ deej]

>I sure wish someone would invent

>a cock-flavored condom.

 

Can you imagine being a taste tester in the development lab?

 

"How's this? Does it taste right? Here try the real thing and compare..."

 

:9

[Guest Kevin 2]

Can you imagine being a taste tester in the development lab?

 

"How's this? Does it taste right? Here try the real thing and compare..."

Deej...Where do I send my application?

[Guest Kevin 2]

Can you imagine being a taste tester in the development lab?

 

"How's this? Does it taste right? Here try the real thing and compare..."

Deej...Where do I send my application?

[Guest ChicagoCorey]

Unfortunately, unless there were multiple flavors of cock-flavored, this would remove most of the fun from the experience. The coolest thing is how different cocks taste -- getting the first lick is almost as much fun as getting to see it for the first time.

 

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[Guest ChicagoCorey]

Unfortunately, unless there were multiple flavors of cock-flavored, this would remove most of the fun from the experience. The coolest thing is how different cocks taste -- getting the first lick is almost as much fun as getting to see it for the first time.

 

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chicagocorey@yahoo.com

get to know me/updated frequently

http://www.geocities.com/chicagocorey

[Guest BenDover]

Ah! 31 Flavors! Basket and Robbins.

[Guest BenDover]

Ah! 31 Flavors! Basket and Robbins.

[+ deej]

Can you imagine the names marketeers would come up with for the flavors?

 

Spicy

Minty

Cheesy

Zesty

 

This alone could be a constant source of humor. ;-)