Embarrassing Situation

[Doe Be Doe]

Okay this is very embarrassing but here goes. I apparently have picked up some unwanted guests either scabies or lice. I assume that they came from the last escort I visited about 2 weeks ago. However, as I read about the problem it is not absolutely certain that they can be picked up just from sex. It could be the gym, a toilet, close contact in the subway. Since I cannot be 100% sure they came from him, I do not think I'll mention his name. Does that sound reasonable?

 

More to the point: how does one distinguish between scabies and lice? Where in NYC can one go to get checked out? (I really do not want to go to my normal doctor!)

 

From what I have read, scabies is mostly around the hands and fingers and is very itchy. These are simply small bumps on the chest, stomach, back shoulders and a few bright bright red spots in the groin. Itchy? Yes, but not really that bad at all. For that reason I do not think it is scabies.

 

Scabies requires a physician to prescribe a cream. Body lice requires shampooing with an over the counter product.

 

I hope I am not the only one who has had this problem.

[Doe Be Doe]

Private replies or thoughts to:

 

needhelpdaddy@hotmail.com

 

Thanks.

[+ Tygerscent]

I think that you can use RID and buy it over trhe counter. Another product is called Acticin, (Permethrin), but I am not sure if you can get that over the counter or not~

Scabies really has a broad range of fomites, (objects that can transmit a disease or critter)... it's really common in hospitals, medical offices, and in gyms and spotrs arena places like wrestling mats and things. Children seem to pick them up easily and you can find outbreaks in grade schools with some relative frequency. They can hang out just waiting for some unsuspecting host on linens, towels, toilets, pillows, coats etc... direct skin to skin contact as well. They can burrow in anywhere... feet, hands, chest, neck, underarms... they don't seem to be picky. Saw them a lot when I was working in the ICU and in various hospitals.

You can tell if they are not lice by scraping the area over a piece of black paper and then white paper. If little critters fall onto the paper they are most likely lice. Crabs will show up on black or white paper and body or head lice will be more visably showing up on black paper since they are grey or whitish and somewhat larger.

Scabies will often look like slashes or streaks of red on the skin but sometimes form patches.

The itching is a result of the females burrowing into you to feed so they can pop out some new progeny.

You can most likely go to an STD clinic anywhere and anonymously and get something for them if you need a `script.

They will most likely tell you to wash all of your bedding and clothing, jackets etc... but you can most likely avoid having to shave to get rid of the "Nits", (eggs and egg cases), that crabs, body or head lice attach to your hairs.

Soemtimes a "contact dermatitis" can mimmick the symptoms of scabies... as well as eczema and psoriasis.

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[Guest EuropTravl]

>>Scabies requires a physician to prescribe a cream.

 

Not true. KWELL shampoo or lotion gets rid of both critters (leaving the cream on overnights is best, get the shampoo too to use first) and is over the counter. RID, too - KWELL-best. (had to come change this and add what's prescription in one state isn't always in another, KWELL does require a Rx in some states)

 

Wash your clothes and bed sheets in hot water.

 

As I said another thread, escorts and clients using RID shampoo prophylactically now and then is a good idea. Look at your arm hairs, eyebrows, pubes - if you have little black like things stuck to them you have nits (lice or "crabs" eggs) and need to use the little comb to try to tease them out and use the shampoo AGAIN a couple days later.

 

>>It could be the gym, a toilet, close contact in the subway.

 

Nice try. As I just told someone with RAGING herpes who just left the office, no, it wasn't from a bicycle seat. (but describe "close contact in the subway" ...could...be....)

[Guest zipperzone]

Easy fix. I don't know if this is sold in the USA or not but in Canada there is a product called "NIX", manufactured by Burroughs-Wellcome in Canada which is owned by Warner-Wellcome in the US, so I presume it should be available to you.

 

Comes two ways. As a lotion that is rubbed into your skin (messy). Much better is the spray can. You will need someone to spray you as there are parts such as your back that are impossible to reach. Only downside is that the spray is cold as hell going on as are most aresols. But it works like a charm - results usually in one application.

 

It is critical to wash all bedding and clothes you have worn since your suspected contact.

[Doe Be Doe]

Thanks everyone. Hopefully my uninvited guests will be gone soon and not return.

[+ LIguy]

Could it possibly be bed bugs?

[Guest EuropTravl]

>Could it possibly be bed bugs?

 

LOL, what do you think lice and scabies are? (Head lice is common in school age kids and I suppose that's where Mama saying "don't let the bed bugs bite" comes from) Dust mites in your matress (and they're there) shouldn't bite.

:7

 

BTW, I don't know what type relationship others have with their personal physician, but if you couldn't call a doctor and ask "I have a problem, have done some research, and could you call in Kwell for me?" and have it done no questions asked, I'd find a new physician and let them know why. It's a harmless shampoo and unless you're stupid enough to drink it....

[seaboy4hire]

>>C It's a

>harmless shampoo and unless you're stupid enough to drink

>it....

