New York Sting

[Boston Guy]

LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-01 AT 10:10PM (EST)[p]Hi Guys -

 

It's been a long time since I've posted here, long enough that my account was evidently deleted and had to be re-created.

 

I wanted to warn guys in the New York area that the NYC police have been conducting stings using mid-town hotels.

 

Several escorts were arrested last week at the Marriott Marquis (which happens to be across the street from the Gaiety). My understanding of the way the sting proceeded is as follows: the escorts were contacted by a 'client' across the Internet; when the escort showed up at the hotel, the 'client' immediately handed over the money (and evidently seemed a bit nervous himself); the 'client' encouraged the escort to take off his clothes; as soon as he did and then reached out to touch the 'client', the other police burst into the room and conducted the arrest.

 

Caution is advised to all.

[Justice]

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LAST EDITED ON Feb-10-01 AT 11:53 PM (EST)

 

Guiliani has gone after the "adult" entertainment business in a big way, so it would not surprise me if the vice squad has turned its attention to internet based escorting. Please, be very careful. As I've repeated in several posts, I almost bolted when a New York based escort asked for his money up front. Escorts would be wise to do the same if they encounter anything that even remotely resembles the above described situation. Its better to have to deal with a disgrunted client (and a possible negative review) then to spend a single second in jail.

 

Clients have a big advantage over escorts. We can use this site to check out our potential dates. Escort's have no way of checking out a client. Therefore, escorts should start insisting upon a verifiable phone number from all new clients. You don't have to actually call the client. You can do a reverse lookup from most online directory assistance (i.e, 555-1212.com) services. Reverse look ups don't work for cell phone numbers and don't usually work for unlisted phone numbers and for some business numbers, so you need to take that all of that into consideration. (Also, newly assigned phone numbers sometimes show the listing for the previous holder of the number. Area code changes sometimes cause reverse lookup software problems when the change is first implemented.) However, its better to pass on a client (and again risk a negative review) then to spend a single second in jail.

 

Please be careful out there.

[Guest bigjake80]

RE: New York Sting (NO CASH UP FRONT)

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-01 AT 03:24PM (EST)[p]I myself have decided that for my own safety, I will be using a "no cash up front" policy. I of course would never ask a client for money up front, but every so often you do get those clients that INSIST on giving you the money first (it has always scared me when they do that. From now on,if the client attempts to exchange or even discuss money before or during the massage I will end the session immediatly (new clients only of course). I am including this policy in all of my email that I send for my address, so they will be warned. My rate is clearly posted on my page, so there is no need to discuss it. Its actually best for the clients as well, because we all know that an escort asking for money up front (unless its through an agency) is a bad sign. It sounds harsh, and I would would handle better than it comes across in this post, but I have no intention of going to jail. Asking for a verifiable number does nothing. The police as a rule like to work out of hotels, as it is a controlled situation. They know there are no guns hidden around the house, they can have cops next door waiting,and also video tape the whole thing so it will hold up in court. All you can do to verify a hotel number is see if the person staying in the room is who he says he is.

 

Id like to add one other thing...This message board is a perfect way for us to keep in touch. Every NY escort that is reading this, tell all of your comrades about this board. From now on, if anybody is busted or hears of someone being busted, post it. Not just the incident, but the details. What hotel, what time, how the conversation took place, post any emails that are exchanged between you and the arresting officer. We can make this work to keep us safe. Hooboy, please consider a new conversation group just for police stings. You have made a wonderful resource for protecting the clients from scams, bad operators, etc. Now how about helping the escorts stay safe? The escorts and clients can post threads about police activity throughout the country. Please consider it.

[Guest shadow]

RE: New York Sting (NO CASH UP FRONT)

 

Wow,

 

I'm glad that I heard about this. Too bad for the escorts who were arrested. This is enough to make a person shy away from New York for a while. I wonder why the police decided to target male escorts all of a sudden. Were people at the Marriott complaining or something?

 

I agree with the previous post. A message board dedicated to police activity would not be such a bad idea.

