Recommendations for Newbie?

[Guest WestLA]

Hi all - I'm a newcomer to this scene and newcomer to LA. I'm in my mid-30's, recently out, and wanted to hire an escort to explore.

 

I noticed another earlier thread about the fear/concern of getting busted, so I have some questions.

 

1. First of all, is escorting illegal in California/LA county?

2. Can anyone recommend an LA escort? I'm looking for twink-type.

3. Should I worry about ads that don't show faces?

4. Should I meet the escort at a hotel or invite him home?

5. Is there a reputable agency?

 

I've looked at some LA reviews but when I'm ready to call/email, I keep thinking Hugh Grant got busted; so could I.

 

Also, are there any legal clubs in LA where I could watch a live sex show or participate in a limited fashion? Again, I'm concerned about going to some place that going to get raided.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

H

[Guest unlimited_horizons2002]

dude.

 

dont ask tooooo much, DO IT> try this bejamin nicholas. oh man if i was in califirnia.!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOAAAAAAA.

if you still have cold feet .look at the guys from http://www.mantomanescorts.com ENJOY> and let me know}>

[Will]

A couple of years ago I was in your place, and I got some great advice from contributors to this site. So I'll pass on what they told me. I can't help you with legal advice, but hundreds, maybe thousands, of men hire escorts in LA and environs every year. It's not exactly uncommon.

 

You needn't worry about inviting a reputable escort to your home; but if you'd feel more comfortable going to his place, make sure that he does in-calls. Most escorts do.

 

Finding the escort? First, click on "Escort Reviews" at the top of your screen. Then select California, Los Angeles, etc.

 

Second, go through the (long) list and click on any whose picture appeals to you.

 

Third, read the escort's stats to find the kind of man you're looking for.

 

Fourth, scroll down to the part of the review in which the reviewer tells something about himself. You'll find other clients who more or less fit your own description and from them you can tell how well a particular escort does with that type of client.

 

Fifth, go back and read the reviews themselves. Settle on three or four escorts who are your "type" and who have excellent reviews from clients who seem to speak your own language.

 

Sixth, I contact the escorts directly via e-mail. This site has made it unnecessary to place your trust in an agency to do your selection for you. You will find, I think, that well-reviewed escorts on this site answer e-mails promptly, politely, and professionally.

 

Seventh, before making an appointment, you'll want to speak with the escort over the phone, and he will want to speak with you. The actual sound of another person's voice tells volumes about him.

 

MOST IMPORTANT: Choose an experienced escort; that is, he should have several reviews dating back over a period of a year or more. Also, be sure to tell him that you've just come out and that you feel nervous about the whole thing. A good escort will be delighted to break you in and will treat you with respect and gentleness. He will bend over backwards (who knows? maybe even literally!) to make you comfortable and to help you have a great experience.

 

I envy you! Good luck, and be sure to let us know how it goes.

[Will]

I forgot to add one very important piece of advice (since you asked for advice, I'll give it!): Don't make an appointment for just an hour. If you're new to this whole thing, it may take some time before you feel really comfortable with the escort. He, too, will want to take his time with you to make sure that there's nothing rushed or forced about the experience. After all, this is not just a roll in the hay for you: this is your life, and you deserve to treat yourself to the luxury of a humane and deeply satisfying sexual experience.

 

I myself started by hiring an escort for the evening. He came to my place and we went out to dinner. Over dinner we had a chance to get to know each other as human beings. Then when we went back to my place, we took our time. All together, I think the evening lasted from about 7:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. If you aren't an evening person (which I'm not, but it was a work day), the best schedule for me is to have lunch at 1:00, followed by Love in the Afternoon. Then, if each of you is interested, you can go out for coffee afterwards.

[chrismac]

Newbie -

 

I echo Will's recommendation for a longer session for your first date with an escort, although in my personal opinion 2 hours is sufficient (you don't know for sure if you'll really get on with this guy, even if he gets glowing reviews - so I think a whole evening is a bit of a risk for the expense involved).

 

I might try to schedule something on a Friday or Saturday for a couple of hours (assuming you don't work on the weekends), then, if he's really great - ask him over for another two hours the next day. I did this a couple of times for the first escort experiences a couple of years ago - and it worked great. And I was grateful in a couple of other instances that I hadn't scheduled more time in advance with some of the escorts. They were good, but not great.

 

Best of luck - and let us know how it goes (write a review as a contribution).

[Guest Merlin]

You might want to go to Numbers, the hustlers bar, on Santa Monica in West Hollywood. Best about 9:00 Fri or Sat. The hustlers are the younger guys hanging around. If you see one you like, strike up a conversation and see how you like him.

