Choices for June : Trent Cougar or Steven Kesslar

[noviceny]

OK, you guys have given me great info on some of my other choices so here is your new mission, if you choose to accept it :

 

Both Steve Kesslar and Trent Cougar will be in town (NYC) next week...Kesslar's pics seem a bit dated, but reviews are great...Cougar has great reviews too and is a lot bigger, but I would like some feedback/advice if any of you have personal experience.

 

Again, thanks a lot guys and as always, any fun had as a result of your advice will be immdeiately reported :-) :-)

 

BTW, can only choose one...funding 2 is not an option for me

[ncc1701d]

>OK, you guys have given me great info on some of my other

>choices so here is your new mission, if you choose to accept

>it :

>

>Both Steve Kesslar and Trent Cougar will be in town (NYC) next

>week...Kesslar's pics seem a bit dated, but reviews are

>great...

 

Curious to hear why you think Steven's pics are dated??? I happen to know that they are less than a year old...And how can you beat that review record :9 .....Go for him :P

[noviceny]

hey ncc,

 

The pic on m4m looks like a guy in better shape (i.e. more ripped, better abs) than the guy in the meetlocalmen site, especially the bottom right pic there. The top left pic on meetlocalmen site looks similar to the m4m pic. Thats why I said that they seem dated, all though two look current. I also go by the view :

 

1) Definition/Defined - has some cut to muscles

 

2) Cut - has significant cut to their muscles

 

3) Ripped - can see significant striations and 6 pack

 

4) Shredded - competition shape cut and definition

 

The pics look an array of definition and cut, maybe ripped. I am not that picky but put a lot of stock in a personal description of "ripped" and to see if I am on the same page with an escort about what we define as body shape.

 

I have had experiences when guys have said "incredible shape" but I have thought it was good shape and far from incredible.

 

His reviews are great, but I am also not looking for a lot of heavy stuff, so performance is not as much a factor as is personality and body.

[Epigonos]

Hi Novicency

 

Let me assure you that the photograph of Steven Kesslar, on the rentboy site, where he is lying on a blue sheet is not dated. In fact it was taken in my bedroon, by me, on Monday, February 14, 2005. I don't know Trent Cougar but you won't go wrong getting together with Steven. I see him on a regular basis. Besides being great fun in the sack he is a really nice person -- considerate, bright, and intelligent. Have fun and enjoy.

[tedbear]

Picture 1) is in fact a bit out of date. The others were all taken about a year ago. When Stephen was considering which of these pics to use, he polled several of his regulars to help him decide. I was one of those he polled.

 

I think the difference you're seeing among the other shots is simply a reflection of how pumped up he was at the time that photo was shot.

 

I've seen Stephen several times a year for a few years now and every time I see him, his body has gotten even better.

 

I've been seeing Stephen longer than I've seen anyone else. He's incredibly hot and sexy. He's one of the best I've ever had and he's one of the very few guys who I just had to top. And, if you're a bottom, he will please as few ever have. He's a great kisser and the absolute all-time best cuddler I've ever been with. Except for once, I've always had him for overnights--sleeping in his arms is almost as blissful as having sex with him.

 

I'm seeing him yet again in a few weeks, and I'm really looking forward to it! Choose him and I'm sure you'll be glad.

 

 

 

>hey ncc,

>

>The pic on m4m looks like a guy in better shape (i.e. more

>ripped, better abs) than the guy in the meetlocalmen site,

>especially the bottom right pic there. The top left pic on

>meetlocalmen site looks similar to the m4m pic. Thats why I

>said that they seem dated, all though two look current. I

>also go by the view :

>

>1) Definition/Defined - has some cut to muscles

>

>2) Cut - has significant cut to their muscles

>

>3) Ripped - can see significant striations and 6 pack

>

>4) Shredded - competition shape cut and definition

>

>The pics look an array of definition and cut, maybe ripped. I

>am not that picky but put a lot of stock in a personal

>description of "ripped" and to see if I am on the same page

>with an escort about what we define as body shape.

