My Picture of Carlos Morales

[+ Lucky]

Well, it may not be a fake review, but it might as well have been written by Carlos Morales himself since you gave him complete editorial control!!! Here is your email to him:

 

Carlos,

I wrote a review for you for the hooboy site and am sending it to you now.

I hope you like it. If there is anything you don't like, just let me know

and I'll change it...

Tom

[+ Tom Isern]

I gave him control, but, to his credit, you see that HE DIDN'T TAKE IT...

 

The review stands on its own.

[VaHawk]

Sorry, but, I have to agree with Lucky!

 

A review by a paying client (I'm assuming that you paid him out of your earnings and not the client who hired you, that was "mentioned" in your "review"), who allows the escort to "edit" the review, is not serving the purpose of this review site, and when the reviewer is a "fellow escort"???, just speaks for itself, huh???

[+ Tom Isern]

VaHawk,

 

I gave Carlos that courtesy because some of the guys who have reviewed me have done the same for me and I've appreciated it very much. I doubt it's all that unusual for the reviewer to share his comments with the reviewee. But you didn't notice this:

 

The review had ALREADY been submitted when I "gave up control" to Carlos. I made the offer to be kind, but didn't really expect him to find anything objectionable in the review. Had he in fact wanted changes, I would have had to ask Daddy's permission.

[VaHawk]

>I gave Carlos that courtesy because some of the guys who have

>reviewed me have done the same for me and I've appreciated it

>very much.

 

Well, that's very gentlemanly, but how does that serve the purpose of this site again??? Whether it is you extending that privilege to Carlos or your clients extending that privilege to you???

 

>I doubt it's all that unusual for the reviewer to

>share his comments with the reviewee.

 

I have only 3 reviews on this site, despite many times that number of hires, but NO!, I for one, have NEVER "shared" or "offered to amend" my review with the escort, that I have submitted a review of, and I "hope" that is the norm!

 

But then again, WTF do I know??? Are you saying that your observation is the norm???? If so, then WTF is the point of this site again????

 

> But you didn't notice this:

>The review had ALREADY been submitted when I "gave up control"

>to Carlos. I made the offer to be kind, but didn't really

>expect him to find anything objectionable in the review. Had

>he in fact wanted changes, I would have had to ask Daddy's

>permission.

 

WHAT???? I don't understand this observation. After I, as a client have submitted a review, I was never aware that I could "amend" my observation later, per Daddy's "permission"!

 

Are you saying that escorts reviewing other escorts have this privilege??? If so, then I say FOUL!!!, as the escorts already have the right of "final rebuttal" vis-a-vis the 'escort reply' funtion on a client's review. :o

[+ deej]

>Well, that's very gentlemanly, but how does that serve the

>purpose of this site again??? Whether it is you extending

>that privilege to Carlos or your clients extending that

>privilige to you???

 

It can aid accuracy. I once had an escort post a "rebuttal" (clarification) to one of my reviews where I had used inelegant wording that could have been interpreted the wrong way. I would have gladly ammended the original wording had he asked up front, but I didn't offer him the chance.

 

>I have only 3 reviews on this site, despite many times that

>number of hires, but NO!, I for one, have NEVER "shared" or

>"offered to amend" my review with the escort, that I have

>submitted a review of, and I "hope" that is not the norm!

 

Well, we all know what a charmer and courteous citizen YOU are. ;-)

 

>WHAT???? I don't understand this observation. After I, as a

>client have submitted a review, I was never aware that I could

>"amend" my observation later, per Daddy's "permission"!

 

You can try. As with ALL input into the review process, write to [email protected]. You've been here long enough to know that. Sometimes they can be caught and changed, sometimes not. In eggregious situations, they can be changed post-publication.

 

You're just LOOKING for conspiracies to complain about here, Hawk, where there aren't any. I think it's time for you to put the foil hat back on.

[VaHawk]

Deej pipe up!!!

 

"You're just LOOKING for conspiracies to complain about here, Hawk, where there aren't any. I think it's time for you to put the foil hat back on."

 

I'm not LOOKING for anything, especially to complain about, despite your observations otherwise!!! And WHERE AGAIN????? did I say ANYTHING about conspiracies????? ELUCIDATE or STU????

 

BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!!, JUST like every one else!!!, I have the right to post my opinions and observations. UNLIKE so many others, I don't flag and call for the banishment of others because they express an opinion that differs from mine!!! x(

[+ deej]

Chill, Hawk

 

>And WHERE AGAIN?????

>did I say ANYTHING about conspiracies????? ELUCIDATE or STU!

 

I suspect you meant STFU. Those previous vacations have made you rusty with your acronyms.

