Incall and Money Protocols

[zeroone]

This has probably been discussed before, but I couldn't search for it anywhere on the forum.

 

I have a question about going to an appointment with an escort as an incall at his place. I have hired about 4 escorts so far. But they were all outcalls at my hotel where I was staying.

 

And each time I usually lay the cash on the table in large bills where the escort usually walks in and he always sees it so he knows I'm paying the right amount. So I never have to mention money whatsoever.

 

So I never went to an incall before and I'm a little confused as to what to do with the money situation and to follow proper protocol so I don't freak out the escort or anything. Should I wait for him to ask for the money upfront when I walk in the door? Should I walk in and just put the money on the nearest table? What the heck do I do? This is why i like doing outcalls and not incalls so i dont have to deal with this uncomfortable situation. What is the proper protocol?

 

Any suggestions? Thanks.

[uwsman2]

On in-calls, I've never had a problem with just voluntarily giving the money to the escort after I've gotten dressed at the end of the session. Since I always include a little extra as a tip if it was a really good session, this is a way to do that as well. If you pay up front, it would probably just be the previously agreed amount, right?

 

And when I hand the money to the escort, I usually don't say anything at all or make a big thing out of it, just hand it over with a smile and a little "thank you" as I'm leaving. That's always worked for me.

[AdamSmith]

I bring an envelope containing the fee and put it down on a table or whatever. At the beginning if it's someone who's never seen me before; at the end for someone who knows me.

 

Some recommend never paying up front, but I prefer to establish my bona fides, show faith in the escort, and take that risk. So far I've never been ripped off. Of course using reviews and a little judgment goes a long way.

[zeroone]

>I bring an envelope containing the fee and put it down on a

>table or whatever. At the beginning if it's someone who's

>never seen me before; at the end for someone who knows me.

>

>Some recommend never paying up front, but I prefer to

>establish my bona fides, show faith in the escort, and take

>that risk. So far I've never been ripped off. Of course using

>reviews and a little judgment goes a long way.

 

 

Yeah i have an appointment with an escort i never seen before and he wants to do an incall, so yeah, i think ill do the envelope thing like you said. that sounds good.

[Epigonos]

One thing I just don't quite get is exactly why all the awkardness about money and escorts. Hiring an escort is a business transaction no more and certainly no less. I am extremely careful about the escorts I hire. If the guy I'm interested in isn't well reviewed on this site I move on. I don't differentiate between incalls and outcalls. I always put the guys fee, in large bills, in an envelope with his name on it. When I arrive at his place or he arrives at mine (hotel or home) I hand him the envelope and tell him that I won't be offended if he would like to count it -- that has never happened. With that out of the way we greet each other with a kiss, have either lunch or dinner, and then enjoy play time. Just do your homework on who you hire, give the guy his money, relax, and prepare to have a good time!!!!!

[Guest PWIT]

With someone new, I don't lay out the cash right away on in-calls. If asked for it, I would probably say my goodbyes and leave. Especially if there was discussion of sex at the same time as the money. Not that I don't trust the escort, but if I do not know them I always have this cautionary voice in my head that they could be vice.

 

Now, to tell on myself a bit. I too see it as just a normal business transaction and once made a comment to the tune of 'now to take care of the business' or something similar at the end of a session before paying. I believe it was taken as an insult, though I did not mean it that way. I did try and make that clear (verbal and later in an email). It was actually one of the best experiences I have had with an escort and would have never insulted him (an escort who is well reviewed and who has many fans on this MC). So now I will pay and keep my mouth shut to keep from inserting my foot by mistake.

 

For anyone I have been with before, I lay the money out first thing.

[Epigonos]

PWIT I find your vice comment really interesting and something I had never considered before. I really don't think that the possibility of a vice sting is very relevant because of the way I hire. I ALWAYS hire escorts with MULTIPLE (10+) reviews on this site and with these guys vice doesn't seem, to me at least, to be much of an issue. Even first time out with these guys I present them with the money envelope right up front.

[JT Brooklyn]

zeroone..I don't know what Area you are in?

But in NYC... We Play First-Pay Later!