>

>I have had experiences when guys have said "incredible shape"

>but I have thought it was good shape and far from incredible.

>

>His reviews are great, but I am also not looking for a lot of

>heavy stuff, so performance is not as much a factor as is

>personality and body.}( }(

[JT Brooklyn]

Novice..Cut-Ripped-Shredded! I guess I am leading a very boring "Vanilla" Sex Life! Here I thought we both had the same taste? LOL :+

[ncc1701d]

Agree with all the other responses thus far. The top left hand one on MLM is older, but the others were part of the "poll" as one has described as I was another of the "judges". I just finished spending a week's vacation with him, and trust me his body is the same or better than when I first started seeing him 2 years ago. Besides, he has the whole package and many many qualities that other more ripped/muscular escorts do not have. So you can't go wrong...just do it :-)

[noviceny]

JT,

 

You forgot "Defined" :-) I know that I came off rather picky, but its just that I had some totally stupid sessions with people who purposefully or otherwise, misrepresented their body type, thus my personal classification. BTW those classifications were stolen from a friend of mine who competes and I actually toned them down a bit - they came with bodyfat % rating too

 

As for everybody else...ok ok...I see the choice is clear and I sent an email out to him for an appointment...will let you know what happens and thanks a lot guys

 

BTW also not looking to bottom or kiss...I know, I know...I dont want to hear it :-)

[guyinsf]

I guess my post is redundant at this point, but I also have to chime in that you can't go wrong with Steven. I've been hiring him regularly for over four years now. I seldom hire anyone else anymore.

 

As others have pointed out, most of the pictures Steven uses are recent but he does still have a few older ones out there. And I, too, have taken some of the more recent pictures that he uses.

[ncc1701d]

I know you said you didn't want to hear it, but I just can't help it...I realize anal sex is an individual preference, but to have Steven with you and NOT kiss is like having a Margarita and just tasting the straw and not the drink itself (I'm sure others can think of much better comparisons--LOL)...But hey, that's just me...

Steven, if you are reading this..when are we having our next Margarita together again?!

[ncc1701d]

I think we should all get together sometime and compare our private photo collections of Steven

[noviceny]

NCC,

 

Damn, you actually make a very good point. Kissing for me is pretty intimate and I have met very few guys who I have wanted to kiss. However, I will rethink my position and if he is the kind of guy that really makes me want to do it, then I will kiss...and tell :-)

[+ Cock Eyed Optimist]

Well, I'm going to sound redundant, but what the hell....go for Steven! I have been with him multiple times and enjoy him more and more each time. What a guy!! You won't find a sexier guy or a sweeter guy!

[ncc1701d]

>NCC,

>

> and if he is the >kind of guy that really makes me want to do it, then I will kiss...and tell :-)

 

You will, you will, you will. And please tell

:-) But don't keep him in NYC too long...my turn soon }(

[TeddyBear]

I've been with Steven more than any other escort. I was also one of those asked to help select his photos last year and agree with the other comments regarding their currency.

 

But more important is what you are looking for in an escort. While Steven is definitely "good sex", he is great company. He's affectionate (kissing, cuddling) and great to cuddle up with at night.

 

He's definitely boyfriend material. If you just want a hard body and cock with no personality, you may not want Steven.

[JT Brooklyn]

Novice..You don't sound picky at all... Not at all..It is just the "terms".. Cut-Ripped-Shredded Never sounded Sexual to me..til I met "German Nick" when he landed in NYC..Since then I know exactly why and sometimes when they are used.. LOL :+

[+ stevenkesslar]

I know that I came off rather

>picky, but its just that I had some totally stupid sessions

>with people who purposefully or otherwise, misrepresented

>their body type, thus my personal classification. BTW those

>classifications were stolen from a friend of mine who competes

>and I actually toned them down a bit - they came with bodyfat

>% rating too

 

Okay, my turn. :-)

 

I guess my reaction is that any session that depends primarily on the correct classification of an escort's muscle striations and body fat percentage is probably going to feel totally stupid to both people involved. I know I am not eager to get paid to show off my muscles, so I am probably not your guy. Muscle worship implicitly creates distance between me and the person I am with - "I'M A GOD. WORSHIP ME" - and I usually go for the opposite, creating intimacy. But your post made me think about a number of things, and since the thread is about me I figure I get to say what I want in a rambling sort of way.

