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[Mocha]

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Edited October 1, 2019 by Mocha

[jjkrkwood]

Is this an observation, or yet another Criticism ???

[+ OliverSaks]

Putting more and more restraints on your biz could result in less and less biz for you, as people can move along to people without those requirements.

 

I don’t think you have a 9-5 job, so I’m curious as to why you are always complaining about being so hung up on answering messages. Isn’t this biz your full time gig? Shouldn’t it make sense that you have to spend time on it, even a good deal that does not eventually fruit?

 

If you ever want to hire a screener of calls/texts, let me know. I’d do it just for the experience of seeing the world through your eyes, no compensation required. Maybe you really DO get a disproportionate share of bullshit

[jjkrkwood]

When people hire, its supposed to be all about THEM, not about the provider, although respect on BOTH sides should always be present. The OP here is always complaining about what he's NOT getting from the process.... A normal person who spends most of their time complaining about what they are not getting from their work will usually just go out and find OTHER work....Living a life that's not fulfilled is NOT LIVING.....

[Chad Constantine]

Putting more and more restraints on your biz could result in less and less biz for you, as people can move along to people without those requirements.

 

I don’t think you have a 9-5 job, so I’m curious as to why you are always complaining about being so hung up on answering messages. Isn’t this biz your full time gig? Shouldn’t it make sense that you have to spend time on it, even a good deal that does not eventually fruit?

 

If you ever want to hire a screener of calls/texts, let me know. I’d do it just for the experience of seeing the world through your eyes, no compensation required. Maybe you really DO get a disproportionate share of bullshit

 

No compensation??? You have a heart of gold.

[Chad Constantine]

When people hire, its supposed to be all about THEM, not about the provider, although respect on BOTH sides should always be present. The OP here is always complaining about what he's NOT getting from the process.... A normal person who spends most of their time complaining about what they are not getting from their work will usually just go out and find OTHER work....Living a life that's not fulfilled is NOT LIVING.....

 

Some people just like to complain for the attention, others because they need to vent, other because they are ungrateful, and some the money is to good to give up so you complain it away. In all honesty hooking up with people you don't find attractive is a traumatic experience.

[Rod Hagen]

I've been escorting for 20 years and it was only a year ago that I became reachable via business texts.

 

I just hate the language: How much? Available? and, "Hey". Emails and phone are much more personal and MUCH less likely to lead to flakes. But, I live in the world and eventually I had to give in. I don't like it, but part of being a compassionate person is to utilize the language of others.

[noreus88]

I don’t know why some people don’t see how bad of taste it is to message someone lazily with nothing to go by.

Because earth is vastly populated with low-level, inferior beings.

Don't mind them much, take their money.

Keep your goal in mind: money, not receiving pretty messages.

[marylander1940]

I've been escorting for 20 years and it was only a year ago that I became reachable via business texts.

 

I just hate the language: How much? Available? and, "Hey". Emails and phone are much more personal and MUCH less likely to lead to flakes. But, I live in the world and eventually I had to give in. I don't like it, but part of being a compassionate person is to utilize the language of others.

 

Exactly!

 

Instead of talking for a couple of minutes now people prefer to text for hours. Makes no sense Specially when the first text message it might be: “hi”.

 

I understand texting an address or a message saying “I am on my way” or “I just parked” but making plans by text takes longer.

 

@Dave Still requires a phone call by a first time client

[Mocha]

Putting more and more restraints on your biz could result in less and less biz for you, as people can move along to people without those requirements.

 

I don’t think you have a 9-5 job, so I’m curious as to why you are always complaining about being so hung up on answering messages. Isn’t this biz your full time gig? Shouldn’t it make sense that you have to spend time on it, even a good deal that does not eventually fruit?