[Troyster]

As someone said too bad for the escorts -- clearly NYC is trying to cut down on the traffic I guess. At least it was not the customers :-)

 

One stupid question -- how does Boston Guy know about this sting?

[marc anthony]

RE: New York Sting (NO CASH UP FRONT)

 

Actually, I had a problem with the Marriott. Security called my room one night when I was with an escort and asked if I was in there alone. I told them it was none of their business, but I have never stayed in that hotel again since that time. They charge like $400 a night, and then they hassle you. Better to stay elsewhere. Lots of fish in that ocean!

[+ Lucky]

I don't think it is such a stupid question!

[Boston Guy]

Well, as far as I know there were only two parties to each of these stings: the police and the escort. Folks who have been around this board long enough will know that I am not an escort. And I can assure you that the police didn't tell me.

 

So that seems to leave only one possibility, that one of the escorts involved told me -- which is exactly what happened.

 

I'm not comfortable divulging any more information than that because I don't want to violate the privacy of the escort who told me or damage his legal proceedings in any way. But this seemed noteworthy enough to let guys in New York know that they should be careful.

[Guest Traveler]

>My understanding of the way

>the sting proceeded is as

>follows: the escorts were

>contacted by a 'client' across

>the Internet; when the escort

>showed up at the hotel,

>the 'client' immediately handed over

>the money (and evidently seemed

>a bit nervous himself); the

>'client' encouraged the escort to

>take off his clothes; as

>soon as he did and

>then reached out to touch

>the 'client', the other police

>burst into the room and

>conducted the arrest.

 

I have another suggestion for the escorts (in addition to not asking for the money upfront). Don't finish undressing until the client starts undressing himself, and don't let him touch you unless he's naked, or at least in his underwear. Another alternative is to get frisky before removing your clothes. For example, give him a nice kiss with good tongue action before taking your clothes off. I doubt any cop is going to either get naked or accept a full French kiss from an escort in the line of duty. Since I always insist on good, deep kissers before I hire an escort, I always make sure I'm not involved with a cop by getting a deep, romantic kiss right off the bat. Police have tight scripts they have to follow. Don't let them control the scripts--it'll ruin their procedure and scare them off. Well, it should at least.

[Bilbo]

I don't know what percentage of police involved in stings are wearing mikes. I know that mine was. He looked nervous and I walked behind him and started to rub his shoulders through his clothes. He rejected that immediately, which should have sent up a real flag on the play for me. And it is often quite sexy to undress the client while you are kissing him and before you're naked, too. Also, look for suspicious people in the hallway on the way to his room. The cops aren't always in another room, they're sometimes out there. But, you know what they say, if the bullet's got your name on it ...

[Justice]

RE: New York Sting -- Verifying telephone numbers

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-01 AT 10:31AM (EST)[p]

>Asking for a verifiable number

>does nothing. The police as

>a rule like to work

>out of hotels, as it

>is a controlled situation. They

>know there are no guns

>hidden around the house, they

>can have cops next door

>waiting,and also video tape the

>whole thing so it will

>hold up in court. All

>you can do to verify

>a hotel number is see

>if the person staying in

>the room is who he

>says he is.

 

 

If a NEW client says that he's staying at a hotel, then ask him where he's from and, more importantly, for his HOME phone number -- including the area code. If he refuses to give you that number, then pass on the date. It's that simple. It's better to be safe than sorry. You can attempt to verify his HOME phone number through the reverse lookup feature that's part of most online directory assistance services. The service that I'm most familiar with is 555-1212.com and its reverse lookup feature works on both US and Canadian telephone numbers. That may cause you to refuse clients from other countries, but again its better to be safe than sorry. As I mentioned in my earlier post, reverse lookups won't work for cell phone numbers, for most unlisted phone numbers, and for some business numbers. (Area code changes and newly assigned phone numbers can also produce incorrect results.) There's several online directory services and I strongly suggest that you use more than one in this effort. Especially, if your initial attempt does not produce any results. Remember your not going to call the number, your just checking to see that it's actually been assigned to someone. If the guy is married, has a roommate, or lives with a parent then the phone may be listed in some one else's name. That's fine. You're just checking to see that there's a listed phone number attached to an address in your client's home town. If you can't verify the number than call the client at his hotel and cancel the date. It's better to forgo the fee (and deal with a possible negative review), then to spend a single second in jail. There are no guarantees in life and I realize that this procedure will not insure that you're not walking into a trap, but it's better than nothing. (Remember we're talking about a NEW client who is staying at a HOTEL. It's better to be safe than sorry.)

