Another gay teen killed yesterday

[2hard2tame]

>>....that makes normal gay men like us look bad.

>

>

>You call yourself normal? Is this the joke you've threatened

>to post? It is quite funny.

 

 

 

awee, and Zipper's bottom boy comes to his rescue.

[MiamiLooker]

>>>....that makes normal gay men like us look bad.

>>

>>

>>You call yourself normal? Is this the joke you've

>threatened

>>to post? It is quite funny.

>

>

>

>awee, and Zipper's bottom boy comes to his rescue.

 

That's quite funny, too. Aren't you the one that was getting paid to get poked? And then you posed the question on the message center whether or not other clients might be interested in poking your hole. Oh, I forgot. You were getting paid for your conversational abilities. LOL

 

 

ML

[Guest zipperzone]

>You printed copies of my posts. You are what we call a care

>bear.

 

Call it whatever you (or the "we you allude to) want. When dealing with a sciopath like you, I call it prudent.

 

>You dont belong on the internet, as you haven't a clue what

>you are doing.

 

And YOU do?

 

>You cannot treat the internet as real life and

>if you think so, you are sadly mistaken. We still have

>liberties and freedom on the internet, because liberal, negro

>loving idiots like yourself haven't been able to take them

>away.

 

You are probably the stupidist poster I have ever come across in these forums. You repeatedly ask me to show where you have ever been racist and then you go and post that I am a "liberal, negro loving idiot". If you don't understand the implications of that comment - there is no hope for you - ever!

 

>Freedom of speech is STILL allowed on the internet, and

>it just burns you up.

 

No it doesn't burn me up. But it burns YOU up. You think it OK for you to post whatever you want, but when someone else calls you on what you said, their freedom of speech becomes secondary to yours.

 

>You cannot stop me from staying what I think on the internet

>just like you can in real life.

 

Huh? How can I stop you from saying what you think in real life? A little clarification is in order here.

 

>You are crazy. You, as a gay

>man have been trying to get freedom from being forced into

>what the popular thought dictate for YEARS, and when you

>finally get popular thought changed, you become that which you

>have been fighting. Ironic, inst it. That you would criticize

>and persecute those who don't believe and think JUST LIKE

>YOU.

 

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you any inkling of how trite your ramblings are.

 

>You dont deserve that which you have today. And that is my

>point. You think we would realize what we have and stop

>pushing for more. But no, people like you RUIN It for the rest

>of us. You are the typical, flaming, flaunting sally go crazy

>faggot that makes normal gay men like us look bad.

 

Show me where I have "pushed for more" as you call it. If you are going to rant, then at least get your facts straight and stay on topic. You call yourself a "normal gay man"? You have just done a disservice to 99% of the gays on the planet. If I thought for a second being like you is "normal", I'd surrender my gay card before sundown tonight.

 

>Take the chip off your shoulder, and BE NORMAL. Understand and

>accept that other people have different views from yourself.

>Jesus man. GET OVER IT.

 

Let me see if I got this right. I should become "NORMAL" like you, meaning,

 

(1) I should offer to beat up on other men I have never met just because someone mentioned they were being harrased by them?

 

(2) I should threaten to steal others identity and clean out their bank accounts?

 

(3) I should claim not to be racist in the same breath as I post racist comments?

 

(4) I should then lie and deny I ever said such things?

 

(5) When I am pissed off with others on a message board I should revert to what I consider gentlemanly behavior and tell them to "fornicate off"?

 

If THAT is what your definition of normal is please be assured I just don't want any part of it.

[2hard2tame]

>>>>....that makes normal gay men like us look bad.

>>>

>>>

>>>You call yourself normal? Is this the joke you've

>>threatened

>>>to post? It is quite funny.

>>

>>

>>

>>awee, and Zipper's bottom boy comes to his rescue.

>

>That's quite funny, too. Aren't you the one that was getting

>paid to get poked? And then you posed the question on the

>message center whether or not other clients might be

>interested in poking your hole. Oh, I forgot. You were getting

>paid for your conversational abilities. LOL

>

>

>ML

 

 

Actually, I was paid to poke, but who is counting? Pot, meet kettle. Dont be so quick to criticize, without young studs like me, people like you would NEVER get laid. Oh, did I mention, I have escorted in almost 7 months?

[2hard2tame]

Uh oh....

I think I made the toothless old man angry!

 

everyone run!

 

bahahaha.

You are lucky you amuse me, zipper.

 

Something makes me think my fathers owned some of your family back in the cotton heyday of the south.

 

You got any plantation in you boy?

[Guest zipperzone]

>Something makes me think my fathers owned some of your family

>back in the cotton heyday of the south.

>

>You got any plantation in you boy?

 

I guess you're voting for Obama, eh?

 

Clan members are still allowed to vote? right?

[MiamiLooker]

>Oh, did I

>mention, I have escorted in almost 7 months?

>

 

 

You have?

[Rick Munroe]

>I was a nerd, and a

>"brainiac"

 

LOL No comment.

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

To those of you who see no reason for Hate Crime Laws to exist or

 

consider them "thought crimes," I say people are still free to

 

think all of the horrible disgusting hateful violent things that they

 

care to in relation to those who are different from themselves.

 

 

However, they are not entitled to put those thoughts into action

 

under the law. The addition of Hate Crimes charges for certain

 

types of violent criminal actions are a societal reminder to the

 

perpetrator and others that they are not free to cross that line from

 

thought to action.

 

 

Moreover, that we as a society have determined that a crime which

 

specifically targets a victim because of their

 

race/religion/sex/sexual orientatin/disability/ethnicity is more

 

heinous and more repulsive to our collective societal conscience than

 

if the act were not motivated by hate.

