"No-Shows"

[Guest Travis69]

In talking to escorts I find the one aspect of the business that upsets them alot is "no-shows". People who make appointments and then just don't show up. No phone call. Nothing. For some it has made them stop advertising and they just see "regulars" and referrals. For some it stops them from taking calls from pay phones or cell phones. In the long run this hurts clients. Does it take so much time to just call and cancel the appointment?

[Guest Tall Texn]

I agree. At the same time when I have booked an escort and they neither show nor call, I make it a point to let others know of the "attitude."

[Guest WetDream]

Not showing up is a big drag. Also, I wonder why so many escorts that advertise with their phone numbers never return a call? Any answers out there?

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-01 AT 03:07PM (EST)[p]>In talking to escorts I find

>the one aspect of the

>business that upsets them alot

>is "no-shows".

 

I don't blame them!! One of the few things for which I'll submit a bad escort review is a NO SHOW, that is unless there is a reasonable explanation. I don't think that escorts should expect less of us clients than we expect of them.

[Matt_Vancouver]

It is a pain when someone doesn't show up for a scheduled appointment, but unfortunatly there isn't a whole lot an escort can do about it. I will usually have a number where I can reach them, but not always, and even with the number there is still not a lot I can do when someone doesn't show up.

It's not like I'm going to continue to harrass them or anything.

You just take it as part of the business, it sucks, but it will happen.

What angers me more though is when a client books an overnight with me, and I have to turn away other bookings, (I only see one client/day) and then doesn't show up. This happened to me recently and I gave the guy the benefit of the doubt, emailed him and said "I'm going to assume something extremely important came up, because for you to not show up, without a call or anything, would make you a huge asshole"

Take it as it comes.

matt(a very sick boy today, sniffle, cough)

pity me damnit!

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Guest Taylor]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-01 AT 07:33PM (EST)[p]Yeah, it's part of this business but it still pisses me off. Since I live in Hawaii, I make travel arrangements based on client commitments for appointments. So, when I travel to a city, reserve a prime part of the day for a client, then he doesn't show up or cancels at the last minute (less than 24 hours), it really screws me up. Those clients I write off completely. Some clients, though, understand my situation with travel costs and all and provide me with a cancellation fee. For anything more than several hours with new clients, I require a deposit to reserve the time.

 

Taylor from Hawaii

[link]http://www.zing.com/album/pictures.html?id=4293418049[/link]

[Guest Joey Ciccone]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-01 AT 03:59AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-01 AT 03:56 AM (EST)

 

"Does it take so much time to just call and cancel the appointment?"

A damn good question. As Matt says tho', it seems to be an unavoidable occurrance in this business. And although a simple call would help make an escorts life a bit easier, sometimes even that isn't enough to keep me from getting screwed by whimsical or thoughtless clients.

As an escort, I mostly entertain while travelling, and will sometimes alter my itinerary to stop off in some city at a clients' eleventh hour request. As you all know, that change alone comes at no small cost from the airline if you're flying. So I'll pay the extra fee, then go and book a room, only to check in and find a message that my client can't make the appointment (and I'm lucky if there even IS a message). So I'm out a hundred an' fifty clams, prob'ly more, and I've lost a days productivity, where I may conceivably have earned a grand. Not to mention the lost earnings from the original appointment, which I may have been counting on to help defer the cost of the change in travel plans. This has only happened a couple of times, but it really sucked on both occassions.

Clients need to realise that escorting is a business (albeit a fun, exciting, and illicit one), just like the businesses where many of them work and toil while trying to earn enough extra dough to afford an escort from time to time. As such, we need to run our 'operations' the same way any other business owner would. If the client were, say, a publisher, and the escort a facility where printing was done, and that publisher reserved press time (which is not cheap), he'd pay for that press time whether the presses were actually run or not. And if that isn't an obscure enough capitalist analogy for you, then the only other thing I can add is a plea to all clients to please, if at all avoidable, don't disappoint us with no-shows. Not only does it prohibit the fulfillment of our career dreams (sic), but we look forward to our time with you. I know that I, as an escort, have always done my damndest to never disappoint a client in that, or any other way. Thanks for listening.