[Guest regulation]

RE: New York Sting (NO CASH UP FRONT)

 

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-11-01

>AT 03:24 PM (EST)

>

 

>Id like to add one other

>thing...This message board is a

>perfect way for us to

>keep in touch. Every NY

>escort that is reading this,

>tell all of your comrades

>about this board. From now

>on, if anybody is busted

>or hears of someone being

>busted, post it. Not just

>the incident, but the details.

>What hotel, what time, how

>the conversation took place, post

>any emails that are exchanged

>between you and the arresting

>officer. We can make this

>work to keep us safe.

>Hooboy, please consider a new

>conversation group just for police

>stings. You have made a

>wonderful resource for protecting the

>clients from scams, bad operators,

>etc. Now how about helping

>the escorts stay safe? The

>escorts and clients can post

>threads about police activity throughout

>the country. Please consider it.

>

 

 

I would advise Hooboy NOT to consider maintaining a message board for the purpose of helping escorts avoid police stings. Anyone who did that would be at risk for some rather heavy criminal charges. To the best of my knowledge, prostitution is still a misdemeanor in New York. Conspiracy and Obstructing Justice are not misdemeanors.

[Guest bigjake80]

RE: New York Sting (NO CASH UP FRONT)

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-12-01 AT 02:24PM (EST)[p]>I would advise Hooboy NOT to

>consider maintaining a message board

>for the purpose of helping

>escorts avoid police stings.

>Anyone who did that would

>be at risk for some

>rather heavy criminal charges.

>To the best of my

>knowledge, prostitution is still a

>misdemeanor in New York.

>Conspiracy and Obstructing Justice are

>not misdemeanors.

 

Fine, Ill start one myself then. Geez.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

> I have another suggestion

>for the escorts (in addition

>to not asking for the

>money upfront).

 

Not taking the money up front is very smart and besides, it's good form too. Yes, rarely a client may rip off an escort, just as an escort rarely rips off a client -- such is the cost of doing business. Much less costly than a bust though. :-(

 

>... Another alternative ...

>give him a nice

>kiss with good tongue action

>before taking your clothes off.

> I doubt any cop

>is going to... accept a full

>French kiss from an escort

>in the line of duty.

 

Traveler, you are right on here, in spades!!!!! Kissing is definitely beyond the call of duty, as they see it -- I'll bet.

 

These two steps taken together would seem to identify, up front, cops and to a lesser extent disingenuous parties. After the action has been initiated then those escorts feeling really dubious about the client might ask to see the money -- if they must. And the client, if asked, should show the money but not tender it until the conclusion. That should satisify all involved who are above board.

 

Interestingly enough, I have never been asked for money up front... so I guess I'm due.

[Guest EvilSwine]

You know, you mention clients or escorts ripping one another off. I'm just curious. I see these cute little guys like the new one, Jacob in New Orleans or Jeremy in NYC who are 5'7" or less and under 140 pounds. How do these guys deal with it if a client decides to rip them off? I mean, someone like Matty or Rod or one of the other big 6-foot+ and muscle guys seem to me to be able to take care of themselves, but I'd hate to be one of these little guys. I know it's off-topic, but I started to wonder when I saw reviews of these younger, smaller twinkies. They could really get messed up if they ran into someone who wanted to be an asshole...and that would be a shame, cuz they're so cute.

[Guest shadow]

aaaah,

 

there's nothing that turns me on more than talking about cute little twinkies

[Guest EvilSwine]

Shadow-

 

yeah..and they're so cute and cuddly. Matty is BIG and cuddly, but you look at some of these little guys and you just wanna eat them all up....wonder why that is? I mean, what is it about these twinkies that is so hot? Maybe there should be a new thread on "Why Twinkies Are Hot?"