 

IN-OUT makes NO difference! :P

[Guest carter07]

I've hired perhaps a dozen times in the last 18 months or so and on in-calls I just put the money and a tip, usually, in an envelope (from my hotel) and lay it on a table, mantle, shelf or whatever is convenient, as I leave. I do that usually without comment, except to say I had a great time and thanks for being kind to an old guy, all sincerely meant. I learned living in Japan in the 1960s that it is rude to physically exchange cash money (except in a shop). My pay, for instance, came in a special white envelope. So the envelope thing is comfortable for me and I've never had an escort ask up front. But, like others, I rely on the reviews and have always chosen often-reviewed escorts to contact and so I've never been disappointed.

[johnnybrk25]

I have to agree that in an envelope is best at the end of a session. Escorts have more to worry about from vice than most of our customers. We don't generally see pictures of you naked, read your blogs, reviews etc.. The client is a much more unknown quantity so handeling the money issue with an eye to legalities is very helpful in making us comfortable as well. Envelopes are also very easy to stick in your bag without worrying about losing any bills.

[zeroone]

>zeroone..I don't know what Area you are in?

>But in NYC... We Play First-Pay Later!

>

>IN-OUT makes NO difference! :P

 

I'm in Los Angeles, sometimes i hire a guy off craigslist, usually some bi or str8 dude who needs the $, which I know is always risky. some guys on craigslist are scammers, and i always take a risk doing it. i've done it a few times and have been happy with the few guys i hired so far. thats why i gotta be careful and try not get scammed, or even get arrested by vice, you can never be too careful out here.

[zeroone]

> I have to agree that in an envelope is best at the end of a

>session. Escorts have more to worry about from vice than most

>of our customers. We don't generally see pictures of you

>naked, read your blogs, reviews etc.. The client is a much

>more unknown quantity so handeling the money issue with an eye

>to legalities is very helpful in making us comfortable as

>well. Envelopes are also very easy to stick in your bag

>without worrying about losing any bills.

 

 

hmm, im torn here, i think your right, unless asked by the escort in the beginning of the session, should i leave the envelope in my coat or something? i think it might look better to show the esocort in the begining to put the envelope in view at the start of the session. BUT then that could Possibly lead to him not liviing up to my expectations, the guy could be a hustler, who knows. there are always pros and cons.

[uwsman2]

Sure, it's a business transaction, but it works best for me to at least make the pretense that it's not "just" a business transaction - that takes away from at least the illusion that there is some passion involved, and without passion it strikes me as an unsatisfyingly empty athletic enterprise. The escorts I find least satisfying are the ones who seem to think that from the moment of first contact it's all about getting the client to orgasm as fast and efficiently as possible. That's the death of exciting sex.

[jawjateck]

In or out call makes no difference to me. I always handle money the same for every meeting. Having hired about 50 guys, I do my homework and trust my instincts. I have never had a bad experience or been ripped off. I never pay upfront. I have never been asked to pay upfront. If an escort did that, the appointment would be over, and he's lost money and a damn good time too.

 

I don't use an envelope. At the end of the appointment, I simply hand him his fee, kiss him, and slap his butt goodbye. :9

[+ newatthis]

Somewhat surprisingly (to me), I've learned to be comfortable about the money, and I've been lucky enough to be with guys who, for the most part, also seem comfortable about it. Whether incall or out, I take out my wallet and pay at the end. There's one guy who made it clear (body language) that he preferred to have the money left on a chair or table rather than handed to him. We now joke about this, and I've even "hidden" it in a book from time to time (once on a return visit I checked the book and found he hadn't yet bothered to retrieve it).

 

With new guys, I tend to book "an hour with the possibility of extending if we both want to" sessions and I don't always keep track of the time; I'm more comfortable just being able to ask at the end "how much do I owe you?". One escort I think highly of stopped a session earlier than planned because we weren't really working well together. He refused to take his full payment, which might have been awkward had I paid in advance.

 

All this is descriptive, not prescriptive. I had to work hard to overcome my own reluctance to talk about money, but it was worth it.

[+ Charlie]

Most of the escorts I see are one time deals. Unless the escort asks to be paid at the beginning of the appointment, I wait until we are finished to give him the money, just as I would after a restaurant meal. I count it before I go to the appointment and put it in a separate pocket, but I don't put it in an envelope, for a couple of reasons: if I have to increase or decrease the amount for some reason, it's awkward to rip open the envelope to recount it; if I hand him an envelope, he has to rip it open to make sure the fee is in there before I leave, which is awkward for him. I make sure to use big bills which are easy for him to count quickly when I slip it to him with a simple comment like "This is yours" or just "Thanks."

