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And btw Epigonos bought the pink thong for Oliver, not me. It's this weird thing between them. I'd suggest you just drop the whole thing, Boomer. It's not a particularly pretty picture.

And besides Epigonos is cheap. He'd get me a cheap pair of Hanes whities at Walmart - probably the kind Trump wears. What is sexy about that?

Happy birthday! Thanks for your passions and your insight and your commitment. Your students are lucky to have such a smart and devoted teacher. Sorry, can't resist ........................... http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/trump-we-need-brain-2.gif

Okay, that's my chance to make it about me. Sorry. When I was his age, I was in college majoring in Religion and working on getting the college to divest in South Africa. I dreamed of going to the places he's been. And I was too much in the closet to dream about wearing the clothes he wears and having sex with the guys he's had sex with. All that came 20 years later. So you have to hand it to somebody who is 5'6 and may well have been looked down on in his culture as a teenager for being a short, lean, femmy little guy, for reinventing himself based on some image he created of himself that is - well, just really fucking hot. Good for him. That's what I read between the lines with the clothes, the look, the muscles, the possible need for adoration. Not everybody has the will or perseverance to make themselves all that. Like I said, good for him Good for us. And it fits that underneath all that is some nice kid with a heart trying to make it. The hope you have is that when the youth and beauty get old they have something underneath it. That's for us to know and him to find out. Meanwhile, he has a long ride, and he will most surely enjoy it.

I know y'all think this Christian guy is hot. Whatever! But seriously. Does anybody know how I can get in touch with the teddy bear? I absolutely have to have him!

Well, geez. That sure sets the bar low. I still haven't decided what I think about Murphy's take on it. Other than that it probably has very little to do with reality. We know the murders happened, but we don't know why. Although I'll go with Lady Kockwood and what Ryan Murphy pretty much seems to say: jealousy that they get to be all that, and our loser didn't measure up. How could he, when he's competing with men like Versace and Miglin, who get to have Ricky Martin's ass in bed, or potentially build the tallest building in the world? Talk about size queen! Even Lady Kockwood would blush. Ricky Martin was quoted somewhere as saying this was meant to be a painting, not a photograph. And that's sure true. It's interesting that Murphy stayed close to facts on some minute gory details - like an onlooker who smeared Versace's blood on a print ad as a souvenir. And then he goes and makes up incredible amounts of stuff about shit we don't really know - like that Lee Miglin was a closeted queer taken down savagely by a murder boy escort. Well, maybe. I think what bothers me is that this is a throwback to the 90's in another way: the portrayal of Gays in general, and of Gay escorts in particular - basically as murderous, sick filth. The Celluloid Closet came out in 1995, a few years before the events in this series. With 20/20 hindsight, the very fact that that documentary was made signaled a change in how Gays were portrayed in Hollywood. In the last two decades there's been a golden age of "boy meets boy, and boy doesn't murder boy" fun and moving love stories. So this is kind of a throwback to the bad old days. Early in my escort career I remember going to the Castro Theater during an LGBTQ film fest to see some forgettable low budget film that was billed in the written festival summary as a sensitive portrayal of a Gay escort. The film ended up being about a psychopathic rentboy who murdered a client. At that time I think pretty much any movie made that portrayed a Gay escort showed him to be: a) a psychopathic killer, or 2) a victim of a psychopathic killer. At this particular show, the director was there to do a Q & A after the movie. So I took him on and referred to the film guide verbiage about sensitive escort and asked why he chose to portray the escort character as another pretty but totally fucked up mess. His not too clever answer was that he had nothing to do with the summary written in the guide, and he just thought it was an interesting portrayal. Whatever. I know at the time it got under my skin that being Gay was still considered bad enough, but being a Gay escort was considered by many as being pretty much Cruising material. I may be long-winded, but I swear to God in my entire whoring career I really haven't murdered a client. Or anyone. Ever. Really. So this is kind of a trip down cultural memory lane, in a time when the real world seems so much better. And since we have Ryan Murphy to thank for things like Glee and Darren Criss as Kurt's teenage dream boytoy, he sure gets a pass on this. Maybe it's even cathartic that we can look back on what used to be a pretty solid cultural stereotype and say "Not!" It is so 1990's. And by the way, I still have a DVD and a VHS player. Although don't you guys record shit? I just fast forward through the commercials. And I actually thought it was interesting, in the scene where he's driving to Miami, that Criss was singing some 90's trash song - what was it? Gloria? - and they made it sound like he couldn't carry a tune. Clearly, his Glee days are over. He's a good actor.

Happy birthday Mike! We'd all pitch in and send you a gift from America, of course. But why spread the taint?