 

First, just to put some information out there, let me respond to a few questions you raised. The pictures I use on the Internet are anywhere from 5 years to 4 months old. As several people mentioned on this thread, I did conduct a survey of about 20 clients last year to replace the pictures I had used since 2000. Many of them suggested I keep a few of the "old" ones around for continuity's sake, but also keep updating with new ones, so that is why there is a mix. In reality, I am a lot more muscular than some twink-style escorts and a lot less muscular than some competitive bodybuilder escorts. While I don't think I could be as successful as I have been if I did not work out, I think my success has very little to do with the specific degree of muscle striation or the specific body fat percentage I exhibit at any moment in time.

 

I really appreciate the comments of my clients who responded to this gentleman's question. I feel fortunate to spend most of my time as an escort with a relatively small group of clients who know me well, typically hire me for a day or days at a time, and like me for "the whole package," not just some aspect of my body, like my muscles, my cock, etc. The most interesting part of escorting to me is the personal relationships I have developed with these people. If my job was basically about developing my body and getting my muscles worshipped, I would probably have quite escorting about a month into it. To me, it is boring, and I have maybe had a handful of sessions in five years that were focused on muscle worship.

 

When I read this post, I sort of wanted to laugh, and I sort of wanted to cry, and I have debated for a day whether to post a response that is essentially whining but seems appropriate to my current mood. This week my car was broken into (soft top, ripped with a knife) and the same day that happened, I started to get a series of harrassing phone calls from some idiot who is apparently targeting escorts all over the country with an auto speed dialer that almost instantaneously leaves dozens of messages that fills up their voice mail system. The two events are unrelated, but they both sucked, and as a result I am feeling a little violated and vulnerable.

 

A third unrelated event is that rentboy.com invited me to place a free ad for a month that appeared a few weeks ago. It has basically turned out to be a pain in the ass because it lowers the standard of how I am viewed and approached from what I am used to. My mistake. The logic of the site is something like this: "ME MEAT AVAILABLE. YOU HIRE ME." Actually, that's a little generous. People who see my picture on the site and contact me seem to have a knack for not using complete words or sentences. It's more like: "ME MEAT AVLBLE. U HIRE ME."

 

I usually do not track my email, but once I got a sense of where the rentboy inquiries were going, I decided to track them. So far, I have had inquiries from 23 individuals that have resulted in exactly zero appointments. In 3 cases, the problem was that I was not available on the specific date the client wanted to meet. In most cases, though, my shorthand way of saying why no meeting resulted is that the email was sent by a flake. Several of the people I got emails from are ones that I have heard from before, and who were never able to find time to meet with me despite numerous attempts on my part to suggest a variety of dates that worked on my end. In one case, I probably called or emailed an individual who lives in the same city as me a few dozen times in response to multiple inquiries over the course of over a year. Nothing seemed to work on his end, so I just stopped trying. Some of the other emails were ones that just seem like classic flaky emails. One guy sent the following message, which I reprint in its entirety:

 

"Let's set up an overnight"

 

After exchanging a few more emails, it became clear he wanted me to fly to New Orleans within two days for an overnight, despite the fact that I had mentioned in an email the day before that I was in Mexico for the next week with a client and might be hard to get ahold of. Hello? Hello? Is anybody listening?

 

Another email I just received yesterday made this proposition, again reprinted in its entirety:

 

"lkn for hot vers fun 16th in SF hotel"

 

I have the right to be picky too. My standard is syntax, not striation. My experience is that clients who don't take the time to write a complete sentence probably won't place a whole lot of priority in scheduling an appointment with me.

 

Today I got the best offer off rentboy so far ...

