Clients Are You Embarassed

[Guest Willy]

>Making a point about the way

>escorts price their services can be done without writing

>paragraphs about your personal fetishes. You can always

>tell the drag queens and the other limp-wristed types here.

>When cornered they always start talking about 'panties in a

>bunch' and men wearing dresses.

 

Hey, it's an escort board. Give me some latitude. And it wasn't paragraphs, it was sentences. Anyway, I think my comments, even if they might have bored some readers, did serve to illustrate my point that escorts are not commodities.

 

>It's kind of hard to avoid thinking that escorts are

>commodities when they start advertising themselves the same

>way detergent companies advertise their products, which is

>what Reg pointed out.

 

Detergents are not commodities. If they were, people would buy the generic brand. "Tide" is a monopoly. You can buy all manner of detergents, but only one of them will be "Tide." And if you think I'm full of it, go talk to Procter & Gamble or Colgate-Palmolive.

 

>You are the one who changed the subject by the way. This

>thread was started by an escort who wanted to lash out at

>clients because he resents the fact that escorts have to

>sell their personal features and qualities as a product

>while clients don't. Maybe coming up with some convoluted

>argument about the uniqueness of escorts makes you feel

>better about having to pay for it but sdmuscle's post

>reveals the resentment some of them really feel about having

>to commodify themselves.

 

I think you missed the point of the original post. It was a satirical comment about another post in which a customer complained of dishonest escorts. I think some escorts just get burned out. Who wouldn't? And others may well resent being treated as a commodity when they are in fact not a commodity.

 

On the other hand, others may have an inflated sense of their differentiation and its market value. Some customers, such as "Regulation," hate their own homosexuality, and hate themselves for hiring escorts. They view escorts as "dirty," and themselves as dirty for hiring them, and themselves as damaged goods because they "have to" hire escorts.

 

This is about as logical as hating yourself because you "have to" see a movie rather than being able to write, act and produce your own fantasy all by yourself. As for hiring escorts, hey, it's entertainment. A hug, a squirt and a bit of B-grade community theatre. Harmless, unless perhaps a beating comes with the fee.

 

>Last time I checked prostitution was still a crime in the

>States. Some of the escorts who post here have been busted

>and they can tell you about it.

 

True, but neither prostitutes nor customers are listed as "registered sex offenders" as Reg alleged.

[Guest delhi]

>When was the

>last time you saw an ad for hard winter wheat, saying,

>"Didn't like the other hard winter wheat? Try ours!" Or for

>copper saying, "Didn't like that copper you got from Chile?

>Try ours from from China!"

 

When was the last time you bought wheat or copper? Retail customers don't see those ads because those commodities are not sold at retail, get it? Companies that do produce those commodities place ads where their customers will see them. ADM is probably the largest agribusiness company in the States. Get hold of their annual report and you will see they spend plenty to advertise their products.

[Guest delhi]

RE: Poor DIM Regulation

 

>Hi their Reg Huny: Thot u had us phooled by using your Num

>de Ploom "delhi" didn't youse?

 

Yeah, just like bluenix, DCeBoy, Franco and all the other members who have pointed out what a jerk you are at one time or another I too am Regulation. Uh huh.

[Guest regulation]

>Given that you, too, patronize this web site, can I safely

>assume that the term self-hating homosexual describes

>you well?

 

>The "Regulations" of the world, those brittle defenders of

>orthodoxy who like to get plugged up the ass in secret while

>hating themselves for it and simultaneously feeding off

>their self-hatred to increase the exquiteness of their

>pleasure, would equate with "disloyalty" any notice of the

>characteristics that H.L. Mencken summed up in his term

>booboisie, thereby placing themselves in that

>selfsame category.

 

The only hate going on in this discussion is yours, Willy. I am perfectly willing to accept your assertions that calling hookers "artists" and pretending that there is something special about each one makes it easier for you to deal with the fact that you have to pay someone to be intimate with you. Unlike you I do not insist that this attitude, unrealistic as it seems to me, will cause you problems or shows that you are "hostile" or "resentful" or "brutal" or "grim" or any of the other petty, childish insults you directed at me. If thinking about hookers that way makes you feel good about it, that's fine. But that obviously isn't enough for you.