 

If you ever want to hire a screener of calls/texts, let me know. I’d do it just for the experience of seeing the world through your eyes, no compensation required. Maybe you really DO get a disproportionate share of bullshit

 

Thanks, but no thanks. I already have an assistant who screens my calls. But If you want to see the world “thru my eyes”, I post a lot of follies on my social media. Usually after every tour, I’ll go thru and post a whole list of people who send stuff like:

 

Sup. On July 9, 2017

Sup. On September 16, 2017

Sup. On September 11, 2019

 

Then there’s the ones with slightly higher intelligence:

 

1. Where in Detroit are you? What's your donation?

 

2. Hey guy saw ad online. Milwaukee here. You available?

 

3. Hey man (inserts name) here (his age) in chicago. I'm looking to get fucked raw. How's it going?

 

4. August 24, 8:39 pm: will you slide your cock onto my hole? i can do the morning

 

August 25, 7:34 am: i am not able to meet with you today. i never committed to any appointment. but thanks for trying to rob me

 

So yeah...that’s all real life stuff (all anonymous, so nobody get abashed). Otherwise YES, it is my job to reply to ACTUAL APPOINTMENTS. It’s NOT my job to sit around on my phone like a fucking vegetable texting MOFOS round the clock who aren’t fucking booking shit! Lol.

 

I’ve at times put in my ad, I AM NOT A CALL CENTER. I’m not here or have the manpower to answer 50 million messages that are irrelevant and say nothing about them or who they’re contacting. Most of those types never end up going thru with an appointment anyway (non of the above ever did either, one in Milwaukee was a habitual timewaster. He couldn’t remember I gave him a piece of my mind back in July after he stood me up and called the hotel I was planning to stay “a dump”). Not like he was going to contribute for a night at the Westin downtown anyway.

 

I think you should be more understanding, and more inquisitive. You don’t know what someone may be going thru, until they tell you. You say you want to work/travel with another escort, but you just come off so non-understanding of another’s plights. Maybe that’s not what you’re trying to do, but it does.

 

It’s like the whole Ed Buck scandal going on. He wasn’t doing that to white guys, it was mostly only with Black guys. I think you’re in denial of the fact that “we” do likely get more disrespectful/discourteous treatment from the general John community, and that’s why I don’t take any shit from nobody.

[Mocha]

I've been escorting for 20 years and it was only a year ago that I became reachable via business texts.

 

I just hate the language: How much? Available? and, "Hey". Emails and phone are much more personal and MUCH less likely to lead to flakes. But, I live in the world and eventually I had to give in. I don't like it, but part of being a compassionate person is to utilize the language of others.

 

I know you’re a legend for sure so I take your word! But, I’ve gone ahead and made it clear that I won’t be answering any 1 word Neanderthal language any further. It’s almost 2020, not 2020 B.C. Lol. People can fucking speak. If they can make $75, 100, 150,000 a year and have extra money to pay escorts, they’re smart enough to write a full sentence, and address me like a hot waiter in an upscale restaurant, and not some guy walking around in a towel at a bathhouse, in my opinion.

 

Some people just like to complain for the attention, others because they need to vent, other because they are ungrateful, and some the money is to good to give up so you complain it away. In all honesty hooking up with people you don't find attractive is a traumatic experience.

 

I “complain” (if people want to call it that, but I consider it more of informational concerns) because I’m asking for changes. Probably won’t do much good here, but I believe speaking to the universe pays off. I don’t really care to chat too much to my real life friends about things, because only solution they can offer is solutions they would do themselves. Which generally don’t always align to my circumstances.

 

That said, I know I am doing a lot of “complaining” (again, we’re just going to call it that), but it’s been a rough year for me! Every since I moved to the Midwest area last December, I see people out here are mostly all talk and no walk, and it irritates me. The clients, the fuck buddies, random meetings with guys here and there.

 

Over the past 14 days, I’ve answered about 20 appointment requests between texts and emails on the 3 sites I advertise on. Not a single one turned out to be serious. Either a cancel, or a no responder, or someone being childish. It gets to a point where you start to lose yourself, and lose touch with reality. I ask myself why do I even waste my time having “available now” or even looking at my phone in these circumstances. Fortunately I finally have someone booked in tomorrow, and I made sure I got a deposit because the others never come thru.