 

"hi steven, cute clean versatile barebacker here ... lemme know if u r available ... thanks"

 

Can anyone tell me what versatile barebacking means, and whether it entails any risks for me? :-) Of course, this email DOES NOT in any way make me feel vulnerable or objectified.

 

To be even-handed, I realize people get, and to some degree expect, this kind of shit from escorts all the time. I have fantasized about contacting a certain escort that lives in the same state as me, until I learned on this site that he is the kind of guy who needs technical assistance to read and respond to emails. I'll leave it up to you to decide which is worse: an escort who can't respond to emails, or one who is prissy enough to find that type of thing a turn-off.

 

At any rate, there is a very clear cut difference between the types of emails I have been getting from rentboy.com clients, and the typical email someone from this site sends me. Hooboy is very much a thinking man's escort website. If you are reading this, I would probably not consider you a flake. Thinking about my top clients, who are almost all guys I have known for years, almost every one of them found me on hooboy, and almost every one started our relationship with a brief, thoughtful, and sometimes moving email about who they were, what motivated them to contact me, and what they were really looking for. Most emails I get from most readers of this site are in that ballpark. I can't tell you how much I love getting emails like that. None of this is surprising stuff. Hooboy's site is essentially about words, thought, and analysis - albeit of meaty guys with big cocks :-) - whereas rentboy is just about pictures of meat and cock, period.

 

So the point I am getting to is that during a week in which I have felt violated and objectified anyway, it is less than pleasant to be reading about myself and some other escort in a way that compares us like two pork chops being sized up in the meat section of Safeway. It is actually kind of embarassing. All through grade school, I was a skinny, insecure kid, and I was usually the last person picked on a team during gym class. I hated gym class, and getting over my insecurities around my body took a long time. At some point along the way, I discovered the gym, and developed a body, self-concept, and lifestyle that fits with the image of an escort. But that doesn't mean I like that kind of competition - "STEVEN: BECAUSE HE'S THICKER!" - any better. If anything, I think my real gift as an escort is that I know what it is like to feel insecure about my body. I think it is because of that part of my past that I don't have that hard a time empathizing with people who consider themselves fat, ugly, or unwanted. Thanks again to my clients who basically said this: my calling card is personality, not muscle.

 

The other issue this brings to mind is the use of steroids. I have had some interesting discussions with clients about this, because basically I think that any further significant improvement to my muscles can only result from : 1) rearranging my lifestyle around maximizing my time in the gym, i.e. becoming a bodybuilder, or or 2) using steroids. The general reaction I get when I bring this up is: "So what is the problem you are trying to fix?" :-) Actually, several years ago I told a client I wished I looked like Mark Dalton, and he reacted with the best line I ever heard about body worship: "That's easy, you only have to do three things. Get different parents, build a time machine, and find a good chemist."

 

I have several escort buddies who occassionally cycle, and as far as I can tell a cycle goes something like this: Before they use steroids, they look great. While they are using steroids, they look even greater. After they stop using steroids, they quickly go back to looking like what they looked like before, which is great. So I assume that if I follow that route, and want to look even greater all the time, I really do need to find that chemist. And also perhaps a doctor and a lawyer. Several of the "gay" models and porn stars I have most lusted after in the last decade ended up either in jail (which presumably had little to do with their steroid use) or in the hospital with organ failure (which probably had a lot to do with their steroid use).

 

At this point in my whining, I think I need to admit that I am quite aware of the fact that I get paid a lot of money per hour precisely because I make representations (through words and pictures) about my body. So it should not, and does not, come as a shock that people would want to evaluate me that way. In many ways, evaluating bodies is exactly what this site is about.

 

Having said that, 75 reviews into my career I have rarely felt like I was treated like a piece of meat, either in print on this site, or in person by the clients who hired me after reading about me on this site. I have had a lot of sex with other escorts, and my own two cents would be that any escort who really gets into be worshipped is probably not one I am going to really enjoy having sex with. It's all about the attitude!

