Egypt

[+ burtjohn]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I wanted to ask about travel to Egypt.  I am going there in a couple months, so I am interested in knowing more about gay life there.  Is it safe to engage someone on Rentmen?  I know the politics and history so I was surprised to find a number of people advertising on RM, but they could all be government agents for all I know.  Does anyone have any insight or experience?  Thanks.

[Fcfs]

No, it is not safe, don't do it. There is no safe gay life in the Middle East. Do not contact any rentmen  profiles. Best case scenario they are not real. Worst case you end up in prison. 

[David1024]

An escort I know well went to Egypt a couple of years ago. He loved the history, architecture and sightseeing, but hated the repressive laws in which gay sex is punishable by imprisonment, and he did not dare to enter into any activity that would have put him in danger. If you go there, keep your dick in your pants at all times. 

[Fcfs]

2 hours ago, sjmuktop said:

You'll be okay in these countries (in the Middle East and North Africa) as long as you don't advertise your sexuality. If you're someone who wears your sexual orientation on your sleeve, then you're likely to get yourself into trouble - both with homophobic locals who may verbally and even physically abuse you, and with the authorities. As @David1024has correctly mentioned, same-sex sexual acts are a criminal offence in Egypt and you need to exercise caution.

That said, I am a frequent visitor to Morocco (or at least I was, before this whole Covid thing exploded). Homosexual acts are also totally illegal there and punishable with imprisonment. Despite this, I have sex with local guys there every time I visit. It is actually extremely easy to find sex there. I've successfully 'cruised' and picked up guys in the main square of Marrakech - the Djeema el Fna - and have had sex with a few of the local guys whom I have befriended whilst out there. Lots of local guys willing to have sex with male tourists out there, most of them are straight as it happens but they are very open sexually (indeed, gay sex is very widely practiced there among the guys as a way of getting around the whole no sex before marriage thing). All the guys out there without exception, expected some money in return for giving me what I wanted. So the fun will always come with a price. 

So basically what I'm saying is, it's possible for gay guys to have fun in these Islamic countries where gay sex is illegal, as long as you exercise extreme caution and if you're willing to pay for it (which I assume you have no issue with, since you're probably used to paying escorts in your own country anyway!).

EDIT: I have lots of photos/selfies taken with many of the young men I've managed to 'cruise' out in Marrakech. Not only have I had sex with them, but for some extra cash they have all been very willing to act as my unofficial guides/companions. Some even invited me back to their homes to have dinner with their families.

I know it sounds far-fetched and maybe like I'm making it up, but honestly, it's usually a case of me walking through the Djeema el Fna or along the Rue de Babdukkala and spotting a young guy who I happen to think is extremely attractive, and just approaching him and talking to him. 9 times out of 10, they are willing to "go off with you" so to speak and spend time with you in exchange for money. You can bring up sex and they will almost never be offended (though usually they are tops or will only do oral as the recipient partner....though I have managed to encounter guys who will let me fuck them. The last guy I fucked out there was a young lad who said his name was Hamid, 19-years old, with a very smooth ass which surprised me. I have two photos of Hamid and I together in the street that I took after we had sex in a discreet wooded area and before we parted ways). It's honestly so easy over there but at the same time, it does require a kind of "skill" that only the very experienced gay man can pull off, which is hard to explain if that's not you! 

I should say, the young men over there are the most beautiful guys I have ever seen in my life. They are strikingly handsome beyond belief, and they tend to be hung and very thick!

P.S. There is a garden opposite the Koutoubia Mosque in Marrakech that is known for cruising and which I recommend. I've had several good, hot encounters in there. But again, you must be on your guard at all times - never forget that you're in a country where homosexuality is against the law and can land you in prison!

Just one question? What for? Is it worth the risk? Can't you have all the sex you want in the US, Europe etc? 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I encourage anyone to visit a place as culturally vibrant and historically significant as Egypt.  Just be smart and always remember that less is more.  It's really that simple.  You're in a country that is not the United States, so your birthrights mean nothing.  Be respectful.  It's an incredible place to see.

While you're not going to be swimming laps in a sea of swinging dicks, gay life exists.

@sjmuktop gave some great intel for Morocco.  👍

Homosexuality is NOT against the law in Egypt, but they are a conservative people by nature.  I've been to Cairo several times and have always felt welcome.  I feel the same way about my time in Abu Dhabi and Dubai.

To travel the world is to educate yourself in a way that no book, conversation or internet article can match.  

 

[Fcfs]

Actually it is against the law. I spent many years in the ME. I am still half based in Dubai. Dubai is the only place I feel semi comfortable to have a Western or Russian escort in my flat. My advice is keep your dicks in your trousers and your asses covered until you are back home. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

3 minutes ago, Fcfs said:

Actually it is against the law. I spent many years in the ME. I am still half based in Dubai. Dubai is the only place I feel semi comfortable to have a Western or Russian escort in my flat. My advice is keep your dicks in your trousers and your asses covered until you are back home. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Egypt

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/18/620110576/after-crackdown-egypts-lgbt-community-contemplates-dark-future

As per explicit, written law, it's not criminalized.  