 

That’s why next month I’m planning to leave and make my way to San Francisco and Seattle. Get away from all the repressed gay Bible Belt mentality, and hopefully clear my mind and open my horizons to new things.

 

 

That said, I still won’t be wasting no more of my time answering messages that don’t follow directions. That’s pretty much going to be standard everywhere going forward.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Mocha

[Pulgasari1991]

I already have an assistant who screens my calls

Meaning, without him/her you'd have to read even more messages? Or, how does that work?

[jjkrkwood]

Demonstrating anger, hostility and rage never HELPED anyones business...…. CASE IN POINT !

[opentoideas]

You seem to really hate your potential clients

[jjkrkwood]

You seem to really hate your potential clients

 

 

Imagine hiring an escort, who Already has a chip on his shoulder before he arrives to you.... That cant go well ! (unless he's an Oscar winning actor)

[Chad Constantine]

Meaning, without him/her you'd have to read even more messages? Or, how does that work?

 

I am glad I am not the only one that is lost. Do people talk to hot upscale waiters differently? Do you give your orders to the chef while the waiter sits down and talks to you like family? In my experience you talk to them like he is being talked to now. Plus, he is texting who writes out full sentences while texting unless your like 70s+.

 

Maybe I am wrong but were you not recently posting that you loved the bible belt? In all honesty you really should probably start thinking of becoming one of these twitter thots that just collects money on cashapp from posting 30 sec vids on twitter, having a onlyfans page, a premium snapshot, and selling their used underwear. If not that then at least fire your trash assistant and hire @OliverSaks because he doesnt seem to be doing that great of a job screening your calls if your losing yourself within 14 days because of 20 no shows that your hunting down to collect cancellation fees from.

[jjkrkwood]

I suspect that the OP will find the same situation and client behavior no matter what state he goes to. The problem is his "attitude" and prospective clients sense it. So a change of scenery without a change of attitude is completely fruitless. Noone wants to deal with an "angry" person..... no matter what the reasons are for that anger. If you want to be in a service oriented business, suck it up and deal with it, or get out. It is unfair to subject "prospects" to your anger issues and Diva behavior.

[Mocha]

I am glad I am not the only one that is lost. Do people talk to hot upscale waiters differently? Do you give your orders to the chef while the waiter sits down and talks to you like family? In my experience you talk to them like he is being talked to now. Plus, he is texting who writes out full sentences while texting unless your like 70s+.

 

Maybe I am wrong but were you not recently posting that you loved the bible belt? In all honesty you really should probably start thinking of becoming one of these twitter thots that just collects money on cashapp from posting 30 sec vids on twitter, having a onlyfans page, a premium snapshot, and selling their used underwear. If not that then at least fire your trash assistant and hire @OliverSaks because he doesnt seem to be doing that great of a job screening your calls if your losing yourself within 14 days because of 20 no shows that your hunting down to collect cancellation fees from.

 

Ok now you’re talking out of your behind. Show me where I posted that I loved the Bible Belt. If you’re going to quote something I say, you better have something to back it up. Because I’ve already shown receipts.

 

And you sound ridiculous. Twitter thots? Are you even in the business? There’s plenty of people on Twitter who use it for marketing and other uses that actually bring real life clients. If you don’t know that, then you are at a loss.

 

 

Plus, he is texting who writes out full sentences while texting unless your like 70s+.

 

That right there goes to prove what I was saying. You don’t even know how to spell or write a sentence either. And only people in their 70s write out full sentences? No. I’ve had 24 year olds write out complete sentences. I’m not asking for a long drawn out form mail, just something simple and basic that takes the guess work out of figuring out who someone is (not that I can’t figure it out on my own, but I want them to have the courtesy of volunteering it). You can literally do it in 160 characters or less. People have been doing it for years, and I’ve been meeting plenty of people who have been doing it for years.

 

The fact I’ve had several people reaching out who haven’t ended up meeting in person is not an indication of not screening my calls. Unless you’ve been living under a rock, people are going to contact people regardless whether you screen or not. They do it grindr, they did it on Craigslist, and they do it now with escort ads. That’s nothing to do with me.