 

Those warnings are on there for a reason because well....;-)

 

Hugs,

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[Guest]

It's very easy to distinguish crabs from scabies. Crabs are easily visible with the naked eye. Scabies require a microscope. Kwell works well for crabs but may or may not work for scabies, which are often resistant. Elimite is generally effective for almost all cases of scabies. Crabs and scabies do require direct contact. Herpes (HSV) can live on inanimate surfaces for quite some time (and have been grown as such in culture). I have definitely seen cases where the distribution (i.e. the thigh area where one usually sits on the toilet) strongly suggests that the infection was caught from the toilet seat. I personally use those handy paper covers for toilet seats, although I feel I must have some natural immunity to genital herpes, because if I haven't caught it after all of the 100s of guys I've slept with in my life (including probably at least 100 escorts), I'm probably not susceptible.

[twinkboylover28]

I've read that there are two types of herpes (HSV-1 and HSV-2) and that you can't have both of them in the mouth and on the penis.

 

For example, if you have herpes HSV-1 in your mouth, you won't have it on your penis (because your body is already immune to it since it originally occured in your mouth).

 

And if you have herpes HSV-2 on your penis, you wont have herpes HSV-2 in your mouth.

 

 

Just what I read, but I could be wrong.

[+ Tygerscent]

RE: Bed Bugs...

 

Bed bugs are different then lice or scabies. Bed bugs can come out of the ceiling or wallls and generally have a proboscus type mouth. The come out at night and come down to snuggle up with you in bed. They leaev a red mark that has a red dot center with a ring around it from their mouth pieces.

You don't really see bed bugs here much. South of the border you will find them and in Europe as well. They are rather large too... scabies and lice are much stealthier in their appearence. crabs may be difficult to see with the naked eye and scabies nearly microscopic. Bed bugs are big enough to pick up with your fingers or crush under your shoe~

The "Good Night Sleep Tight.." thing refers to a period when matresses where set on frames on top of ropes that supported them. In the evening you would pull the rpoes taught in order to firm uip the bed. Being elevated off the ground reduced your risk of being bitten by bed bugs.

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[Guest EuropTravl]

>I've read that there are two types of herpes (HSV-1 and

>HSV-2) and that you can't have both of them in the mouth and

>on the penis.

>

>For example, if you have herpes HSV-1 in your mouth, you won't

>have it on your penis (because your body is already immune to

>it since it originally occured in your mouth).

>

>And if you have herpes HSV-2 on your penis, you wont have

>herpes HSV-2 in your mouth.

>

>

>Just what I read, but I could be wrong.

 

Once you are infected with HSV-1 or 2, you harbor the virus for life so you never get rid of either. 80 percent of adults have HSV-1 and usually you contracted it when you were a child. It can cause "cold sores" on the lips and also you can self-spread the virus to your genitals and they do cause minor irritation now and then but type 1 is pretty mild compared to the big #2 and thats the bad guy which most of the population DOES NOT have (although it is the most common std). It the one that is much more recurrent and although usually confined to the below the waist I've seen it in the face and eyes. There is a simple blood test called "Herpes Select" that checks antibodies to type 1 or 2 for those who wonder if that was what that little sore was last year - If you're postive for Type 1 antibodies who cares because almost everyone is, but if you are positive for Type 2 antibodies that is proof you were infected with it. And although you have antibodies you never ever clear the virus, it just lives in your spinal cord and makes appearances now and then. It doesn't cause death, illness (well unless you're immunocompromised and it's in your eye) or is more just a minor irritation that comes and goes - the drug companies have overblown and over-dramatized infections as something that you would require daily medication for heaven forbid you have an outbreak and the neighbors know!!!! PS - having contact with someone who does have herpes and you don't - taking Valtrex or Zovirax or Famvir is worthless in preventing you from getting it as you have to have the virus for those to even do anything.

[Guest]

I'm not sure I understand the grammar in your last sentence, but taking anti-herpetic medications does reduce the chance of transmitting it to your partner (certainly not eliminate it, though). Valtrex is actually FDA-approved for this indication. As for an uninfected person taking anti-herpetic meds to reduce the chance of transmission--I don't think that's ever been studied. With respect to HIV, however, the evidence does seem to show a substantial decrease in risk in becoming infected with HIV when HIV meds are taken immediately after exposure. Anti-herpetic meds aren't cures, but they are helpful for many (the OTC cream is a joke, tough--it only reduces outbreak duration by about 6 hours!!).

[Guest PWIT]

I read today in Men's Health Magazine the number of reports of bed bugs in hotels is up. May need to add the below to list of sites to check before your next trip:

 

http://bedbugregistry.com/

[Guest]

>I've read that there are two types of herpes (HSV-1 and

>HSV-2) and that you can't have both of them in the mouth and

>on the penis.

>

>For example, if you have herpes HSV-1 in your mouth, you won't

>have it on your penis (because your body is already immune to

>it since it originally occured in your mouth).