But of course. As you always taught in the master class on Fashion And Accessorizing For Hookers: "If the shoe fits, wear it."

http://img.picturequotes.com/2/61/60039/in-youth-and-beauty-wisdom-is-but-rare-quote-1.jpg But as Lady Kockwood instructs us, 2 out of 3 ain't bad. Unless, of course, we are talking about the number of inches in my penis.

You might want to delete that post before Lady Kockwood notices it. Her Sexual Refinement 101 class teaches a very specific definition of what makes a good top. http://lakwatsero.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Coron20090604-071.jpg I'm quite sure Killian will succeed. I just don't want YOU to fail.

I think you should consult with Matt Damon about it. And it helps to have vodka along with the microscope. Getting those tiny hairs out really hurts.

His fingers ain't getting near my testicles, for sure. I mean, I'm all for hair removal. But I have to be careful just shaving them with a dull razor.

I think you are being completely unfair. You should have also disclosed that you are green, short, and you always wear a funny hat. Top or bottom, that hat and the things coming out of it can really fuck up an escort's hair.

You are correct that I did not use your words. I was in part playing off the comments I made and the words I used earlier in this thread, before you weighed in. So I'm sorry if I twisted your words. For example, you did not use the word "assholes." Probably the best thing is to simply let your words speak for themselves - which they do, quite effectively. You do seem to be saying that it is a widespread experience to be violated, disrespected, assaulted, and treated like a slab of meat - your words, not mine. No part of anything I have said was meant to disagree with either your arguments, or your feelings. I strongly agree with your arguments. In my own words, both guys that did things you described in detail were assholes. Again, "asshole" is my word, not yours. So I'm actually not sure there is any disagreement here that they were engaging in unacceptable behavior, at least not between you and me. If there is disagreement, I think it's based on what you mentioned in your first post - an inaccurate understanding of context, and the rules that apply. There is a difference between touching the cock of a stripper in a bar in Mexico where it is not only legal, but encouraged by some of the strippers, who seem to see it as a way to make money, and touching your cock in a bar in the United States, during a very different type of performance, where doing that actually puts both you and the bar at legal risk. So your distinction about this not being a sex show is completely clear. I am not trying to set up disagreement between you, Lance, me, or anyone. This touched a nerve with me, as it appears to have done with you. I saw it as an opportunity for reflection and dialogue - exactly what LatBear4Blk is up to. Funny how you can't engage in deep reflection and dialogue in Trump-sized tweets, isn't it? I still think Lance's point is excellent, and is mostly consistent with your points. In your own words, performers constantly have to put up with patrons violating their personal spaces, including what you called "assault." I think it is quite fair to use the word "assault" to describe someone grabbing someone's cock in violation of the bar's rules, the law, and common courtesy. My interpretation of what Lance was saying, which is close to his actual words, is that performers have to be kidding themselves if they don't expect this kind of behavior. I think that's actually very consistent with what you are saying - which is that this kind of bad behavior happens constantly. If there is a disagreement here, it is over what constitutes, to use Lance's exact words, "delegitimizing actual assault." Again, my reason for quoting you and Lance on this point, and adding my monologue, was not to foster disagreement. It was to foster dialogue and reflection. Because, again, I think you are actually both right, and that is the dialogue that gets to the heart of the matter. LatBear4Blk gets it, because everything he just posted is a candid and beautiful reflection on the intricacies of this topic, I think. Now that I have done a good job of writing like a lawyer and pedant, let me step back and say this. One of the reasons I really enjoy going on and on in the politics forum is that I can treat myself with the respect I deserve. I never really felt like clients were paying me thousands of dollars to go on expensive trips to hear me pontificate about Bill Clinton - even though I did. This is even more true when it's about one hour of interaction with an escort that often amounts to erotic fantasy fulfillment. I suspect that's even more true when it boils down to one minute of groping some part of a stripper's body. Most patrons in a bar are probably not focused on nuances about whether its a "sex show" or something else, let alone what the performers think about Bernie Sanders' views on health care policy. As LatBear4Blk candidly admitted, it often is about guys who are horny as hell and driven by their dick. So for me, it feels like a privilege to just go on and on about what my mind is saying, not what my dick is saying, and not have to particularly give a shit what anybody thinks. That's me giving myself the respect I deserve. And when I am in that mode, LatBear4Blk is exactly right. My first weapons of choice are often data and charts and graphs and intellect. When I am in escort mode, I actually considered one of my best weapons of choice to be my intuition. If I may be permitted a moment of Astrobabble, my birth sign is Virgo, and my rising sign is Pisces. Translated into non-babble, what that means is what you see is logic and intellect, but what runs underneath is intuition and feeling. I always considered that part of me my "secret weapon." I bring it up in this context because as Latbear4blk expresses very nicely, a lot of this comes down to feeling, intuition, subjective perception, and being able to make someone feel like you respect him - not like he is a piece of meat. That has less to do with rules, although they matter, and more to do with intuition and empathy. That's the part of this discussion that is particularly interesting to me, and why I've chimed in. To again uses Lance's exact words, the reasons why Lance and Kurtis are both right is that while it may not legally or technically be "legitimate assault," it sure as fuck feels like assault when it is happening to you. Not coincidentally, a version of this is exactly what many younger women are saying right now about Aziz Ansari: while it may not technically be assault, it sure feels like it is sexist, offensive, and disrespectful. They are not wrong. If I sum up 20 years of my life and a lot of close relationships with other escorts, porn stars, strippers, and erotic performers, a common theme in what a lot of us are looking for is respect, as well as integration and personal growth. And the way to find it has less to do with rules and logic, and more to do with intuition and feeling and empathy. Intuition and feeling and empathy is not necessarily what guys think they need when they hire an escort, let alone go to a stripper bar, a sex show, or an erotic performance. Probably they think their cock and a wad of cash is sufficient. And that is what appears to cause problems. The challenge actually is not different than the one Aziz Ansari just ran up against. It's about whether you "misread" verbal and non-verbal cues. Which is to say, are you able to be empathetic and intuitive about what is going on with the person who you are interested in - whether they are an escort or a performer or a date? I think that is the prize to be won by reflection and dialogue on this topic.

