Billy Herrington's latest review

[Guest YR]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Being one not to often reply to these threads, all I've got to say is that I should stand up in FRONT and save your shatterproof screen until they beat me down, too. I agree with you TOTALLY!!!!

[Guest Jake]

The only comment I have is that 8 inches doesn't look as big as it used to. :-(

[Guest WetDream]

Reminds me of that old joke: Do you know why women are so bad at math? Because all their life they've been told that (show small space between thunb and first finger) is 6". I hire a lot of escorts through ads in the B.A.R., almost all say they have 8". The range turns out to be incredible. Luckily, size isn't so important to me.

[Guest rggf]

RE: B.A.R.

 

I assume you are in SF and get a--excuse the expression--hard copy of B.A.R. I'm going up first week of April (I'm in L.A.). Any recommendations I could look for on the web version (since there are no pix). I've contacted a number of guys recommended in reviews here, but they all sound so GAY when I've talked to them. Not that I'm looking for TRADE, but at least I'd like to hook up with someone who seems fairly masculine. Any suggestions?

[Rick Munroe]

sounding gay

 

What does it mean to "sound gay?" The word "gay" means "homosexual"...it doesn't denote masculinity or femininity. I really get tired of hearing & reading things like that...like the teenagers I recently overheard in a store saying, "I hate that shirt, it's so gay." I examined the shirt...I didn't see any design or pattern illustrating a guy taking a dick up his ass!

 

I don't want to give you a hard time or sound excessively politically correct, and I know this site is all about fun and sex...but saying someone who doesn't sound masculine "sounds gay" is as wrong as saying an articulate person of color "sounds white."

 

I am a masculine guy and I never get it when I'm told I sound or look straight, because I'm not fucking women or talking about fucking women at those times. I also don't get guys who advertise themselves as "straight acting," unless it means they are going to let you watch them go shopping with or fuck their wives (sounds hot to me but that's not the point).

 

I'm not against using the words "fag" or "queer", etc., as they have become words we use to describe ourselves in an empowering way, but let's be careful about perpetuating the stereotype of gay men as effeminate.

 

I wonder what it means to sound "bi" ;-)

[Guest Jake]

RE: sounding gay

 

Woof! Love a guy who speaks his mind! Hope that doesn't sound "gay." :-)

 

Still think Billy looks much smaller than 8".

[Rick Munroe]

RE: sounding gay

 

Jake, that doesn't sound gay, it sounds canine!

[Guest REGINA]

RE: sounding gay

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-00 AT 06:09PM (CST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-00 AT 06:06 PM (CST)

 

WOW! Where did this topic come from?

 

Anyhoo...I think "sounding gay" should be "sounding fey" or effemininte. I always tell myself to "butch it up" when I go in for an audition or an interview. Not that I'm afraid of being perceived as a big girl-or queer as my mother says-but would rather not be thought of as weak, as some might think. However, when someone has a really deep masculine voice I always think "Jesus, does this guy need any MORE testoserone?"

 

I must admit I too use the phrase "looks gay" when choosing clothing (i.e. that shirt looks gay, like something Loni Anderson would wear). I guess I'm just as guilty of perpetuating this myth as anyone else.

 

I've seen escort ads all the time which say "straight acting" or "butch top". I guess it's just what the market will bear. When I want to be dominated, I WANT TO BE DOMINATED! I'm always suprised to learn of a porn actor from his photos then see a video and hear this voice which totally destroys the fantasy for me. I'm sure he's a nice guy--or at least I give him the benefit of the doubt--but when the voice doesn't match the package, I'm hard pressed to continue. Am I shallow? I don't like to think so, but I'm no different from anyone else, except for Mother Therese. Do people think the same thing about me? Most likely. Is there anything I can do about it? Change my thinking.

 

But let me ask you, or any escorts willing to answer, are you more turned on when your client is tall, young, buff and hard OR old, sagging and overweight. Both clients are nice, considerate, clean, and treat you with respect. It's everywhere, just more so in our little community.

 

Oh, by the way, I broke down and saw a video that has Billy Herrington in it (Link or Final Link...something with a chain link in the title). Anyway...WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL. Is he hot looking? Yes, but so were many MANY others in that video. And, not that I'm a total size queen, but his dick (which everyone seems to think can turn water into Asti) was somewhat out of proportion--and not in the good way--with the rest of his body.

 

Two things I hate: size queens and small dicks. (I didn't say that and I don't know who did but I like it!)

[Guest Jake]

RE: sounding gay

 

Hi Regina ... I think you answered your own query in your first sentence. Sounding effeminate goes over better than sounding gay with me. After all, gay is so all encompassing. Both Rock Hudson and Liberace were gay.