 

Actually, to balance my comments out a little bit, I'll tell you about my last muscle worship experience. I ended spending all night Friday in a sex club in Amsterdam about a month ago, and one of several muscle studs I played with didn't speak any language I speak, so instead of speaking I just kind of set the tone by starting to worship his body. I think we spent about an hour together, and he did nothing other than let me worship about one square foot of his body, which happened to include this big juicy cock, nice low hanging balls, and a perfect smooth tasty hole. As these sorts of things go, I was quite happy. I can't tell you his name, his political beliefs, or where he lives, but it was a very pleasant way to spend an hour, so I can't pan the notion of muscle worship.

 

I then spent the rest of the weekend mostly in a bed in a hotel room with a fuck buddy that doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the gym. Granted, genetically he was blessed with an ass to die for (or at least to fuck repeatedly) and beefy legs, but what really sent me to heaven was his ability to be sexually and emotionally vulnerable, not his body.

 

I love intimacy. I don't think I'm the best "muscle fantasy" escort out there, so if that is what you are into, there you have it.

 

I'm also not trying to criticize the author of this thread. He sent me a clear, thoughtful email outlining what he is interested in, and I appreciate that. He seems sweet, and I'm sorry he has had several unsuccessful experiences that cost him time and money. Now, to be blunt, I can't help wondering if part of the reason this individual has had "some totally stupid sessions" with escorts who "misrepresented their body type" is because of the expectations he has about levels of muscle striation and percentages of body fat. I know I have been able to figure out how to have very fulfilling sexual experiences with clients who have less-than-ideal muscles and body fat. I realize I am the one getting paid here, but I am a little intimidated by a client who expects mine to be perfect - or at least whatever they are supposed to be to be deserving of worship. Honestly, if that is the criteria, I would be worried it would end up like one of those nasty games I got picked last for in grade school. At least in grade school, somebody won, even if it wasn't me. This sounds more like a lose-lose. If you don't mind some free advice, with the intent of helping you create win-win encounters, I would pick someone that looks like Trent, me, or anyone that really turns you on (which I take as a huge compliment, thanks!) - that way you have that in your back pocket. Then FORGET about the muscles and other preconceived ideas about whether that person is worthy of being worshipped, or kissed, or whatever. Instead, focus on finding out what really turns the other person on, and run with it. It works like a charm for me most of the time. You did not report any information about your good experiences with escorts, and you use a handle that includes the word "novice," so I may be making an assumption, but it doesn't seem like you have a lot to lose by trying something different.

 

Anyways, like I said, I know I am whining. But hey: it's my party, and I can cry if I want to. :-) It just seemed like a good opportunity to be me, not meat.

 

The other reason I posted this is because I was bummed out when the message center shut down and I am very glad to see it back again. This site is great. From my perspective, it channels and reinforces a tone and an approach that has made escorting very fulfilling for me. In 2002 I posted regularly on the message center, and then I stopped, mostly because I just don't have a whole lot of free time. I think the recent effort to set high standards for what gets said on the site makes sense, and I decided that I should make it a priority to post something that hopefully comes across as thoughtful once in a while. So a thread sizing me up like a piece of meat seemed like the perfect opportunity to do that. Of course, I have chosen to do it in my inimitable longwinded and rambling way, a less-than-perfect quality which my clients have fortunately found it in their hearts to accept. :-) Thanks guys.

 

Steven>

[flguy]

Steven, Your response is indicative of your success and why you are appreciated and enjoyed by so many of us. Its been over a year since you visited but we still touch base once in awhile, you truly are a class act. Thanks for being there and taking some of the "objectiveness" out of the process of selecting someone to spend some quality time with. And Novice, you couldn't make a better choice then Steven. Let yourself go... and enjoy.

[noviceny]

Now that is a thoughtful and wonderful response. I hit you back with an email but just wanted to clarify, cause I feel bad that I made it sound like "two pork chops being sized up in the meat section of Safeway." BTW that is a great phrase.

 

I re-read the posts and althought I am looking for a guy with muscles and a certain body type, the fact that I choose two person with somewhat different physiques should show that Im not all about huge ripped guys.