 

I answer all of my own texts and calls, they don’t go to anyone but me. What my assistant does, is not something I need to broadcast. But regardless, I’m definitely not going to have Oliver Saks screening all my calls. I don’t even know him, why would I pass my client contacts to him? You and him both need have several seats and stop trying to be so damn condescending and judgmental.

[Trick]

 

Thanks, but no thanks. I already have an assistant who screens my calls.

 

 

 

I answer all of my own texts and calls, they don’t go to anyone but me. What my assistant does, is not something I need to broadcast.

 

 

@Mocha I told you that I am not here to attack you but to only call you out on inconsistencies in your postings. Here is one of them. Is your assistant screening your calls or do all your calls go to no one but you?

[jjkrkwood]

@Mocha I told you that I am not here to attack you but to only call you out on inconsistencies in your postings. Here is one of them. Is your assistant screening your calls or do all your calls go to no one but you?

 

That really is NOT the issue here. The OP is in a service oriented business, where IMO 50% is calls and questions and the other 50% is the actual service. In any business, customer service is tantamount to actual performance... The OP wants people to just throw their money at him with NO prelim time spent on "wooing the client"..... I doubt a savvy client will play that game, especially with so many fakes and frauds out there these days. ?

[Mocha]

@Mocha I told you that I am not here to attack you but to only call you out on inconsistencies in your postings. Here is one of them. Is your assistant screening your calls or do all your calls go to no one but you?

 

I answered that question already.

 

I’m also not going to make this a thread about screening calls because all it’s doing is avoiding the original issue all together. I have no trouble screening calls, and @OliverSaks shouldn’t be trying to insinuate that it’s the reason people skip common sense.

[Trick]

That really is NOT the issue here. The OP is in a service oriented business, where IMO 50% is calls and questions and the other 50% is the actual service. In any business, customer service is tantamount to actual performance... The OP wants people to just throw their money at him with NO prelim time spent on "wooing the client"..... I doubt a savvy client will play that game, especially with so many fakes and frauds out there these days. ?

 

After the back and forth with the OP in his numerous posts here on the forum, I’ve given up trying to make him see my point from the client’s perspective. He can conduct his business however he wants to.

 

I did tell him however that I will point out inconsistencies in his posts.

[jjkrkwood]

After the back and forth with the OP in his numerous posts here on the forum, I’ve given up trying to make him see my point from the client’s perspective. He can conduct his business however he wants to.

 

I did tell him however that I will point out inconsistencies in his posts.

 

Agreed, he has me blocked, but I still read his comments to see if there is ever a glimmer of change or self-realization.... But you are right, it's hopeless. The OP is a one-way street to a dead end....

[Geriatric Otter]

Mocha. I think that you’re prescreening by what you post. I’m pretty sure that anyone who follows the Forum would never considering wanting to meet you, much less pay for your time. You seem to have descending into a negative, Trumpian world.

[Mocha]

Mocha. I think that you’re prescreening by what you post. I’m pretty sure that anyone who follows the Forum would never considering wanting to meet you, much less pay for your time. You seem to have descending into a negative, Trumpian world.

 

Geriatric Otter: The world is bigger than this forum, in case you didn’t know. I had about 30 clients on my last tour, not one of them mentioned the forum. That said, there have already been several people from the forum who’ve I’ve met and paid for my time.

 

How many have you had do the same? I wouldn’t want to meet you considering you have to use critical insults in order to fuel a dislike towards my character that you have never met. Ask anybody who attended Palm Springs 2019 if they had a problem with me, and maybe you won’t have to resort to such underhanded attacks.

 

Listen: agree or disagree but I won’t be insulted here. If anything I’ll keep harping on the same thing until atleast 1 agrees with me. I’m not here to please the masses. I’m already well aware that some posters here prefer to keep the forum as White as possible, almost like a storm front for gay men who hire. You not going to run me away thru intimidation or fear.

 

 

The only ones who can make me leave are moderators. And if at any point they decide to do so, only then will I accept it and move one. If you can’t say anything nice or uplifting to me, then you need to practice what you preach.