 

You obviously are not willing to adopt the same live-and-let-live position toward people who don't share your point of view, like me. You have a powerful need to denigrate and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you on this issue, you've been doing it since your very first post in this discussion. I don't know why that is. Maybe it's because your ego is so fragile that any challenge to it must be fended off at all costs. That's true of a lot of people who hire hookers, it's why they don't have real relationships. Or maybe you're just a hateful moron, like Thunderbuns. It doesn't really matter, because you don't really matter.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Or maybe you're just a hateful moron, like

>Thunderbuns. It doesn't really matter, because you don't

>really matter.

 

Now let me see....... why would someone take the time to continuously answer posts originated by people who don't matter. Must be very bored, me thinks. Or lonely.........? Or just plain daft.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest delhi]

>Hey, it's an escort board. Give me some latitude. And it

>wasn't paragraphs, it was sentences. Anyway, I think my

>comments, even if they might have bored some readers, did

>serve to illustrate my point that escorts are not

>commodities.

 

Far as I'm concerned you can take up all the space you want writing unsolicited descriptions of your sex life. Why not? Just don't pretend that you had to do it to hold up your end of a discussion about economics. You're not ashamed of being an exhibitionist are you? If you were that would make you a self-hating homosexual wouldn't it?

 

>Detergents are not commodities. If they were, people would

>buy the generic brand. "Tide" is a monopoly. You can buy all

>manner of detergents, but only one of them will be "Tide."

>And if you think I'm full of it, go talk to Procter & Gamble

>or Colgate-Palmolive.

 

Okay, I think you're full of it. There are more than two dozen brands of laundry detergent on sale at my supermarket. Tide's market share is much less than fifty percent, which shows that most consumers feel other brands are just as good.

 

>I think you missed the point of the original post. It

>was a satirical comment about another post in which a

>customer complained of dishonest escorts.

 

I think you are simply blowing smoke. I have seen plenty of posts from the same escort that reek of resentment toward clients. Satirical my third world ass.

 

>On the other hand, others may have an inflated sense of

>their differentiation and its market value. Some customers,

>such as "Regulation," hate their own homosexuality, and hate

>themselves for hiring escorts. They view escorts as "dirty,"

>and themselves as dirty for hiring them, and themselves as

>damaged goods because they "have to" hire escorts.

 

Bullshit. Phage is right. Admitting that gay whoremongers (good word, that) are a tiny, despised minority shows you are in touch with reality, not that you hate yourself. It's the people who can't stand to admit the truth about it that have a problem with self-image. Making up all kinds of fantasies about what escorts are and what they do to make yourself feel better about hiring them is a telltale sign you think what you are doing is wrong. People who don't feel guilty about it don't need to do that.

 

>True, but neither prostitutes nor customers are listed as

>"registered sex offenders" as Reg alleged.

 

Yeah? So you read the laws of all fifty states about that?

[Rod Hagen]

Reg, you disappoint me. Your redneck Love-it-or-Leave-it mantra is asinine. It's entirely reasonable for citizens and non-citizens alike to complain about their current home. It is of course foolish to complain without trying to do something about it, something other than leaving. Not learning the language after more than a year in residence is unforgivable.

 

That said I do feel that men like Vidal are sad cliché’s: the smug intellectual who eventually became fed up entirely with his own homeland, yet while living abroad does little but criticize its behavior. It reminds me of the main character in Irving's "A Prayer For Owen Meaney" who, betrayed by America, flees to Canada, yet fills his time researching current American events simply so that he can then point out to his Canadian co-workers and friends how arrogantly the US is throwing its weight around. He begged the question "Did you really come to Toronto just to complain about America? It seems a wasted trip."

 

Expats in general mystify me. Prague holds a bevy of "misunderstood" American slackers schlepping Latte's at local cafes. They transform any conversation into a dismantling of our Unipolar post-cold-war world. They're like undeveloped Chomskies and I do believe they feel they're turning Prague into something like Hemmingway's Paris. They aren't.