 

My best review and best time was with this guy Eric, who was 5'8 and about 160...most intimate and blew the biggest guys away cause of his attitude, confidence and his heart. He no longers escorts, which is good cause I definietly need to grow a bit, which is what Im trying to do.

 

We had a great post awhile back on "muscle worship" Its important to not that this thread says nothing about muscle worship and my usual scenario thus far has been someone who can use his muscle to seduce me. I think muscle worship is not understood by many people, but I also seem to be a guy who is a bit different in the muscle world. I do not like domination or pure objectification...its the body type that is cool and I dont get in to people being assholes or all about themselves (which is a concern with this body type). However, the same goes for other types of people, who have narcissistic tendencies.

 

Either way, notice that I spoke of both guys reviews and asked if people had personal experience. The reference to the pics was to make sure they were current and not to size up whether or not the two body types were comparable.

 

Bodies are awesome and we all have our preference. After 35 years of not allowing myself access to guys, I am more than willing to be with a range of guys, but muscle is always a turn on for me. However, I would never want anyone to feel like meat and that is the danger of the business and our posts.

 

You have my respect for your introspection and your analysis of situations and people. I am sure you are a man who continues those practices in all aspects of your life and not just your business

 

Much luck and happiness to you

 

Jim

[+ bigjoey]

i have often said that the escort messages in the message center tell more about the escort than the reviews. from what steven wrote, he is clearly a top notch escort. personally, i find intelligence very sexy and his reply in this thread shows his intelligence.

 

while we have never met, he has shown me he is the type of person i would love to spend time. keep up the good work.

[noviceny]

Just re-read this thread and my comments especially this one :

 

 

"His reviews are great, but I am also not looking for a lot of heavy stuff, so performance is not as much a factor as is personality and body."

 

I did not refer to either guys as pieces of meat and the muscle worship aspect was not even mentioned. I did speak of the body types, but that should be of little concern.

 

Actually, after re-reading this, I dont understand or agree with the conclusions...there really was no such focus or reduction of the individual. My initial reaction was cause I fely bad that someone felt bad, but I dont think my original statement or responses would logically cause that.

 

However, the well thought out response is still thoughful and speaks of a cool person. It just doesnt speak to much of what I wrote.

[+ Axiom2001]

Damn, Steven, you wrote oh so much!! I read the first six paragraphs and stopped. :9

 

I do hope the guy chooses you because the review of you in the recent 3way in SF affected my interests big time! I know the other escort involved ® quite well and thought well maybe before summer ends I'll try seriously to see you and him together!

 

Hope my wishful anticipation comes to fruition! Axiom- :9 :9 :9

[augustman]

Dear Noviceny:

I have always enjoyed your posts, our choice in men is very similar. I have not only been with Steven several times, I too had the opportunity to be part of the selection process for his pictures. What you see is only a part of what you get. You will get probably one of the most dependable, mature, and studs you could ever want. I can tell you he offered me a great deal, changed his flight schedule to accomodate me, drove to 100 miles to meet (was actually early)then have had a couple of the greatest sessions I have ever had the pleasure of having. If you want conversation he has some fantasic travel experiences and life experiences that just make the time spent with him pure joy.

I can only add that you gave two choices, the responses have been 100% in favor of Steven what more can be said.

[+ stevenkesslar]

>>

>I do hope the guy chooses you because the review of you in the

>recent 3way in SF affected my interests big time! I know the

>other escort involved ® quite well and thought well maybe

>before summer ends I'll try seriously to see you and him

>together!

>

>Hope my wishful anticipation comes to fruition!

 

 

You mean CUMS to fruition, right? LOL

 

Speaking of muscle worship, picture this: Ricardo, this hot Brazilian muscle stud, lying in the middle of my bed, with me on one side, and my client on the other, working his ripe juicy nipples with our tongues while his thick Brazilian cock bobbed up and down. Obviously he needed attention down there so I grabbed his cock, slipped my meat inside him, and fucked the cum right out of him. Now that is the kind of muscle worship I get into!

 

Hope to see you soon! :-)

 

Steven

[noviceny]

hehehehehehe...that was pretty good :-)