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>To live

>well, you'll want to send your laundry out (few apartments

>have washers and dryers) and your groceries delivered

 

Hey, Derek and I enjoy doing our own laundry at the laundromat and shlepping our groceries home. Does that mean we don't live well? Hmmm...I can live with that. (Besides, having stuff delivered and picked up reminds me of my very sedentary grandmother, whose ass is permanently attached to her LA-Z-Boy. I'd rather move my ass and do it myself!) :p

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>Hey, Derek and I enjoy doing our own laundry at the laundromat

>and shlepping our groceries home. Does that mean we don't

>live well? Hmmm...I can live with that. (Besides, having

>stuff delivered and picked up reminds me of my very sedentary

>grandmother, whose ass is permanently attached to her

>LA-Z-Boy. I'd rather move my ass and do it myself!) :p

 

Well there's always two ways of looking at things.

 

Using a laundromat gives you the chance to watch what kind of underwear all those hotties throw into the dryer. And there's always the hope that some stud might undress in front of you and throw all his clothes in the washer. Dream on........

 

But, if you insist in shlepping your groceries home, think of all the delivery boys that will never get the chance to have your soft lips around their hard cock. ;-)

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>Using a laundromat gives you the chance to watch what kind of

>underwear all those hotties throw into the dryer.

 

I never thought about that! But we have collected lots of phone numbers from hot guys in there. A laundromat can be a major pick-up place in our neighborhood (less so now that it's less gay, but it still happens!)

 

>But, if you insist in shlepping your groceries home, think of

>all the delivery boys that will never get the chance to have

>your soft lips around their hard cock. ;-)

 

I do well enough with my "straight" UPS guy (why else do you think I do so much online shopping?). :9

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>Chicago & Seattle hardly fit on the same list as LA or NY.

 

 

I'll agree they may not be on the same exact tier, but for those of us who don't live in Chicago or Seattle--especially Chicago--they are mighty pricey. I gasp at the price of some of these houses/condos, I see on TV shows like "Priced to Sell" or "Househunters" on HGTV.

 

Gman

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>>Chicago & Seattle hardly fit on the same list as LA or NY.

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>

>I'll agree they may not be on the same exact tier, but for

>those of us who don't live in Chicago or Seattle--especially

>Chicago--they are mighty pricey. I gasp at the price of some

>of these houses/condos, I see on TV shows like "Priced to

>Sell" or "Househunters" on HGTV.

 

Can I put a little personal perspective on this?

 

I've lived in the DC, NYC, Chicago, and now LA areas.

 

ALL of them have perfectly liveable and affordable suburbs -- except LA.

 

In NYC, you can get decent apartments in NJ for a quarter of what you'd pay for less space in Manhattan. In Chicago, you pay less the farther away you get from the loop.

 

In LA, it's expensive from Santa Barbara to the Mexican border.

 

There was a time in my life when I *thrived* on being IN the city and soaking up the city energy. These days I'm perfectly happy to be a little removed, in a slower and more congenial suburban setting. But the city is "just over there" so I can go visit the theaters, nightlife, museums, etc. (Pretty much my relationship with snow right now, too.)

 

If I was making a choice, I wouldn't hesitate to be near NY, DC, or Chicago. In them, maybe not. I'm not sure LA would make that list. I do love living here, but my income supports it. If my purse strings were a little tighter, I'd probably be shopping for a condo in Manassas, VA.

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>I do well enough with my "straight" UPS guy (why else do you

>think I do so much online shopping?). :9

 

Oh you SLUT you.......

 

Does he wear the brown shorts?

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>If I was making a choice, I wouldn't hesitate to be near NY,

>DC, or Chicago. In them, maybe not. I'm not sure LA would make

>that list. I do love living here, but my income supports it.

>If my purse strings were a little tighter, I'd probably be

>shopping for a condo in Manassas, VA.

 

Sorry, can't resist. :+

 

Manassas, VA Market conditions from a realtor site.

 

http://realtytimes.com/rtmcrloc/Virginia~Manassas

 

As of December 6, 2007, there are 1,936 active residential listings in Manassas (including the City of Manassas and Manassas Park) and the average number of days on market is 133. The list prices range from $109,900 to $1,980,000; the average list price is $333,803 and the median is $299,900. The current market absorption rate is 17.6.