If there is any space between us, Latbear4blk, it is very small and subtle. (No pun intended. I do expect you to keep your hands off me). In response to what you wrote, which I overwhelmingly agree with, I felt like it was a good place to come in with a more serious tone about the fact that this website and the reviews and comments on it are generally about as good as it gets in making distinctions, dealing with nuances, and in general treating people with respect. The reviews generally speak for themselves. It's not rare for an asshole to post a bad review. When they come off as an asshole with an ax to grind, and the escort responds reasonably and gracefully, it actually ends up just earning more respect for the escort. While this thread was not about a bad review, it is about an asshole in a bar. Kurtis actually just demonstrated how you earn respect by responding with candor, grace, wit, and common sense. I posted the core arguments of Kurtis and Lance above for a reason. First, they are two of the most respected and classiest professionals around, with well deserved excellent reputations. Second, you could read what they both say as disagreement. Lance seems to be dismissive of the idea that this is "assault." Kurtis writes as if very few of you assholes gives any of us the respect we deserve, which is why we have to get what we need from each other. I strongly agree with both writers and both tones, based on a few decades of personal experience, as well as a lot of friendships along with the way with escorts, strippers, porn stars, and other "performers." Part of the reason I think they are both right is they are giving nuanced perspectives. I suspect describing very different types of experiences. To simplify it, my guess is a lot of this comes down to whether you are an "escort" or a "stripper." And I use "stripper" as opposed to "performer" because - as Kurtis points out - that involves nuances, too. Maninsoma is right that when you go into a "stripper" bar, especially in a place like Puerto Vallarta, there is a basic expectation that strippers are going to strip, reveal their cocks, and you are likely to have the opportunity to touch them in a very erotic way. I spent about 20 minutes one time with a stripper in Wet teasing his engorged and throbbing cock to the edge of orgasm, and playing with his precum. Maybe he enjoyed it, or maybe he just enjoyed the money I kept putting in his g string. Either way, he didn't seem like he wanted me to stop. I actually have a lot more I could say, because this thread made me reflect on my own experiences and the experiences of close friends of mine who were escorts or strippers at places like the Nob Hill Theater. But I know I'm dominating the thread already. So before I continue, I'd be interested to see if Kurtis - or any other escort - wants to weigh in on the differences between being an "escort" and being a "performer." My guess is they are very different experiences. Kurtis already alluded to the fact that patrons on cruises are more respectful than patrons at Charlies. Part of my point is that, to summarize several decades of experience, I think escorts are much more likely to get the respect they deserve than strippers are. And part of the reason why is that if you don't like to be sexually objectified, you might not want to present yourself to the public as a sex object. I'm pretty sure that most strippers like what they see when they look in a mirror, whether they are working out in a gym wearing more clothes, or stripping in a bar wearing little or no clothes. That doesn't give you the right to grab their cock - while they are working out, while they are changing in the locker room, or even when they are stripping in a bar. But the idea that they don't choose to make a living as a sex object, or that they don't enjoy it, is a bit of a stretch. In fact, the strippers who are most successful seem to be the ones who make you feel like they actually enjoy it - whether they actually do or not. So it is nuanced, and complicated.

