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“Many repeat buyers hang out on hobby boards — the equivalent of Yelp for commercial sex — where men discuss and rate “providers.” Lieutenant Sharpe said that his team members also hang out in these forums; one strategy is to post many “reviews” of a decoy number to drive it to the top of the list.”

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Per the tone of the article, it sounds like these are being utilized as campaigns THUS FAR, and no real arrests have been made per the replies to the bots. It is an effort to spook buyers, mass warn against buying, and break up sex trafficking rings. They also seem to be targeting underage sex trafficking, and no mention of anything gay in the article. It was speaking of female sex workers only. Nonetheless, still alarming and very interesting read.

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No mention of gay male escorts in article. That would be a harder sting to operate. Getting police officers to pretend to be gay escorts, and pretend to solicit sex from other men. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that. They may go after escorts, but I haven’t seen them targeting clients.

 

They’re targeting buyers, not escorts. We’d end up in diversion court for counseling. You’d end up in jail. And the cops aren’t “pretending” — this is all the work of AI. The bot isn’t targeting providers, it’s targeting their admirers.

 

“Offering to pay or paying someone for sexual conduct is a crime and punishable by incarceration up to 7 years. “

 

“While prostitution is still illegal almost everywhere in the United States, the police are increasingly arresting only buyers. For people engaged in prostitution, the most progressive law enforcement agencies offer social services such as shelter, job training and substance abuse treatment. Even if they haven’t been forced into it, they have still chosen a dangerous and unpleasant vocation as the best of their bad options — which means they need more options. (The New York police still make arrests for prostitution, but the numbers have dropped substantially, and most of those arrested go to special diversion courts that give people suspended sentences to receive services like counseling and drug treatment instead of jail.)“

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Slightly hijacking your thread...

 

There was an escort in Miami (around 2006ish) who would call other working boys impersonating a police officer and warning them to stop advertising online. I guess it was something like "shock and awe", eventually the other guys would pick up the phone again.

 

For the record several guys are cautious when they go to Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area because law enforcement and laws in general are harder than in other big cities. Florida!

 

No mention of gay male escorts in article. That would be a harder sting to operate. Getting police officers to pretend to be gay escorts, and pretend to solicit sex from other men. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that. They may go after escorts, but I haven’t seen them targeting clients.

 

Good point! As if they don't have enough guys texting them already and going radio silent... LOL

 

AI is here to stay!

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I assume (for what that’s worth) that there is much less law enforcement interest in male escorts and their clients. Less concern about human trafficking, etc. And perhaps an assumption that guys are more likely to be escorting by choice.

 

I do see how it would be easy to put a decoy ad on rentmen along with fake reviews. Less easy (much!) on Daddy’s for sure.

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Seems like entrapment to me:

 

Entrapment does not mean what most people think it means.

 

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/entrapment-basics-33987.html

Entrapment is a defense to criminal charges, and it's based on interaction between police officers and the defendant prior to (or during) the alleged crime. A typical entrapment scenario arises when law enforcement officers use coercion and other overbearing tactics to induce someone to commit a crime.

 

First, the defendant must be a person w/o previous inclination to commit the crime in question.

Second, the cops must use really nasty behavior to induce him to commit the crime.

The general idea is to restrain the police from pressuring otherwise law abiding folks into criminality for the purpose of arresting them.

Third, in entrapment, the burden of proof is on the defendant, not the prosecution.

 

I suggest that anyone who was influenced by false reviews on an escort site will have a hard time proving he had no prior inclination to solict prostitution. Further, no judge is going to find that posting an ad &/or false review amounts to coercion or overbearing behavior.

 

If all this strikes you as wrong, remove the issue from our hobby and think of all the truly unpleasant tactics undercover cops are allowed to engage in to suppress drug transactions.

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More of a reason to stick with and only hire guys over the age of 18 lol. But you know what, we well reviewed escorts had to start from somewhere right?

 

People need to stop applying these articles to places where they shouldn’t. People end up unnecessarily paranoid and freaked out, and they’re not understanding the differences.

 

Let’s be practical: “Freedom Signal has one chatbot that mentions that she is 15 — and men went there anyway. Mr. Beiser said that the usual rate of completing a conversation — agreeing on a specific sex act and price — is 40 to 50 percent. The underage bot’s rate is 25 to 30 percent. Men told the fake 15-year-old “fine with me,” or “I’ll treat you right,” and sent kiss emojis.”

 

They keep mentioning in the article trafficking and underaged kids. They’re simply going about it in a bad way by using the word “prostitution”, therefore throwing dirt and shame on the mere word, versus what they should be saying: you a grown ass man, yhaving underaged sex with a 15 y/o is illegal.

 

I still recall the time I went to Canada, and before I could get in. my entire laptop was went thru, along with all my pictures and ads. No charges were filed, but I was scared for months. Now: if those pictures were child pornography, or if I had a woman escort/girlfriend traveling with me...most likely I’d of gone straight under.

 

It just goes to show. Now, I can’t say every situation would be the same outcome, but for the most part as I said: this whole war on prostitution is not on prostitution itself, but for trafficking. The reason why it’s still not accepted, is because the laws are so afraid that it’ll be a license to allow more individuals to be trafficked. The United States is too big of a country to allow these to go unchecked. Therefore, they rather just outlaw it all together.

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