[langster]

Newbie, we all have to take that first step and my biggest hurdle was calling my first escort. As nervous as I was, he knew I was going to be his first escort through our emails, the escort was really pleasant and caring on the phone. This made me feel at ease and even though I still get a little nervous talking to a new escort for the first time its easy to make the call now. The only thing though I must advise you is that my first escort was masculine, muscular, and HUNG. Its like you are in a candy store and can get anything you want! Don't let your eyes be bigger than your ass. Although we had a great time I couldn't take his huge cock and had to settle for oral which was still great. I also believe one hour is not enough time espically for the first time. You will not be his first newbie and he will help you get through your nervous state and you won't be concerned if your hour is almost over. If he agress to meet you for a drink, I always try to make that happen, you can get to talk a little, get to know each other, and a drink always helps me settle down. So go for it, you will not regret it!

[Uncle Bill]

I agree about Benjamin, but he's in San Antonio, Texas -- not California.

 

I also agree that with some others that you can get any number of very good independent escorts through this site. In addition to the other tips you are getting, personally, I would place more reliance on reviews submitted by the more prolific posters, including those by guys who participate on this board.

 

Finally, if you are really nervous about the whole thing, using ManToManEscorts is exceedingly easy and as worry free as it gets for your first time.

[Guest Jocoluver]

Why is everyone being coy? He asked if escorting is illegal in CA/LA. Of course, it is. Notice hooboy's disclaimer about paying for time only.

 

I don't mean to scare newbie off but he needs to know the truth. Following the recommendations stated above certainly minimizes the risk, but there is a risk, albeit probably quite small.

But beware, just like being aware of risk of STD's and taking due precautions.

 

It feels much scarier than it is because of the conditioning we have all had since early childhood that sex is sinful and, well, homosexuality is waaaay beyond sinful.}>

 

So go and have fun and enjoy yourself:P

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

An Escort Answer

 

We really do need a new section here: ASK YOUR FELLOW CLIENTS and it would probably not hurt to have a section where newcomers can see the most frequently asked questions and the most common answers (i.e., should one tip and how much, how to properly prepare for anal sex, etc.) or the consensus answers, by both clients and escorts.

 

But to this particular thread, I just wish to comment as follows. Escorting is illegal everywhere in the United States, with the exception of certain highly controlled and regulated areas in Nevada, unless that is no longer the case. Escorting happens everywhere in the United States and enforcement against this "crime" varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. West Hollywood happens to be one such jurisdiction where, unless some other crime has been committed in addition to pandering, sex, etc., the local peace officers generally do not place escorting as a high profile and thus highly prosecuted and persued activities.

 

This is not the case with the balance of Los Angeles County, so that is one thing you should be aware of. However using MantoMan would be a good way, but not totally safe way around it, as agencies (and independent escorts) have been used in other jurisdictions to entrap "johns."

 

I believe that you (the poster) would be well served to follow Will's advice and ask a lot of questions and proceed with an individual escorts, but Mantoman has a very good reputation, I have even recently referred two friends who do not want to work for themselves to Dave, and I think you should go to the escort's home in West Hollywood.

 

Good luck!

 

Love is no substitute for sex.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[Guest WestLA]

RE: An Escort Answer

 

Thanks for everyone's advice.

 

Why is MantoManEscorts safe for a firsttimer? Reputable or pre-screened?

 

BTW, I tried contacting 2 escorts with only 1 review apiece and I didn't get any replies after asking detailed questions. I feel like I'm researching a major science project!

 

I will definitely post a review if I ever get to bat!

[HooBoy]

Escorting Is NOT Illegal

 

Escorting is not illegal. In fact, major cruise lines employ escorts.

[Will]

RE: An Escort Answer

 

Read our advice again, SLOWLY AND CAREFULLY.

 

First, escorts with only one review are escorts without any track record whatsoever. You do not need to entrust your first experience to an escort who is, literally and for good or ill, reputation-free. I scrolled through the LA escorts with you in mind the other day, and there are so many with fine reputations that it makes my head swim.

 

Second, Male4Malescorts.com is the ONLY consistently reliable source of client-generated feeback from escorting experiences. It has become the gold standard of the gay escort profession. (I hate the word "industry" when applied to sex.)

 

Third, an escort worth hiring for a first-time experience will return you inquiries right away. If he lets more than, say, thirty-six hours pass before you hear from him, I'd say, Move on.

 

Keep looking! This isn't a science-fair project, it's fun! (Well, so are science-fair projects for those so inclined. I am what yo might call "otherly inclined.")

[Guest Jocoluver]

RE: Escorting Is NOT Illegal

 

C'mon, Hooboy, your one line post is at best disingenuous - especially with your "motto" about truth. Your one liner is hardly the "whole truth". I'm glad there is a more forthright posting before your dismissive onex(

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Escorting Is NOT Illegal

 

>C'mon, Hooboy, your one line post is at best disingenuous -

>especially with your "motto" about truth. Your one liner is

>hardly the "whole truth". I'm glad there is a more

>forthright posting before your dismissive onex(

 

I'm sure escorting is NOT illegal. It's when the escort does more than escort that the shit can hit the fan.