 

Joey Ciccone

http://www.manicpress.com/joey/

[Justice]

LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-01 AT 00:33AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-01 AT 00:30 AM (EST)

 

LAST EDITED ON Jan-05-01 AT 00:27 AM (EST)

 

As someone who is new to escorting and admittedly so terrified that his New Year's resolution is to stop seeing escorts, I can very much relate to this thread. I saw my first escort in October 2000. You can say that I started my brief journey down this very difficult road with a bang because I used Maximum Escorts' Fantasy Service to act out a very specific and very detailed fantasy. (The fantasy was so detailed that I even specified the kind of underwear that I wanted the escort to wear.) I agonized for months over my my decision to hire an escort. I told myself that I must be having a midlife crisis (I just turned 44) and that I should just keep the fantasy to myself and not risk getting into any kind of trouble with the law, etc. In the end, I couldn't stop myself. I did a search for "Male Escorts" found this site, clicked on Maximum's banner and the rest as they say is history. Everything worked out well, (I did manage to enjoy myself) but I was convinced that I was going to get arrested until the minute I got home. I did every thing by the book. I described everything that I wanted to happen during the session, and I never discussed fees. They brought up their rate. Even so, I couldn't get the thought of being arrested -- and the resulting damage to my reputation and maybe even my career -- out of my head . I came very close to canceling the appointment at the very last minute. The whole experience was so unnerving that I resolved never to hire another escort. Well, as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with the best intentions, because I've done it again. I've scheduled a session with a very popular escort. He's got over a dozen glowing reviews, posts on this board, and seems like a very nice guy. (His e-mails made it clear that he's looking forward to meeting me and even though I obviously woke him out of a sound sleep, was fantastic on the phone.) We've agreed on the scene (again, I've even described the kind of underwear that I want him to wear), the date, the time and the location. After everything was settled, I asked him "What's the rate for your time?". There should be no problem. Part of me is very much looking forward to getting together with him. Part of me is terrified. I now know -- beyond a shadow of doubt -- that I can no longer do this. It's just not worth it. Will I keep the appointment? Probably. But I won't know for sure until I actually ring his bell. I know that this isn't fair to the escort. He's a real person, with real feelings, and real bills to pay. If I cancel (or even worse if I don't showup), I'm know that going to cost him money because he could have scheduled another client. I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'm sure that I'm not the only client who experiences these feelings. So for all you escorts out there -- please understand that some clients who cancel aren't trying to screw you (no pun intended) we're just scared out of our wits. Thanks for listening.

[Guest gr8guy]

I feel like I should add a little equal time from the client side here. First of all, I have never been a 'no show' with an escort because I understand that their time is valuable and that it is, in the end, a job.

 

I wish that all escorts were as thoughtful of my time. I have had a number of meetings when an escort has cancelled at the last minute and failed to let me know. In one instance, we were supposed to me at a cafe and I thought I recognized the guy when he walked in. I started to talk to him....but it wasn't the escort. Very embarrassing. And it wasn't until later that I contacted the escort who had cancelled for a lame reason without letting me know. He was the no-show.

 

In another instance, a very well-known escort was passing through SF and we planned to meet at his hotel. I went there and waited for 30 minutes past our meeting time. No-show. He later apologized and we re-scheduled. Once again, he didn't show up at the hotel on time. (We eventually met through my own perseverance.)

 

So, respect and consideration is a two-way street. Or perhaps even an intersection.

[+ bigjoey]

dear justice,

i was frightened my first few times, too. however, if you decide to cancel from your second visit, i would think the least you could do is pay the escort. call it a "gift" but you did reserve his time which is what he is selling and he held that time for you. you do not have to go through the actual meeting and do any acts. a second suggestion would be to meet with him and just go to dinner and talk; the very best escorts are more than just a "sex machine" and they usually have very good people skills. just talking with him could help put you at ease and you would still have a good time. do not forget that your relationship is a business one with responsibilities on both parties; i feel that yours is to pay for what you bought which is a block of time.

[adriano46]

Guys,

 

I have only once done the "no show" but I did tell the escort 3 hours before the meeting. I made it up to him too a month and a half later, and he was worth the time :-)

 

I agree with what some wrote here: if you have such fears and doubts, have enough decency to tell the escort honestly, rather than leaving him out in the cold. Similarly, escorts who string clients along then drop them and disappear should be "outed" which is one service this site offers.