[Guest regulation]

>Reg, you disappoint me. Your redneck Love-it-or-Leave-it

>mantra is asinine. It's entirely reasonable for citizens

>and non-citizens alike to complain about their current home.

 

Brush up on your reading skills, Rod, then review the posts in question. People who complain about government policy are one thing. Those who trash the American people themselves are quite a different kettle of fish. You can't hate the American people and love America. Once you eliminate the people, what remains of America? Mount Rushmore? If you don't like Americans, go someplace where you won't find them. Kyrgyzstan seems like a good choice

[Rod Hagen]

>Brush up on your reading skills, Rod, then review the posts

>in question. People who complain about government policy

>are one thing.

 

I don't need to brush up on any skills. I said nothing about trashing government policy until I moved on to the silly Expats.

 

>Those who trash the American people

>themselves are quite a different kettle of fish. You can't

>hate the American people and love America. Once you >eliminate the people, what remains of America?

 

False. Completely false. You can love the land, you can love the government, you can love the Architecture, the food, and limitless other things, yet hate the citizens themselves. Using myself and California-instead of a country-for a brief and, I hope, clarifying example: I think Californians are generally lazy and dim; it's not an uncommon opinion. Let's go further and pretend I actually dislike or even hate them, it certainly would explain all my bitching. There are still innumerable reasonable reasons for me to wish to remain in California and even maybe love California, none of which have anything to do with its citizens. Along those lines one could hate Americans and still be very happy here, even love it.

[Guest Spunk]

Rod your clients must not read this forum. If they do then they're more brain dead than you describe them to be.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

If anyone thinks that Regulation and delhi are not one and the same person, they have their head buried so far in the sand, they must be half way to China by now.

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

Oh you're such a Cluster Fuck Spunk, I certainly hope you never reproduced. I said let's PRETEND I dislike or hate all Californians. It was a hypothetical. Do you know what a hypothetical is? If so, then let's just hypothetically imagine that the fatal home accident you're bound to have-tripping on a bar of soap or what have you-has already occurred, and we won't have to read anymore of your amateurish attempts to kill an escort's business. Oh, if only.

 

>Rod your clients must not read this forum. If they do then

>they're more brain dead than you describe them to be.

[Guest seraph250]

>False. Completely false. You can love the land, you can

>love the government, you can love the Architecture, the

>food, and limitless other things, yet hate the citizens

>themselves.

 

 

I don't think so. What life is like in a country is determined by the people who live there. There's a region in northern Chile where the climate and topography are identical to southern Switzerland. Living there is totally different because the customs and behavior of the people are totally different.

[Guest seraph250]

>If anyone thinks that Regulation and delhi are not one and

>the same person, they have their head buried so far in the

>sand, they must be half way to China by now.

 

Who gives a shit, I think they both make a lot of sense.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>If anyone thinks that Regulation and delhi are not one and

>>the same person, they have their head buried so far in the

>>sand, they must be half way to China by now.

>

>Who gives a shit, I think they both make a lot of sense.

 

You would.

 

Thunderbuns

[Rod Hagen]

>I don't think so. What life is like in a country is

>determined by the people who live there. There's a region

>in northern Chile where the climate and topography are

>identical to southern Switzerland. Living there is totally

>different because the customs and behavior of the people are

>totally different.

 

Seraph, I understand of course that you might think that the citizens are what really make a country, and I'm sure many people agree with you. But that's a personal. opinion and I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that other people may have other opinions about what makes a country what it is.

[Guest Willy]

>Why do people so often assume that someone is a ‘self-hating

>homosexual’ whenever they say something less than flattering

>about themselves or their peers?

>

>It does not follow that someone is ‘self-hating’ just

>because they are able to acknowledge that this web site, and

>especially those of us who haunt the message center, are a

>decided minority and a little bit weird too?

 

It's all a matter of context and judgment. I think "Regulation" is a brittle, obnoxious and self-hating homosexual. But then, as Dennis Miller would put it, that's just my opinion and I might be wrong.

 

>Just because

>we are able to find like minded individuals on a site that

>draws men from around the world does not change the fact

>that we are very different from most of our neighbors

>and a significant portion of the gay community. Doesn’t

>that, by definition, make us ‘weird’?