 

Thunderbuns

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Professional Male Companions

 

Escorting is perfectly legal everywhere in the Planet and you can even find escorts listed in the Yellow Pages under that category. I do wish to correct my sloppy and incorrect use of the word "escort" as interchangeable with the words "prostitute," "hustler" or male "whore" all of which are considered illegal activities in this country unlike Canada and certain Western European nations.

 

I hope this clarifies things and again, I regret any confusion occassioned by my inappropriate use of words.

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Escorting Is NOT Illegal

 

Joc, I'm with you. For years, 3 actually, I've wrestled with "Are we paid for our time or for sex?" I know, "sex stupid". But it was really a problem for me. And I think my whole distaste with off-the-clock time with clients sprang out of this confusion.

 

But why be so dumb? Because clients often said things like "I'd pay just to talk with you", and many clients have. I've gone to Hollywood Hills homes for 3 hours at a time, had a nice dinner they've prepared/grilled, fucked 'em, and gotten paid for the entire 3 hours because that's what I insisted on. If people wanted more I recommended they hire me for an overnight and if that wasn't possible, tough shit.

 

I had clients paying me for conversation and companionship, and those who never had the opportunity often told me that they'd really like to, even if I didn't bring it up.

 

(To this day there is only one client I see regularly for lunch and coffee off the clock. I haven't gone so far as to actually buy him, Skinny Dick (my pet name for him. He calls me "Asshole"), Lunch, but I think I've given him a $5er now and then for Valet tips.)

 

Ok now I am an extremely cynical person. However, I was fooled, and I have only myself to blame. This male 4 male review site popped up about and I jumped in whole-Black-Heartedly. Even before there was a Message center I'd send Hooboy thoughts to post on such hot topics we now consider banal, as "Tipping", "Off The Clock Time", and "Escorts or Hustlers". Guess where I stood on each? Tips are almost expected, off the clock time's kind of retarded (I often state that as an engineer I'd never take a lunch with a client without getting a check for the time from Payroll), and Escorts are in a total different class than Hustlers because we are paid for our time, not sex. Why did I have such Mealy-Mouthed and utterly uninteresting opinions? Well as I said above until then, and since, it fit into my experience. I was getting tipped, paid to eat meals and talk, and told often how superior our services were to hustlers. Made superficial sense to me.

 

So where did this site fit into my, irrational, thought process and how did it mislead me down the wrong path? Interspersed here and there within Male4male you'd find disclaimers that read "We assume that money paid escorts is for their time only, any activities...." anyway, you know the line. I also found a lot of escort websites with similar protective statements. I knew at the time, on some level, that this was jut some sort of legal barrier, but it also reaffirmed what I also believed. I have also seen Deej, and others, in the Message Center say Escorts are paid for their time.

 

Well all that was enough for me. The Internet says it's true, so it must be. I smelled no hypocrisy.

 

Last week Joseph Itiel's book was really getting to me. I had to stop reading and do some processing. He goes on and on about how fortunate he's been to find escorts who aren't as "snooty" as Aaron Lawrence, and by extension "Me". They request nothing more than cash for the time spent fucking. Conversations, dinner, drive time were all off the clock. I'd encountered this "I pay for sex only" attitude before, and had become used to dismissing it. But this time, I don't know why, maybe because I've been escorting less and thinking a lot more, always a bad thing, his opinions poked at some part of my brain where thoughts lay, unknown to me, completely undeveloped.

 

"Ok, so his escorts accept money for sex only. He's not willing to pay for company, and I can't really fault him for that, but aren't we paid for our time? Isn't that the standard line?" I thought about this website, and of course the reviews came to mind. BINGO. "DID HE DELIVERY WHAT HE PROMISED" is one checkbox within all reviews, or inquires, about escorts. A good escort delivers what he promises. The shitty ones don't. I always knew that what is promised is sexual favors, but I, I don't know, I still figured that..well I didn’t think about it. But I realized at that moment that there was a paradox here. If the escort is paid for time only, then whether or not he delivers on any sexual favors is, logically, irrelevant. You paid for his time, you got his time. It was dawning on me, thickheaded me, that being paid for time is a sham. But I wasn't completely convinced, after all I was working against 3 years of stubborn conviction.

 

Then I remember Deej, as I mentioned before he like others, as far as I remember, has said that he pays for time only. Goddamn I am dumb. I'm not sure if it was a review or something he mentioned within a thread, but I remembered instantly him saying that when an escort snuggled for him but for whatever reason was unable or willing to get his ass torn open, Deej said something along the lines of "cuddling is fine, but I'm not paying if I'm not gettin'" CLICK. I fucking got it.