However, the devil is in the details:  'Habitual debauchery' is prosecuted and that tends to have a wide interpretation. 

All said, if a traveler can control their urge to fuck everything with legs, visiting these countries can be a wonderful experience.

 

[Fcfs]

Exactly. They do not punish homosexuality, they punish indecent behaviour or whatever. Remember the gay cruise guys imprisoned? Are they still in jail?

[Walker1]

On 9/5/2021 at 4:56 PM, sjmuktop said:

Simply being gay isn't a criminal offence in any of the world's countries; rather, it's acting out on your homosexual orientation (having sex with other men) that is the punishable offence.

Well true. But it depends. I believe in kenya they do anal inspections to see if you are gay. I wonder what do they do, shove a finger in and see if you get excited? I do not know what they do in Egypt.

[marylander1940]

On 9/5/2021 at 6:39 AM, burtjohn said:

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I wanted to ask about travel to Egypt.  I am going there in a couple months, so I am interested in knowing more about gay life there.  Is it safe to engage someone on Rentmen?  I know the politics and history so I was surprised to find a number of people advertising on RM, but they could all be government agents for all I know.  Does anyone have any insight or experience?  Thanks.

Unless you take someone friend of professional with you... I would suggest you keep it in your pants and have fun somewhere else. 

Would you consider moving this thread to the Lounge to get more replies? As you say it might also belong there. 

[BSR]

On 9/5/2021 at 7:03 AM, sjmuktop said:

You'll be okay in these countries (in the Middle East and North Africa) as long as you don't advertise your sexuality. If you're someone who wears your sexual orientation on your sleeve, then you're likely to get yourself into trouble - both with homophobic locals who may verbally and even physically abuse you, and with the authorities. As @David1024has correctly mentioned, same-sex sexual acts are a criminal offence in Egypt and you need to exercise caution.

That said, I am a frequent visitor to Morocco (or at least I was, before this whole Covid thing exploded). Homosexual acts are also totally illegal there and punishable with imprisonment. Despite this, I have sex with local guys there every time I visit. It is actually extremely easy to find sex there. I've successfully 'cruised' and picked up guys in the main square of Marrakech - the Djeema el Fna - and have had sex with a few of the local guys whom I have befriended whilst out there. Lots of local guys willing to have sex with male tourists out there, most of them are straight as it happens but they are very open sexually (indeed, gay sex is very widely practiced there among the guys as a way of getting around the whole no sex before marriage thing). All the guys out there without exception, expected some money in return for giving me what I wanted. So the fun will always come with a price. 

So basically what I'm saying is, it's possible for gay guys to have fun in these Islamic countries where gay sex is illegal, as long as you exercise extreme caution and if you're willing to pay for it (which I assume you have no issue with, since you're probably used to paying escorts in your own country anyway!).

EDIT: I have lots of photos/selfies taken with many of the young men I've managed to 'cruise' out in Marrakech. Not only have I had sex with them, but for some extra cash they have all been very willing to act as my unofficial guides/companions. Some even invited me back to their homes to have dinner with their families.

I know it sounds far-fetched and maybe like I'm making it up, but honestly, it's usually a case of me walking through the Djeema el Fna or along the Rue de Babdukkala and spotting a young guy who I happen to think is extremely attractive, and just approaching him and talking to him. 9 times out of 10, they are willing to "go off with you" so to speak and spend time with you in exchange for money. You can bring up sex and they will almost never be offended (though usually they are tops or will only do oral as the recipient partner....though I have managed to encounter guys who will let me fuck them. The last guy I fucked out there was a young lad who said his name was Hamid, 19-years old, with a very smooth ass which surprised me. I have two photos of Hamid and I together in the street that I took after we had sex in a discreet wooded area and before we parted ways). It's honestly so easy over there but at the same time, it does require a kind of "skill" that only the very experienced gay man can pull off, which is hard to explain if that's not you! 

I should say, the young men over there are the most beautiful guys I have ever seen in my life. They are strikingly handsome beyond belief, and they tend to be hung and very thick!

P.S. There is a garden opposite the Koutoubia Mosque in Marrakech that is known for cruising and which I recommend. I've had several good, hot encounters in there. But again, you must be on your guard at all times - never forget that you're in a country where homosexuality is against the law and can land you in prison!

Wow, what an informative post!  I never would have guessed gay(4pay) sex was so available in Morocco.  How do you communicate with your Moroccan lads?  Do you speak enough French or Arabic to get by? (I doubt many foreigners learn Berber.) Or do the Moroccan guys know enough English?  It just seems like the language barrier would be an issue.

[NYC_Lover]

     I've been recently and it's best just not to meet boys there. The risk is too high and I would rather not know the outcome of getting caught. I spent 14 days there just enjoying the history and I did use Grinder there two times there but no face photos when chatting and you ask for Instagram to confirm that the person is real there and not a local law official trying to apprehend gays. Also, meet the person in a public place and try to meet other boys traveling there from the west a well. That's the safe way to meet people there from what my friend from Cairo recommended to me.

 

Ether or stay safe and stay alert when traveling there. Treat it like it's the 1920's there when it comes to gay discrimination.