 

To use your own words, from just minutes ago in this very thread:

 

Are you saying that escorts reviewing other escorts have this privilege??? If so, then I say FOUL!!!,

 

This "privilege" is available to all, and you know it damn well.

 

I think you need this:

 

http://www.dfapam.com/chill_pill.jpg

[+ Lucky]

RE: Chill, Hawk

 

Now is deej speaking to The Hawk as an administrator of this site, or just as one of the posters here? Is the advice to "chill" a warning, or just a request? Frankly I don't think The Hawk is out of line in his questions. The review is now questionable given the information provided. That doesn't mean it is not an honest and accurate review, but how often does one escort write a review of another and then offers the reviewee a chance to amend as he sees fit? And, what's the point of that?

[VaHawk]

RE: Chill, Hawk

 

I don't need either your "advice", nor your "admonitions", nor your "pills"!! Yes, I screwed up, as I meant to use SU and not STU as in "shut up", and not STFU, as in "shut the fuck up", as you posited. I am tired of the vulgarity on the internet!, and tired of vulgarity in all aspects of life!!

 

Yes, I typed STFU, but tried to amend it to shut up. SU, but I screwed up and forgot to delete the "T" when I amended the post.

 

BTW: BASH away, as I'm SO OVER you, and all the other posters on this site, and the posters on all other sites on the internet!

 

You get 5 points for "slightly" jerking my chain tonight, but take that "nickel" and bank it, cause there are no "dimes" coming your way in the future! :7

[+ deej]

RE: Chill, Hawk

 

As I said, the point is accuracy. (And as has been posted, no edits occurred.)

 

You might be surprised how many times escorts have reviewed other escorts, but few of them come out of the closet. Instead of applauding the honesty, you've got your panties in a bunch for some reason that makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

If Tom had used an anonymous reviewer handle, would you still be objecting to the review as posted? He is, after all, a first-time reviewer.

 

The only thing this whole conversation does is convince people that posting reviews isn't worth the grief. How does THAT serve the purpose of this site?

[+ Lucky]

RE: Editorial Control

 

No, the conversation also raises the questions to how accurate reviews are when the reviewer gives the escort editorial say over the review.

[+ deej]

RE: Editorial Control

 

So you want editorial control over what people submit from the privacy of their own homes?

[KY_TOP]

>Well, it may not be a fake review, but it might as well have

>been written by Carlos Morales himself since you gave him

>complete editorial control!!! Here is your email to him:

>

>Carlos,

>I wrote a review for you for the hooboy site and am sending it

>to you now.

>I hope you like it. If there is anything you don't like, just

>let me know

>and I'll change it...

>Tom

 

I also have to agree with you on this one Lucky. One of my pet peeves is reviewers that allow the escort editorial control over the review THEY are writing or in some cases even allow the escort to write the review for them. There is an escort here with multiple reviews but the reviewers have left out his rates. Some commented that the escort asked them to not list them. What good are those reviews and what else is left out? One guy listed the escorts rates but commented that the escort had asked him not to list them. That told me much about this escorts reviews.

 

The part of Tom's e-mail that stands out to me is "If there is anything you don't like, just let me know and I'll change it..." If Tom had changed the review then it wouldn't have been completely true would it?

 

Reviews should be fair, honest, and written by the reviewer, not the escort being hired.

 

Oh, and BTW, I'm still waiting for the picture Tom promised. Can't anyone help the guy out?

[KY_TOP]

>I gave Carlos that courtesy because some of the guys who have

>reviewed me have done the same for me and I've appreciated it

>very much. I doubt it's all that unusual for the reviewer to

>share his comments with the reviewee.

 

I doubt that it is that unusual that the review is shared with the escort before it is posted by Daddy. But if the reviewer allows the escort to review and change the review BEFORE it is submitted, really how legit is the review? The escort may as well write it himself and submit it and I do realize that many escorts do.

[KY_TOP]

RE: Chill, Hawk

 

>As I said, the point is accuracy. (And as has been posted, no

>edits occurred.)

>

>You might be surprised how many times escorts have reviewed

>other escorts, but few of them come out of the closet. Instead

>of applauding the honesty, you've got your panties in a bunch

>for some reason that makes absolutely no sense to me.

>

>If Tom had used an anonymous reviewer handle, would you still

>be objecting to the review as posted? He is, after all, a

>first-time reviewer.

 

My comments in this thread have more to do with the honesty and accuracy of a review if an escort has been given editorial control over a review. I know some reviews have been written by escorts in the past and remember one Talvin DeMachio wrote once and for rates wrote "exchange of services". I found that fact very humorous but honest.

 

>The only thing this whole conversation does is convince people

>that posting reviews isn't worth the grief. How does THAT

>serve the purpose of this site?