 

As such, an additional penalty is required to remind the perpetrator

 

and those of his/her ilk that we as a society will not tolerate such

 

behavior. For if you follow the perpetrator's line of reasoning, if

 

not for the victim's race/religion/sex/sexual orientationin

 

/disability/ethnicity the crime would probably not have been

 

committed.

 

 

In relation to Hate Crimes The Anti-Defamation League lists some good

 

definitions and recommended actions on its website - Defenitions are

 

listed below.

 

http://www.adl.org/prejudice/prejudice_hate_crime.asp

 

 

Definition of a Hate Incident

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Hate-motivated incidents are defined as behavior which constitutes an expression of hostility against the person or property of another because of the victim's race, religion, disability, gender, ethnicity or sexual orientation. However, hate-motivated incidents include those actions that are motivated by bias, but do not meet the necessary elements required to prove a crime. This may include such behavior as nonthreatening name calling, using racial slurs or disseminating racist leaflets.

 

Definition of a Hate Crime

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Hate crimes are defined under specific penal code sections as an act or an attempted act by any person against the person or property of another individual or group which in any way constitutes an expression of hostility toward the victim because of his or her race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, disability, gender or ethnicity. (Elements of crime statutes and protected classifications vary from state to state.) This includes but is not limited to threatening phone calls, hate mail, physical assaults, vandalism, cross burnings, destruction of religious symbols and fire bombings.

 

Often when incidents of either bigotry or other acts motivated by hate occur, it is left to the victims and members of the particular group that has been attacked to speak out

 

 

 

 

PEACE-LOVE-AND HOT SEX TO ALL!

[ariadne1880]

Blah, blah, blah. What "hate crimes" legislation is is another way to legislate morality which is kinda funny because these are the same people who government out of the bedroom and the doctor's office but now they want the government in the mind of a person who commits a crime.

 

It is also a way of saying "we as a society value one life above another." That's so morally and ethically wrong that it isn't even funny.

 

It should be no more a crime to kill a white man than a black one; a gay man or a straight man; a woman or a child.

 

Killing someone or robbing someone should be a crime. Period. Making it more of an offense to kill a gay man than to kill a straight man doesn't do anything for society except re-inforce to the bigots that gay people are not just like them but are in a special class. And that does nothing to further anyone's rights.

 

Mark

[Guest Wetnwildbear]

Prosecutors weigh motive everyday in determining which charge to

 

apply to a set of actions which violate one or more of a number of

 

criminal statutes.

 

 

Those crimes with more heinous motives carry steeper penalties.

 

The addition of a hate crime charge is NOT the additional prosecution

 

of the actions but of the MOTIVE. If hate is the reaseon that a

 

perpetrator selected to harm a particular viotim, then like many

 

other criminal acts, a prosector is justified in adding the motive

 

based additional charge of a hate crime violation.

 

 

Hate Crime laws are not attempts to legislate morality.

 

They are legislation designed to enhance punishment based on the

 

motive for a crime. If that is a thought crime than so are many

 

other criminal violations, as prosecutors must establish the "mens

 

rea" or motive as one of the essential elements of every crime

 

in order to prove guilt.

 

 

As for legislating morality or perceived morality, that is done

 

everyday. Our criminal code is rooted in the Ten Commandements, the

 

Laws of Hamurabi and those prohibitions in the Old/New Testament and

 

the Koran.

 

 

Blues laws have been in place since the beginning of this nation and

 

are rooted in perceived morality. For example in almost every town

 

in New Jersey, you cannot buy alcohol on Sundays before noon. Why?

 

Because that is when church lets out. Until recently in Pennsylvania

 

you could not buy alcohol on Sundays, except after 5pm in

 

full service Restaurants with liquor licenses. Why? Because tis the

 

Lords Day (Unless of course you are Jewish/Muslim/Agnostic/Atheist).

 

And the list goes on and on and gets more arcane and ranges to the

 

ridiculous

 

 

Even if one were to accept the premise that Hate Crime laws value

 

the life of one person over another, then it is a mistake to the good

 

of society to "overvalue" the life of a member of a persecuted group.

 

Rather than for society and the law to continue to turn a blind eye

 

to the motives which inspire hate realted violence and murder against

 

those members of society whom some believe to be of lesser value.

 

 

PEACE-LOVE- AND HORNIESS!

[Guest ReturnOfS]

This just came to mind.

 

If Brandon himself was teased a lot by his friend when Lawrence gave him a valentine's card, and thats part of the reason why Brandon shot Lawrence, then morally, his friends also share a good amount of the blame.

[Guest zipperzone]

>Blah, blah, blah. What "hate crimes" legislation is

>is another way to legislate morality which is kinda funny

>because these are the same people who government out of the

>bedroom and the doctor's office but now they want the

>government in the mind of a person who commits a crime.

 

Are you ready for this creepoid?

[Philly Guy]

>Now that is cold.

>

>The mind of a gay rightwinger is a scary thing.

 

He is just an angry guy. He never has anything nice to say about anyone or anything. Sorry; he did enjoy South Pacific

[Philly Guy]

>>Blah, blah, blah. What "hate crimes"

>legislation is

>>is another way to legislate morality which is kinda funny

>>because these are the same people who government out of

>the

>>bedroom and the doctor's office but now they want the

>>government in the mind of a person who commits a crime.

>

>Are you ready for this creepoid?

 

It is just more venom. If you could only extract it from him and weaponize it we would be out of Iraq in days