 

No. It makes us {i]uncommon[/i]

[Guest seraph250]

>Seraph, I understand of course that you might think that the

>citizens are what really make a country, and I'm sure many

>people agree with you. But that's a personal. opinion and I

>don't think it's unreasonable to assume that other people

>may have other opinions about what makes a country what it

>is.

 

An even better example is Hispaniola, which is a place where two different countries with completely different cultures and ways of life exist right next to each other in the same small geographic area. They share the same climate and topography. The only thing that makes one of them any different from the other is the culture and history of the people who live there.

[Traveller]

>An even better example is Hispaniola, which is a place where

>two different countries with completely different cultures

>and ways of life exist right next to each other in the same

>small geographic area. They share the same climate and

>topography. The only thing that makes one of them any

>different from the other is the culture and history of the

>people who live there.

 

 

What say you of those damn Flemish and Walloons?

 

Later.

 

PS. It's actually in southern Chile around Orsono (the Lake District) where the people remind one of Heidi and her grandfather, yodelling all of the time. Northern Chile has the Atacama Desert and really, really high arid volcanos.

[Guest seraph250]

>What say you of those damn Flemish and Walloons?

>

 

Don't they live in the same country? If they do, they wouldn't be relevant to this discussion.

 

 

>PS. It's actually in southern Chile around Orsono (the Lake

>District) where the people remind one of Heidi and her

>grandfather, yodelling all of the time. Northern Chile has

>the Atacama Desert and really, really high arid volcanos.

 

You're right, I wrote northern when I should have written southern. Thanks for the correction. Didn't this board used to have an edit function to correct such mistakes or am I thinking of another one?

[Guest Willy]

>If anyone thinks that Regulation and delhi are not one and

>the same person, they have their head buried so far in the

>sand, they must be half way to China by now.

 

Interesting that "Reg" feels a need to invent supporters. A fantasy gone wrong? If he's going to invent supporters, the least he could do is make some sweaty jockstraps.

 

But that would be wrong.

[Guest Willy]

>Far as I'm concerned you can take up all the space you want

>writing unsolicited descriptions of your sex life.

 

Thanks, Dad. Now would you take out your dick so I can slurp on it for a while? On second thought, not you. But certain Dads can have their dicks slurped by me. In fact, I'm not sure you're a Dad. I think you're more like the crazy great aunt in the atttic.

 

>Just don't pretend that you had to do it to hold up your

>end of a discussion about economics.

 

No pretending involved. My comments did support my opinion that escort services aren't a commodity, but I also had a whole lot fun writing them.

 

>You're not ashamed of being an exhibitionist are you?

 

On this board? Are you kidding? Hate to inform you, but my favorite escorts are big and strong and tall and proud. They talk tough, pump my mouth with their stiff peckers and wind up by squirting a bunch of cum down my throat. And if they can do a credible impression of a square jawed young marine in his charlies while doing those things, I'll sure as hell be back for more.

 

Oh I'm such a horrible sinner! Oh I hate myself ... NOT!! :D

 

>There are more than two

>dozen brands of laundry detergent on sale at my supermarket.

>Tide's market share is much less than fifty percent, which

>shows that most consumers feel other brands are just as

>good.

 

A professional economist could address this better than I could, but it does seem to me that if detergent were purely a commodity there wouldn't be much need for brands or advertising of any kind. Wouldn't everyone always buy the generic?

 

Maybe the best example is water. The commodity comes out of the tap. But Californians and other wackos buy the bottled stuff because they're hooked on the brand. Of course, I once knew a guy who liked to give blowjobs to the Sparklett's driver, but that's a subject for a bulletin board where people talk about sex. Hmm ...

 

>>I think you missed the point of the original post. It

>>was a satirical comment about another post in which a

>>customer complained of dishonest escorts.

 

Mea culpa. I meant to say "sarcastic." So sue me.

 

>Bullshit. Phage is right. Admitting that gay whoremongers

>(good word, that) are a tiny, despised minority shows you

>are in touch with reality, not that you hate yourself.