 

Justice, I can imagine what your profession is, but I think you may be better off avoiding all escorts in your home town (area), and leave yourself open to playing when elsewhere. This works for me. I will add thatafter my first escorts experience I was so guilt-ridden I did not see an esocrt again for almost 5 years... what a waste of time I find that now, as I have met some wonderful men out there. Jusitce, since you obviously wotk in the law arena why not work to prosecute and put away those cops who make our lives so miserable???

[N.N.]

I would also like to know why so many calls to escorts

are never returned. Can any escorts comment on why

this happens?

 

I sometimes call escorts in advance of when I'm going to be

traveling to their town. I have a choice; I can leave my

regular number on their pager or voice mail, or I can leave

my toll-free number. Both have their disadvantages.

 

Escorts may be reluctant to call an out-of-town number,

either because they don't want to pay for long distance,

or because they figure it's less likely to be a serious client.

 

On the other hand, some escorts seem unwilling to call

back to a toll-free number; maybe they know that I will

find out the number they're calling from (unlike regular

caller-id, the number identification for calls to

toll-free numbers cannot be disabled by the caller).

 

It can be a challenge trying to set up appointments

in advance from out of town.

[+ deej]

Matt, dear,

 

It's difficult for me to believe someone would no-show on you.

 

Personally, I can't WAIT for our time together!

[Matt_Vancouver]

Sometimes when a guy calls and leaves a message, I may be out of town seeing others. Therefore it may be too late once I retrieve the message to call. IE if they leave a hotel #, they may have already checked out.

That said, I do return all calls, unless as stated above.

My personal preference is to arrange all via email. That allows me to have a record, as opposed to a little piece of paper, and since I'm on my computer I can automatically insert the pertinent information into my date book: )

matt(organisation boy)

 

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Matt_Vancouver]

shucks: )

actually the best no show I ever had...who knew it could be a good thing, was this guy from chicago, he felt to bad for cancelling last minute, that he emailed me a gift certificate from amazon.com, which I used to buy a dvd player....I want to thank him for that, I did repeatedly, but it was a long time ago and I don't have his email anymore, IF YOU ARE READING THIS>>> THANK YOU!!!

Matt(Loves presents: )

http://go.to/mattsplace

matt_escort@yahoo.com

[Justice]

Thanks guys. Your suggestions and concern are truly appreciated. I'm still agonizing about what to do. I'm probably going to see him. (It's really not fair to him.) He knows the scene and I know that rate for his time. I'll play the whole thing by ear. Part of me says that many of his clients are probably novices that he'll know how to deal with my nervousness, and that I really will enjoy myself.(As I mentioned in my previous post -- he's gotten over a dozen glowing reviews. He must be doing something right!) (If I do decide to go through with it, I'm going to let him take full control. He knows how I'd like to spend our time together.) Another part of me says that I should just show up, tactfully explain that my decision to seek him out was a very big mistake, insist upon paying him his fee (I'll call it a belated Christmas gift) and leave. I still have to deal with a couple of days of agony and self doubt. I won't be doing this (in this country) for a long, long time. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again.

[Guest DaveRave]

DonMatthew #2 in NYC

 

Just tonight I had something worse than a no-show escort, Matthew #2 in NYC. He had been recommended by Alex West, so I was pretty sure he would be good. I told Matthew about myself on the phone and what I was looking for. He was up for it and we made a time to meet. I drove two and a half hours into NYC from way out of town specifically for this.

 

I waited on a streetcorner in Manhattan in chilly weather for over half an hour. After 15 minutes I phoned him and he told me he was on his way. While I'm waiting there I was approached by another escort who had arranged to meet his client at the same corner, coincidentally. Finally Matthew shows up, but gives me the cold shoulder. I knew it was him because I had seen his pics. He waited for me to phone him from 10 yards away to tell me he wasn't sexually attracted to me. He told me what a big favor he was doing for me by not taking my money. What an ass.