[Rick Munroe]

>I mean, what is it

>about these twinkies that is

>so hot?

 

esp. the ones whose dicks are the same size as their bodies...yum

[Guest EvilSwine]

Yeah..what's up with that? But.....oooo....watching the acorn grow....

[Guest jizzdepapi]

this stuff really pisses me off. so Giuliani didn't have to use a gay dance theatre or a rent-a-boy service to get his bootie, he just fucked an ambitious (married?) office aide. Did anyone notice that the whole "family values" campaign has been brought to us by mostly straight-white-politicians-who-divorced-their-first-wives-and-married-a-chippie? How about Bob Dole serving divorce papers on his first wife while she was in the hospital and had been first informed that she had cancer. These people are really twisted if you ask me.

 

Last year, when there was the big controversy over the Brooklyn Museum exhibit, someone went around the East Village spray-painting, "For God so loved the world that he sent his only-begotten son, Rudy Giuliani." lol

 

Curious--what happens with prosecutions of escorts? Do they hold up in court or are the charges dismissed? Also, what about the johns--does any court system go after them too?

 

jizz de papi

[Guest Raffy]

>Did anyone notice that

>the whole "family values" campaign

>has been brought to us

>by mostly straight-white-politicians-who- divorced-their-first-wives-and-married-a-chippie? How about

>Bob Dole serving divorce papers

>on his first wife while

>she was in the hospital

>and had been first informed

>that she had cancer.

 

I agree with you, Jizz, but just want to clarify: That was Newt Gingrich who dumped his wife while she was hospitalized. Bob Dole's the one who needs Viagra to do it to his chippie wife, Elizabeth Dole. ;-)

[Guest regulation]

>this stuff really pisses me off.

>so Giuliani didn't have to

>use a gay dance theatre

>or a rent-a-boy service to

>get his bootie, he just

>fucked an ambitious (married?) office

>aide.

 

Unless the sting operation we're talking about has gotten a lot of play in the media, I doubt that Giuliani even knows about it. He doesn't run NYPD on a day-to-day basis, and even if he did he wouldn't know what every one of the more than 30,000 officers is doing at any given time.

 

 

>Last year, when there was the

>big controversy over the Brooklyn

>Museum exhibit, someone went around

>the East Village spray-painting, "For

>God so loved the world

>that he sent his only-begotten

>son, Rudy Giuliani." lol

>

 

Just what the world needs -- more graffitti.

 

 

>Curious--what happens with prosecutions of escorts?

>Do they hold up in

>court or are the charges

>dismissed? Also, what about the

>johns--does any court system go

>after them too?

>

 

Prostitution charges rarely go to trial -- the defendants usually plead out because they have no chance of winning at trial and because the DA doesn't want to go to the trouble of trying the case. And yes, NYPD and other big city police agencies do occasionally run stings designed to catch johns rather than prostitutes. In such stings the undercover cops pose as prostitutes rather than as clients.

[Guest DickHo]

Has anyone else noticed that there are now two Travellers on this board: Traveller (the original) and Traveler (the new arrival)...multiple personalities, impostor, or just a coincidence?

[Justice]

New York radio station 1010 wins (http://www.1010wins.com), in a copyrighted story, is reporting that there was a police raid of a very expensive straight escort service. The report claims that the cops began their investigation as a result of an anonymous complaint. The report further claims that an undercover cop was told that the escort offered "everything" for a fee and that he signed a credit card slip, but left without touching her. (This sounds like your typical sting.) According to the report, the alleged madam has been arrested and that her bank accounts have been seized.

[Bilbo]

At least over here in Houston, I am told that the police often are lying when they say that there was an "annonymous complaint." I asked this after my court case to make sure that whoever had complained about me wasn't somebody I needed to watch to make sure he/she didn't come after me some other way as well. Sure seems to me to go against what I had thought was the American Way - being able to be confronted with your accuser. Which I thought might go back in the UK as far as the Magna Carta. But I am obviously not a lawyer.