 

For someone to forcefully make that point to a board full of whoremongers and their customers, especially when the guy making the point is a customer himself, points toward an innner conflict, to put it mildly.

 

By the way, I like the word "whore." Not so much "whoremonger," because it sounds like one of those Old Testamentisms that you might expect from one of those geriatric old Republicans like ex-Rep. Dannemeyer, who would give those exquisitely detailed speeches on the floor of Congress about fist fucking and shit eating and other outre practices and say that all homosexuals do them all the time.

 

One of my favorite terms is "renting out your meat." It's got a jaunty sort of connotation, bringing to mind a sailor on leave. I hate the term "sex worker," which drains all the sweat from what a whore does. A "sex worker" provides a commodity, and I'm not interested in commodity sex.

 

>Making up all kinds of

>fantasies about what escorts are and what they do to make

>yourself feel better about hiring them is a telltale sign

>you think what you are doing is wrong. People who don't

>feel guilty about it don't need to do that.

 

My fantasies have nothing to do with making me feel better about hiring them. They have everything to do with getting my dick harder so as to extract maximum value for my whore dollars. Not only do I not feel bad in the least about my fantasies, I find them, well, kind of interesting. I know you don't, but I don't care.

 

>Yeah? So you read the laws of all fifty states about that?

 

Nope. Have you?

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>I think you're more like the crazy great

>aunt in the atttic.

 

Didn't we see him in the movie "Hush Hush Sweet Regulation"?

 

>By the way, I like the word "whore."

 

So do I - it has a certain ring to it - a certain panache

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest delhi]

>I think you're more like the crazy great

>aunt in the atttic.

 

I don't think I give a shit what you and the other members of the nelly brigade think. Just remember, it isn't ourselves that the rest of us hate, it's you. :-)

 

>No pretending involved. My comments did support my opinion

>that escort services aren't a commodity, but I also had a

>whole lot fun writing them.

 

Good on you. I guess for someone in your position talking to yourself about sex can be an important outlet. Maybe the only outlet. :-)

 

>Hate to inform you, but my

>favorite escorts are big and strong and tall and proud. They

>talk tough, pump my mouth with their stiff peckers and wind

>up by squirting a bunch of cum down my throat.

 

I guess there's no need for you to worry about whether they're infected, then. Too late for that, eh? :-)

 

 

>And if they

>can do a credible impression of a square jawed young marine

>in his charlies while doing those things, I'll sure as hell

>be back for more.

 

Like I said, talking to yourself about your sex habits seems to be important to you.

 

>A professional economist could address this better than I

>could, but it does seem to me that if detergent were purely

>a commodity there wouldn't be much need for brands or

>advertising of any kind. Wouldn't everyone always buy the

>generic?

 

Ummmm . . . except that there's no such thing as 'the generic,' that's a wonderfully clever argument.

 

>For someone to forcefully make that point to a board full of

>whoremongers and their customers, especially when the guy

>making the point is a customer himself, points toward an

>innner conflict, to put it mildly.

 

The people who are conflicted are the ones who have to sugarcoat the whore business to make themselves feel better about hiring. The rest of us don't need to.

 

>My fantasies have nothing to do with making me feel better

>about hiring them. They have everything to do with getting

>my dick harder so as to extract maximum value for my whore

>dollars.

 

Hmmmmm . . . I don't know. People like you who get angry and nasty when anyone says something uncomplimentary about hookers obviously have a lot invested in maintaining a rose-coloured image of the whole thing.

 

>Not only do I not feel bad in the least about my

>fantasies, I find them, well, kind of interesting. I know

>you don't, but I don't care.

 

Let's just say they are not quite on the same level as Burton's Arabian Nights or the Kamasutra and leave it at that.

 

>>Yeah? So you read the laws of all fifty states about that?

>

>Nope. Have you?

 

So that means when you said convicted whores don't need to register as sex offenders you didn't know what the hell you were talking about. That comes as quite a shock. Well, perhaps not. :-)

[Guest Thunderbuns]

and the music goes 'round & 'round oh ho ho ho

 

Thunderbuns