[Guest Havan_IronOak]

Yes money will always be a bit awkward in these situations. It used to be the very mention of rates that was considered the illegal act for entrapment. Thankfully things are a bit more enlightened now.

 

I generally pay at the end as that allows me to include something extra. On the ocassion where the escort/masseur has asked up front I generally pay only the agreed amount and only tip if they are far and away better than what I was expecting.

 

As to hiding the money or putting it in an enevelope that seems like overkill to me.

 

As one who's thought about the "morality" of the whole transaction I justify the exchange of cash as my payment for:

1 Being a bit more self indulgent than I would be with a trick

2 Not getting my fat ass to the gym as often as I should

3 Not having the forsight to be born a few years later.

 

Yes there is something unfair about a society where the older and less fit have the cash and the younger and poorer have the beauty but in my mind, if one only sees escorts and masseurs who advertise it's NOT the same as picking up street hustlers who need the cash to feed and house themselves.

[Quincy]

I pay at the end with a tip, just like in a restaurant.

[tanman4u]

The mention of "vice" in this thread started me thinking (something that on a Monday holiday doesn't come easily). Wouldn't paying at the end almost guarantee against a "vice" problem? I don't picture the cops actually going all the way, so to speak, before busting someone whether they were posing as the client or the escort.

[Guest zipperzone]

>The mention of "vice" in this thread started me thinking

>(something that on a Monday holiday doesn't come easily).

>Wouldn't paying at the end almost guarantee against a "vice"

>problem? I don't picture the cops actually going all the way,

>so to speak, before busting someone whether they were posing

>as the client or the escort.

 

I would certainly think so, especially if the session was longer than an hour. I can just heaar the cop telling the judge his reasons for being fucked for 2 hours before he arrested you. Ha Ha HA

[Charlus]

Oh, the self sacrifice of our policemen/protectors. Anything for family values and upholding moral order.

[+ Tom Isern]

Yes, tanman, you've hit the nail on the head. The urban legend is of a vice cop who comes into the escort’s apartment and pays upfront and then arrests the escort for prostitution. Many escorts and masseurs I know prefer to be paid after the session for this reason—cops won’t get naked, generally. At El Mirage, a sex club on Houston here in NYC, one has to be a member to get in. Membership is contingent upon pulling your pants down and placing your dick in the hands of one of the staff—cops can’t do that and are thereby excluded from entrance and the club is protected from all of this ridiculous city’s anti-sex laws. The same rule protects an escort—get the client naked and THEN discuss fees. That way you can be pretty sure he’s not vice.

 

On the other hand, many escorts fear that a client will “use” them and then not pay. This HAS happened to me once (I wrote about it in another post) and to friends of mine. The guy who pulled this off with me actually had a very elaborate scheme which snagged me.

 

There are, unfortunately, a host of escorts who advertise around and who are not reviewed on this site (even some who are?) who take advantage of clients. I’ve heard countless stories of escorts paid for their “work” who left after a beer saying they just weren’t attracted to the client. And they kept the money. And the clients, angry as they were, let them get away with it! Sad, but true.

 

Best defense: Get to know each other and use your intuition about the guy you are hiring or being hired by. Know that there are people out there who WILL take advantage of you. Weed the garden before you step into it looking for the rose!

[Guest justinwakefield]

I think if you DO enter a room with the agreed-upon fee neatly put in a labelled envelope, it signals a certain level of forethought, prep and mutual respect. I, myself, have never had a problem with being paid at the end of a session, but definitely PREFER when a client (particularly a first-timer I have no established rapport with) signals his intentions ahead of time. It allows me to take down any remaining defense barriers right away, and to concentrate on giving my undivided attention from the get-go. As far as tipping is concerned, no escort would complain about someone adding a little visible extra on top of the envelope at the end of a session if they were particularly satisfied. Hope this helps!

[zeroone]

Well thank you so much for everyone's great feedback and opinions here. I appreciate it. I ended up going to my Incall last night, on my way in I put my bottled water, and jacket on the chair, and i just put the money on the table in plain view in large bills. I just kept it simple. No envelope, i think that;s a little overboard.

[Guest PeterJ]

I nearly always tip an escort. However, if he asks for the money up-front, I pay the agreed amount then, but without a tip. On second and further visits, escorts are more willing to be paid at the end of the session.