 

I'm serious, it was that sudden. I realized that I'm wrong. I've been an entire ass, I was so eager to believe that we were paid for time and not sex, why I don't know because I've never felt that there is anything at all wrong with being paid for sex, and I argued with people, tirelessly on the subject, and I was entirely wrong.

 

Escorts don't escort, I knew that (and in the words of Seinfeld: "Not that there's anything wrong with that). But I didn't fucking GET IT. I do now.

 

I apologize to anyone I attacked on the subject within the last 3.5 years. I was wrong, Joseph Itiel was right. "Paid for Time" is a legal sham. DUH.

 

This doesn't mean I'm going to have a free lunch for free with any of you! :-) Just kidding.

 

Later

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Professional Male Companions

 

>I do wish to correct my sloppy and incorrect

>use of the word "escort" as interchangeable with the words

>"prostitute," "hustler" or male "whore" all of which are

>considered illegal activities in this country unlike Canada

>and certain Western European nations.

 

Do you know something I don't know? Prostitution is still illegal in Canada (worse luck) We're not THAT liberal yet!

 

Thunderbuns

[alanalt]

RE: Professional Male Companions

 

Depends how you define 'prostitution' TB. Strictly speaking, exchanging money for sex isn't illegal in Canada. What is illegal are the (very closely related) offenses of public solicitation, keeping a 'bawdy-house', living off the avails of prostitution (ie. pimping). It's a fine distinction, to be sure, but it is different from the US where exchanging money for sex is almost universally illegal.

 

Alan

[Guest JustStarting]

Newbie--

About 6 months ago, I was in the same place you are now. I found Brogan through this site and had a lovely time. (Wrote a review too about it.) I've since see him half a dozen more times and while some of the excitement has tamed, I still look forward to each hour with him. I've emailed others, but have not found any reason to book them.

Please give us a report of what happens.

[Boston Guy]

H -

 

Hi all - I'm a newcomer to this scene and newcomer to LA. I'm in my mid-30's, recently out, and wanted to hire an escort to explore.

I noticed another earlier thread about the fear/concern of getting busted, so I have some questions.

 

It's natural to be concerned and it's good to be cautious. Hiring escorts can be fun, so long as you follow some fairly simple, commonsense guidelines.

 

1. First of all, is escorting illegal in California/LA county?

 

Hiring someone as an escort is not illegal. Paying someone to have sex with you is illegal throughout the US (with the possible exception of some places in Nevada???).

 

2. Can anyone recommend an LA escort? I'm looking for twink-type.

 

Look on AOL. There are always a bunch of LA M4M chatrooms and one WestHollywoodM4M room. You'll find lots of young escorts and masseurs hanging out in them. Read their profiles and email the ones you might be interested in hiring. DON'T just ask for a pic -- they'll think you're a pic collector (which is not a good thing to be). Instead, ask for whatever other info you would like first and then, if you are truly interested in the person, ask for a pic.

 

3. Should I worry about ads that don't show faces?

 

In a word, yes. Especially if you're looking at Frontiers. Many of those ads have not changed in years and, unless the guys behind them are truly ageless, they can't continue to look that way. I'd recommend hiring someone from either an agency or through the Internet and, in either case, to get a picture that shows the person's face and body before you hire them. If an escort won't send you a pic, move on to someone who will.

 

 

4. Should I meet the escort at a hotel or invite him home?

 

Depends on who you hire. If you hire someone who (a) is from an agency; or (b) is reviewed here more than once; or © seems like they might be a local college student on AOL, you're probably safe having the escort come to your house. But why not look at a third alternative: the in-call. Lots of escorts will let you come there, which might be your best best.

 

5. Is there a reputable agency?

 

There are a number of them. Check the reviews. I don't want to recommend one, since I don't like using them.

 

I've looked at some LA reviews but when I'm ready to call/email, I keep thinking Hugh Grant got busted; so could I.

 

Yeah, it's a little scary at first. It gets easier.

 

Also, are there any legal clubs in LA where I could watch a live sex show or participate in a limited fashion? Again, I'm concerned about going to some place that going to get raided.

 

I don't think there's much of that in LA, especially strip clubs. My understanding is that they were outlawed quite a while ago.

 

Something you might consider as an alternative would be to ge a non-legit massage. Again, look on AOL in the LA or West Hollywood rooms. You'll find many young guys offering massages with 'release'. It will normally cost around $80 to $100. It's kind of halfway to hiring an escort and might help you get comfortable with the whole scene.

 

Good luck and have fun.

 

BG

[Huey]

WestLA you have no less than 3 threads on "suggestions for your first time." Why not select an escort and have some fun instead of posting the same topic over and over?

 

If you do not feel comfortable hiring an escort after reading all of the replies; then possibly your body is saying you're not ready yet. }>

 

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