 

I would hope it would convince people to write their own reviews without the escort telling them what to add, delete, or even writing the whole thing for them. If the review isn't accurate and honest it shouldn't be posted anyway?

[KY_TOP]

>Well, we all know what a charmer and courteous citizen YOU

>are. ;-)

>

 

Yeah but he was actually being civil and trying to make a point in his agreement with Lucky. Shouldn't he be given a chance? Daddy has by letting him back in the playground.

[RockHard]

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-026.gif

[+ Tom Isern]

Guys,

 

It is ALWAYS a good idea, not simply a courtesy, to share a review with the escort concerned before posting it. This doesn't necessarily mean the review will be less accurate, it can mean that the resulting review will be less biased and sometimes even more accurate. Who is to say that the reviewer's memory is 100% accurate. And where is the threat? You, as reviewer, always have final say.

 

Hard feelings can be the result of a rush to review without sharing or communicating. Charlie and I went round and round for weeks about his review of me--he thought it was "positive"; I thought it was devastating. Thanks in part to his professionalism, patience and kindness, we worked it out. But the upheaval could have been avoided.

 

This simple courtesy can also help avoid complications and work for Daddy. For instance, the very first person who wrote a review for me accidentally mixed my real name in with Tom, back and forth, resulting in a confusing review and endangering my identity. Daddy had to go into the review, after it was posted, and correct the names.

 

I suggest that a spirit of cooperation in these matters would benefit everyone. This doesn't mean that the shits won't get the bad reviews they deserve. But if you've loved the service you got from an escort, let him see what you're writing. For Christ's sake, some of us escorts might even help with your grammar and spelling!!

[+ Lucky]

"It is ALWAYS a good idea, not simply a courtesy, to share a review with the escort concerned before posting it."

 

But now you say you didn't do that here yourself! You said that you made your empty offer to Carlos after having posted the review to daddy. That, of course, begs the question as to why you made the offer at all!

[+ Tom Isern]

Yes, Lucky, it's true: I didn't share the review with Carlos before sending it to Daddy. I suppose that makes me a big old hypocrite, huh?

 

Not really. There's a very simple reason for the inconsistency you gleefully jump upon: It was the first (and only) review I have ever written and it quite frankly didn't occur to me. It was only after I'd hit the "submit" button that I remembered how others had been kind to me and I hunted down Carlos's email address and sent it off to him immediately. Call it a growth or a learning experience.

 

Lord knows, I never expected to be grilled over the coals of bitter cross examination and have my every motive, statement, and action diagrammed and parsed.

[IceFireWizard]

RE: fake

 

>If Tom had used an anonymous reviewer handle

 

No, he didn't because he needed the extra publicity. :7

[Barry]

What? OK....I've read this 3 times and I'm still not sure I believe it.

 

>It is ALWAYS a good idea, not simply a courtesy, to share a

>review with the escort concerned before posting it. This

>doesn't necessarily mean the review will be less accurate, it

>can mean that the resulting review will be less biased and

>sometimes even more accurate.

 

From the Review submission instructions. "Review Information - Keep It To Your Experience ONLY" "...pertinent details of YOUR experience..." This is a customer's review of his experience, not a scientific analysis. It's experiencial. Two people can have sex and the experience be different for each of them. The purpose of the reviews is to read about a client's experience, not the merging of two experiences until concensus is achieved.

 

>Who is to say that the reviewer's memory is 100% accurate.

 

Who's to say the escort's is?

 

>And where is the threat? You, as reviewer, always have final say.

 

The thought of having to go "round and round for weeks" until you were satisfied with my "positive" review is threat enough. The escort not the reviewer has the final say. That policy was put in place to correct or dispute the reviewer's written version of his experience.

 

>But if you've loved the service

>you got from an escort, let him see what you're writing.

 

He will, when it's published. Just as a restaurant or broadway show or movie see their reviews when published.

 

>For Christ's sake, some of us escorts might even help with your

>grammar and spelling!!

 

Not gonna touch this one other than to suggest you give prospective clients a brief grammar/spelling test as part of your screening procedure.

 

Barry

[IceFireWizard]

>I'm assuming that you paid him out of your earnings and not the client who hired you, that was "mentioned" in your "review"

 

You're assuming wrong, VaHawk. The client paid Tom and Carlos.

[+ Tom Isern]

Okay boys, my controversial review of Carlos Morales has been called "fake"--see the "Anderson Cooper's Boyfriend" thread. Nothing riles me up more than being called a liar. So I've posted the email thread we sent back and forth--both me informing him that I'd written the review and also his reply saying thanks.

 

I'd like to post the picture I took of that delicious man/boy standing in my bathroom after I plowed his ass into the basement. Would someone please volunteer to post it? I don't have hosting capacity. Let me know and I'll email the pic to you.

 

Thanks!