 

110 residential sales in Manassas (including the City of Manassas and Manassas Park) closed during the month of November, 2007 (up from 101 sales closed in October). These sales ranged in price from $120,000 to $637,000.

 

The average list price was $315,802 (down from $327,819 in October) and the average net sales price (less seller concessions) was $297,040 (down from $311,296 in October).

 

The median list price was $291,950 (down from $299,900 in October) and the median net sales price was $270,285 (down from $291,000 in October).

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Like I said, *IF* I had a choice, that's where I'd be looking.

 

I'd love to find a place in the $250K range. That's unheard of here, even during the housing collapse. If you don't have $450k to spend, fuggedaboutit. And that will get you a fixer, if you can find one.

 

$550k doesn't improve the choices much and you don't get NOVA's southern charm, sweeping valleys, and fall colors to go along with it. :-(

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You can't be serious about Manassas. It's the suburb that other suburbs make fun of, with Lorena Bobbitt & Co. as typical residents. It makes places like Rockville seem like Paris. It's defenders note the new upscale housing nearby, but you wind up being in the middle of an increasingly congested corridor miles from anything of interest. And NoVA's southern charm is about as charming as Atlanta's.

 

You'd be better off going to some place like Harper's Ferry, WV (I know a number of people who've done this, and the gay friendliness has reached a point where there are now several gay B&Bs in the area), where housing is cheap, there's actual scenery and you can take the a commuter train to DC and the Maryland suburbs.

 

BTW--I know people who've bought perfectly livable fixer-upper ranch homes in Alexandria for $350K.

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>Does he wear the brown shorts?

 

Of course; they look great against his brown Latino legs...and in the summer, he gets really sweaty, esp. when he has to bring me heavy cartons of protein powder up 3 flights of stairs. The first time was straight out of a porn script...it was hot, he was dripping, I offered him a cold drink, and remarked on his prominent bulge (sometimes, I'm not so shy). }(

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Everyone has to find the place they are most comfortable in. Some are restless souls who will forever be moving from one location to another.

 

I've chosen to spend my days here in NYC. With the exception of London and Paris (now there'e 2 cities that are more expensive than NY!), I find the energy and excitement this city has to offer unique. I get a thrill after a night at the theater when I walk up Sixth Avenue (that's Avenue of the Americas, for all you tourists out there! :)) and look at Rock Center. Cutting over to Fifth Avenue to 57th St, I get another charge looking up at St. Patrick's or the upscale stores and hotels. It's a fascinating city, full of bright lights, places to go and things to see. Yeah, Banks and Starbucks have become the "new' Korean markets and nail salons, that were prevelant 10-15 years ago. Commercial rents are the highest they've ever been and these are the only rentors with the money to afford those locations. Trust me, within 5 years, you'll start to see the banks pull out. Most of them are devoid of customers, so they'll soon see that it's not profitable to operate in all these locations anymore. The city changes, it evolves, it's part of the on-going scheme of things. Look at all the urban development in places like FL, CA or NV. Developers are building homes and communities in places where no one ever thought to live before. Of course, the environmental impact will be tremendous.

 

Tom, while I agree that Manhattan is becoming more upscale and expensive, where do you think all the rest of those folks you see on the street are coming from. They are the middle and lower class workers who perhaps live in neighborhoods you haven't had the opportunity to explore. I find NY neighborhoods really fascinating these days. Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx all have places that are truly inspiring. A walk through the UWS will convince you that not every building is a brand new cookie cutter box. Have you ever been up to the Bronx to visit City Island? You'd swear you were in a New England fishing village. How about Brooklyn Heights or Cobble Hill in Brooklyn? I had the opportunity recently to visit someone in LI City and it was a lovely, laid-back area with great homes and a short walk over to East River. Tennis at Arthur Ashe Stadium, wandering around the Brooklyn Museum, concerts or theater at BAM, frankfurters at Nathan's in Coney Island, the Aquarium, etc. All great places to go and spend some time. Even the schelp to Jones Beach in the sumemr on a weekday can be a worthwhile experience.

 

I went to an off-off-Broadway show Saturday night at the Soho Playhouse and was amazed that as I turned the corner on Vandam St, there was a row of townhouses sitting in the middle of an otherwise warehouse/loft district. Even the theater had a certain charm about it, although the damn seats were so close together it made it terribly uncomfortable and the show, well, I bolted at intermission and went uptown for a few drinks!

 

As the song and slogan say "I Love NY".

 

ED

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