>

>And if you have herpes HSV-2 on your penis, you wont have

>herpes HSV-2 in your mouth.

>

>

>Just what I read, but I could be wrong.

 

Well, there does seem to be good evidence that someone who's had HSV-1 will have less severe HSV-2 symptoms, but it certainly doesn't mean that if you've had a cold sore, you can't get genital herpes. I'm lucky in that I had a cold sore on my lip once as a teen-ager, and have never had a recurrence. I have wondered if those antibodies have protected me from HSV-2. No way to know, I reckon. Most people who've had genital herpes don't know it. In my experience, women seem to be particularly clueless (probably because there's always something going on down there).

[Guest ReturnOfS]

Unclean! Unclean!

I cast you out!!!

 

 

 

Just playing with you :+

Couldn't resist :-)

[Guest EuropTravl]

> As for an uninfected person taking anti-herpetic

>meds to reduce the chance of transmission--I don't think

>that's ever been studied.

 

It has, and given the way the medications work you have to be infected for them to do anything, they don't PROTECT a non-infected person from getting herpes if exposed to it. So if Person A has a history of it and Person B doesn't, Person A is the one who has to take the medication continuously as Person B taking it doesn't protect him from getting infected. As I recall, even when married couples have been studied where one has HSV2 and doesn't take precautions, there is about a 60 percent transmission rate so some people (40 percent) do have some sort of immunity to it.

[Doe Be Doe]

The treatment last Wednesday either did not work or I was immediately reinfected. So I am repeating the process tonight. This is not fun. I've read that there are now scabies that are resistant to all treatment. Yikes!

[Guest EuropTravl]

>The treatment last Wednesday either did not work or I was

>immediately reinfected. So I am repeating the process tonight.

>This is not fun. I've read that there are now scabies that are

>resistant to all treatment. Yikes!

 

Calm down and remember both scabies and lice like to lay eggs (eggs that make them very protected from the initial applications of liquids) so retreatment is common (and recommended - one dose is not going to work). I'm no scabies expert but IF you have SUPER-SCABIES (and I doubt you do) how can you not name the guy that done it?

;-) **

 

My last work on herpes is that I forgot to mention that as health providers we're reminded to tell infected patients that they are MUCH more succeptible to HIV infection - not too hard to understand considering herpes sores are like wet little sponges waiting to absorb anything, especially another virus.

 

**On second thought, I'm serious. Your medical provider would have a duty to report a drug resistant infectious disease to the public health department.

[Guest]

Was your first treatment Elimite (permethrin)? Another fact to keep in mind is what I tell patients (and our handout states): it can take two weeks for the itching to go away. This is because the treatment kills the bugs but does not remove them from under the skin where they burrow. However, if the itching has spread, this would be a sign of treatment failure. The vast majority of treatment failures are thought to be due to lack of compliance with the complicated instructions, including linen cleaning, etc. Also, the treatment must be applied to everywhere from the neck down. This includes under the fingernails, in the taint, the crack, and so forth. Do not wash your hands of the medication before going to bed on the treatment night.

[bernardfff]

Your 'Normal' doctor?!

What is it, 1950?

Just ask a druggist (pharmacist).

This forum shocks me sometimes

[Doe Be Doe]

I believe that it was reinfection since new bumps appeared where they were not 60 hours after the first treatment. I used the second permethrin treatment last night. This time I put it on my face which I had not done before. Also it is warm here for this time of year. Going down to the laundry room and back makes me sweat so I made sure to reapply the permethrin once the laundry was done. I did not do that last time. This time I've put my pillows away in plastic bags. The doctor said for 3 days, websites recommend 1 or even 2 weeks. I also cleaned the computer, phones, desk, chairs, etc with bleach. I threw away the deodorant and razor.

 

In spite of this I have two new bumps this morning. The doctor said that does not necessarily indicate treatment failure. But if I am still getting bumps after 48 hours that would indicate treatment failure.

 

Thanks for your advice and thoughts.

[+ ArVaGuy]

>The treatment last Wednesday either did not work or I was

>immediately reinfected. So I am repeating the process tonight.

>This is not fun. I've read that there are now scabies that are

>resistant to all treatment. Yikes!

 

 

One more thing you need to do to prevent a return is stripping all the bed linens. These critters eggs take up residence in the sheets and pillow cases. Best to launder all your bed linens from the last several weeks in the hot water cycle. Or consider buying a new set to really make sure you have clean linens.

 

In regard to hotel bedbugs, NEVER place your luggage on your hotel bed to unpack or repack them. Be sure to use the luggage racks provided by the hotels for this purpose. Bedbugs can take up residence in your luggage and that's one way people wind up with them at home. Also, keep in mind even four star hotels can wind up with bedbugs.

[Doe Be Doe]

I washed the sheets and pillow cases and the mattress pad in hot water. I sealed my pillows up and will leave them for a week. I put the comforter in the dryer for 30 minutes. Gosh, I hope all this works. And I am going to be very careful who I hire next time - if I ever do again!