 

I am not a Chelsea boy, but I'm a goodlooking straight looking man in my 40s with a full head of hair, not grossly overweight, excellent personal hygiene and very friendly. If I were any better looking I wouldn't be paying for it, and there are lots of other escorts who find me a lot of fun and even sexy. If Matthew wants to be an escort, he ought to warn potential clients that they have to pass muster before he will consider them.

[Guest DaveRave]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

While we are on the subject of no-shows, I should also mention that the much-touted Sean Armstrong of Chicago was also a no show for me in November. I wrote a long email about it to HooBoy, but somehow it never saw the light of day.

 

 

"honest in our judgements and truthful in reporting?"

[Guest DaveRave]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Hoo, with all due respect, you are the one who is full of shit. What exactly did your "investigation" consist of? I wrote you in full detail exactly what happened, in a balanced and fair manner. It's not a matter of opinion if an escort shows up at the appointed time or not. Whatever the reason, Sean and Casey seem to feel that they are immune from criticism, and it appears there's a reason they feel that way.

 

The fact is that you play favorites. Whether that is because you receive money in the form of advertising from escorts or because you get special treatment from them is fair game for speculation.

 

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, sir.

[Guest Merlin]

I suggest you develop a relation with a small number of escorts or an agency. Then you can set up a meeting and meet with him without ever discussing fees. Since you know the escort or agency and are not in any event discussing fees, there is virtually no risk. Some agencies instruct you that when the escorts shows up there should be no discussion of fees until the session is over and then payment is simply made.

[Guest shadow]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

LETS GET READY TO RRUUUUMMMMBBBBBBLLLLLLLEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[+ deej]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

> Whatever the reason, Sean

>and Casey seem to feel

>that they are immune from

>criticism, and it appears there's

>a reason they feel that

>way.

 

Oh, I wouldn't say that! I was with Casey last week and he was terrific! I can't see him partnered with someone less than reputable. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 

>If you can't take the heat,

>get out of the kitchen,

>sir.

 

If you can't stand being exposed as a fraud, stop turning up the heat. ;-)

[Guest shadow]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-01 AT 11:11AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-01 AT 11:10 AM (EST)

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-01 AT 11:09 AM (EST)

 

LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-01 AT 11:08 AM (EST)

 

>Since I am posting here, I

>will respond to another allegation

>I ignored earlier. I

>have NEVER received money from

>Sean or Casey, so whoever

>keeps bringing that up should

>also write "Honest in our

>judgements and truthful in our

>reporting" 500 times on

>the whiteboard or the class

>will get no recess. :-)

 

Sorry Hooboy,

 

I confess.

I guess I brought it up when I was describing my "young and dumb" theory in the current thread on Anthony Holloway.

 

When I brought it up, I was not saying that it really happened. I was using it as an example of something dumb that a really young escort could say without thinking.

 

Besides,let me play devil's advocate and ask, "what if Sean and Casey gave you money?". In that case, "so what?!". If anything, we all should give you money, escorts and clients, to help you keep this great website going. I mean, this site is revolutionary! 10 years ago, who could have thought that you could do this over the internet? How about 5? There's nothing else out there that even compares!

 

Sorry Hooboy, and thanks again for this free and EXTREMELY useful service that you have provided to all of us.

 

So Hooboy, can we go out for recess now?

[Guest EvilSwine]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Ooo..this board is getting so BUTCH!

[Guest DaveRave]

RE: "No-Shows"--Sean Armstrong

 

Believe it or not, your dependable guys stood me up. You could have read it in my very balanced review had it not been subjected to the Josef Stalin School of Editing.

 

In the USA we are taught to believe that fairness in reporting means that we print even the things that upset the authorities. If we in our persecuted community don't believe in telling the whole truth, then there is little hope for us to make progress in being accepted in society as a whole.

 

Having said all this, in my review I did praise HooBoy for his wonderful service to our community. His initial reaction to my review was basically "boys will be boys", but in the end he showed his prejudice by declaring that he had "investigated". Yeah, right. Hoo, that's what replies from escorts are for, and they do have the last word. Since I trusted HooBoy, I was all the more sorry to see that a guy I thought was great actually has feet of clay.

 

One more thing: it's one thing to disagree with someone, quite another to call them "full of shit". When you sling mud you can't avoid getting some on yourself.