[Guest Shooter]

RE: sounding gay

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-00 AT 06:44PM (CST)[p]Damn, Rick, I wish I'd won that lottery!! :-) 'Straight ACTING' and 'masculine ACTING' are descriptives which have always perplexed me and by saying 'sounded gay', someone who should know better is perpetuating the stereotypes society has placed on gay men.

[Guest rggf]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-00 AT 07:23PM (CST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Mar-19-00 AT 07:21 PM (CST)

 

I didn't mean to turn this string into an episode of Bill Maher's late night comedy. I'm sorry!!! :'( :-( I read through a number of ads that describe talent as "straight acting," etc., so I guess I just get caught up in the same descriptive imagery. On the other hand, what I actually meant was, everyone I spoke to sounded a little ... I think it is worse to say effeminate or fey, what should I say? Affected? Let's put it this way, I would have been more comfortable asking them to go out for a friendly lunch rather than have a romantic dinner and retire to the bedroom, O.K.?

 

It is as Regina describes in her comment about the voice not fitting the package. That's what I experienced after looking at some very good reviews with nice pix, but the voice... It did in a few silent stars like John Gilbert when sound came in. And, no, I was not around when that happened, thank you.

 

In the meantime, does someone have any suggestions for my SF trip? :*

[Guest Skeptic]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

How 'bout:

 

"Sounded like he couldn't possibly be straight"

"Sounded really faggoty"

"Sounded like the girl next door"

"Sounded like a sister"

"Sounded pretty nelly to me"

etc.

 

Now Rick, before you get steamed up all over again, everyone knows what 'sounding gay' means, and it shouldn't offend any guy who's homosexual as opposed to gay.

 

Ironically, the religious right's moronic use of "the gay life-style" to mean "homosexuality" is not such a misnomer after all. Of course when someone like Jerry Falwell says it, he's trying to make the point that homosexuality is NOT a ubiquitous, naturally-occurring and morally neutral phenomenon, but, instead, a willful and particularly loathsome decision to wallow in sin. Yet, when I hear "gay life-style" I picture Castro clones (or whatever such guys are called nowadays) and feel hardly friendlier toward them than the good reverend does.

 

'Gay' is a really lousy synonym for homosexual anyway, it's one virtue being that it's short & unclinical-sounding. But think of the idiocy of the phrase 'Gays & Lesbians' where all of a sudden 'gay' doesn't mean homosexual in general, but just homosexual males; whereas 'gays in the military' means guys AND gals, and that, in a sector where homosexual women probably outnumber homosexual men (proportionately) by quite a bit.

 

No wonder militant homosexuals tried to revive 'queer,' thus co-opting a slur into a freshly defiant self-identication. Didn't work, though, did it? Even the New York Times is now (& probably forever) committed to 'gay'. Too bad.

 

As far as calling a voice or manner 'effeminate,' I suppose it doesn't necessarily imply that a male, so described, is homosexual. Why, look at

Gary Bauer, the yoda-like Biblethumper who was running for prez until recently: watching and listening to him, some politically incorrect soul of my generation would have said "Why, Mary, she's as gay as paint! even though the guy's married, with children, and had to defend himself (with a straight face) against a rumor that he was playing around with a female campaign staffer!

 

But wait! I tuned in on this site not to engage in semantics (or semiotics!) but to hear EVEN MORE trashing of the odious Billy Herrington!!!

 

Having had first-hand experience with this scuzz at the very beginning of his career (before LA, before Colt, before Chi-Chi), I thought I'd affirm that Billy's dick is, well, just another dick. The very essence of 'ordinary.' He, however, had persuaded himself otherwise even then, and more than once exclaimed, "Hey, did you ever see a dick this big on a bodybuilder before?" Being a perfect host (and having little reason--at that point--to dislike him), I allowed as how I hadn't. So I guess I ought to accept a little of the blame for reinforcing this delusion of his--which has now spread to his (few) admirers.

[Guest rggf]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Thanks for the suggestions. So many good ones...I just don't know which one to try!

[Guest REGINA]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Skeptic-YOU AGREED WITH BILLY HERRINGTON when he asked whether or not you had seen a dick as large as his on a body builder? SO! You're to blame for spreading this disease of Herringtonitis (where you pay to see someone who believes his own PR, undress and rub his ass). Just think, if you had said "Well, in all honesty, your dick is nice but I've seen bigger..." he may have quit the business and gone back to White Castle. Of course, he may have hit you while running away with his money; at least this way you didn't get hit. Why does Chi Chi LaRue hire that snake anyway; there are hundreds of perfectly gorgeous men with larger units just dying to be discovered (I'm ready for my close up Mr. LaRue...)

 

Sounding effeminate rather than gay? I don't know Jake, I think I would sound gay than effeminate. Just to reinforce that I sing "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" at the drop of a hat and always quote "All About Eve" whenever possible or Bette Davis in a pinch (You make me want to wipe my mouth, just WIPE MY MOUTH!).

 

People are looking at me as I write this because I am laughing out lound...LIKE A GIRL!

 

Oh well, c'est la vie.

 

(Heat gotcha down Blanche?) God, I'm even funny in New Jersey. :-)

[Bilbo]

RE: sounding gay

 

Not canine, Rick, ursine. It's a typical comment among gay bears.

[Bilbo]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

For me, the difference between a homosexual and someone who is gay (and, yes, I believe in the phrase "gay women" and so do some of them) is that homosexual, the more clinical sounding word, denotes anyone who is sexually attracted to the same sex. Anyone. A gay person however has come out of the closet at least to him/herself, decided that there are positive things about being gay and decided to claim at least some of them for him/herself. It takes a certain minimum of positive self image, pride and integrity. Not just anyone can do it.

[Guest Shooter]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

The problem with identifying ourselves to ANY of these terms is that all of the ones mentioned, with the exception of the latin one, were given to this segment of the population as derogatory labels, not 'self-actualizing' or 'empowering'. 'Gay' stereotyped homosexuals as limp-wristed, feminine acting males. 'Queer' meant we were odd, deviants, aberrations. 'Fag' just plain nasty...the homosexual equivilent to nigger. The list goes on as the 'majority' population has always found labels for the minorities. The black (and I'll probably get nailed for that one) population is FINALLY self-identifying as people of color or African American (not that I believe there is any such place as Africa-America. Our population is divided enough as it is!). Native Americans are FINALLY identifying as just that...not 'indians' or 'red skins', etc...

 

One of these centuries, we will throw out the labels placed on us and truly self-identify. (The problem with 'homosexual' is that it implies that sexuality is all there is to us.)

 

Now, the shatterproof screen is up...let 'em fly!

[Guest RO]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

LAST EDITED ON Mar-22-00 AT 09:16AM (CST)[p]Shooter:

 

Interesting topic. Shouldn't you also mention the problems associated with calling ourselves 'cocksuckers'?

 

Actually, I'm impressed. Hadn't heard some of this stuff before.

 

My straight, best friend insists we label the part of our relationship that fucks around (on his initiation) as "two straight guys celebrating each other's masculinity". Now THAT'S a problem!! On the other hand, he's amazing - physically, emotionally, sexually & every other way. Meanwhile, what am I supposed to say to him? The only response I've come up with so far is, "Let's celebrate, Baby!"

 

Seriously, you're point about problematic labels is well made, but you don't offer suggestions for anything more appropriate. Have you any? Are all labels wrong? Have we over-analyzed yet another topic? Am I in love with my best friend? Oh, Shit, where's my Prozac?

[Guest Jake]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Who would have thought a simple observation about Billy Herrington's tiny dick would provoke such insightful dialog!

[Bilbo]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

A little history: During medieval times there were old women who went out to comb the woods floors for the fallen sticks to make fires out of without having to fell trees. These pieces of wood were called faggots. In time, the little old ladies came to be called that, too. Or was it the other way around? Lest you naively assume that we are called faggots as a reference to the little old ladies, I don't think so, darlings. You see, during the Inquistion and at other times when witches and heretics were burned at the stake, gay men were occaisionally bound into the circle of wood surrounding the stake, in effect becoming one more log to burn in order to burn whoever had the center of attention. In short, we became faggots, like the wooden faggots.

[Bilbo]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Thus bringing the thread back around to its origional posting, in a way, discussing "logs".

[HooBoy]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Wouldn't those be flaming faggots?

 

> A

>little history: During medieval times

>there were old women who

>went out to comb the

>woods floors for the fallen

>sticks to make fires out

>of without having to fell

>trees. These pieces of wood

>were called faggots. In time,

>the little old ladies came

>to be called that, too.

>Or was it the other

>way around? Lest you naively

>assume that we are called

>faggots as a reference to

>the little old ladies, I

>don't think so, darlings. You

>see, during the Inquistion and

>at other times when witches

>and heretics were burned at

>the stake, gay men were

>occaisionally bound into the circle

>of wood surrounding the stake,

>in effect becoming one more

>log to burn in order

>to burn whoever had the

>center of attention. In short,

>we became faggots, like the

>wooden faggots.

 

 

HooBoy

[Guest Shooter]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

Now I know where 'woody' comes from! Thanks! :-)

[Guest Shooter]

RE: Sorry, but...

 

It would be great to say we are people...period. No labels, no stereotypes, no derogatories. Unfortunately, in this perfect world full of tolerance and unconditional love that will never happen...for anyone! :-(