I agree with your sentiments almost completely. But this is the one part of what you said that I will challenge. I am aware of the fact that there are things I can say that are true, in my view, but that will sound self-serving or pandering. So I have to qualify this by saying my last new review was in 2011 (#93) and the only clients who I am paid by these days are a handful I have known for over a decade, who are actually more friends than clients. So I think I can say this without sounding like I am just sucking up or grubbing for clients. What I actually most appreciate about what Kurtis wrote is that he is perfectly willing to say, in translation, "Get a clue, guys. I want to be treated with the respect I deserve." In the more than 10 years I was an active escort, this website was a godsend. It was the only place I advertised - even though it's actually free - and it more or less guaranteed that I was treated with the respect I deserve. Not only did I make a lot of money, which was the point. I did it doing something I genuinely enjoyed, and I made a bunch of friends in the process - both other escorts, and clients. There were a handful of assholes who hired me off this site. But if there were a statistical analysis or chart available, I'm pretty sure the number of assholes I encountered would be no more - and probably fewer - assholes than the typical lawyer, doctor, or other professional runs into in the course of doing their business. This is as good as it gets. Not only for this weird form of doing business, but I suspect for many forms of doing business that "normal" Straight people don't bat an eyelash at. I've told Daddy that I will be eternally grateful to him, and Hooboy - may he rest in peace - for single-handedly making my career possible, and for creating a website that allowed me to develop relationships with so many good people. None of this is meant to take away from anything Kurtis said, or to undercut the fact that he was treated with disrespect by a jerk in a bar. I have almost no experience as a stripper - I tried it once at the Campus in SF before it closed, and was friends and workout buddies with a few strippers from the Nob Hill. It does not surprise me in the least that regularly dealing with drunk or high or obnoxious assholes goes with the territory. And this is not just a problem for strippers in bars. We've certainly heard a lot about this lately from women being groped involuntarily, or raped. But even when you go to the dynamics of sex in bath houses, which is presumably grounded in consent - nobody is forced to enter a Gay bathhouse - people can be incredibly mean, obnoxious, and disrespectful. Again, I think it goes with the territory. When you are drunk or tweeking, even more so. I was incredibly defensive about sticking up for Jeffrey and Rentboy, even though I only advertised on Rentboy once, a decade ago, for a total of one week. And the two clients who hired me off my Rentboy ad, for a total of I think $400, were total disasters. One was off in space on cocaine during our hour together, and the other one was just clueless about how to communicate anything about what he was interested in doing. My point is that based on my experience, there is something about a review website with a forum that fosters debate like this that encourages informed, mature, and respectful people. And whether Rentboy or any other website is perfect or not, it is very important to have spaces that allow people like us to do what we enjoy doing safely, and respectfully. Again, none of this is meant to undercut what Kurtis is saying, because I completely agree with him. While I used a tone of sarcasm and humor in an earlier post on this thread, I actually am not really sure why so many hot guys choose to be strippers in bars, as opposed to escorts. I assume a big part of the answer is that they are Straight, and not really interested in the job requirements of a typical escort. And I'm also sure that for a stripper, it's fun to be an exhibitionist. That's certainly how my stripper buddies felt. But the venue does encourage drunk, high, and obnoxious assholes who didn't really finish out the semester on Respect 101. So my heart goes out to studs like Kurtis who are willing to put up with it. And my heart also goes out to the many really good members of this website who make it worth being a part of.

Well, I have to say I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, you were reasonable, professional, and classy. On the other hand, I still think you should have just beat the shit out of the dumb mother fucker. Of course, on top of the fact that you could have ended up in jail for breaking the law about nudity (non-consensual), that would have also put you at risk for spending the night in jail due to assault (non-consensual). That of course leads us to the whole prison gang bang scenario (non-consensual), which frankly doesn't sound anywhere near as fun as the hotel orgy among performers (consensual). This all is getting very complicated, so it's probably a good thing that you just wagged your finger at the asshole and left it at that. Thank you. My initial judgment was right. You just made me feel a whole lot better about escorts, performers, and Texas.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/31/3147959dd28dd454347b09f9bf2d0318cf08192600e6be2dc991470c94dae337.jpg Happy Birthday, Hunter. My wish is that I can be as pretty as you when I grow up. Now make a wish and blow .................. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaubHyz8OQ0

Sorry to fuck up a perfectly nice thread with charts and graphs. But this is the problem: I'm hoping that when the Millennials take over, we will actually see a renewed interest in things like rent control. That's part of the reason why things worked better for tenants than landlords in places like NYC, until the Reaganites took over and flipped everything so it just built more and more wealth for a tiny slice of rich people. As a landlord, I've practiced voluntary rent control for a long time - except with Section 8 tenants, which actually includes a version of mandatory rent control. I'd love to see rent control made the law all over the US. Sorry, but this stuff about "more experience, less stuff" is mostly bullshit. Millennials are 1) materialistic and 2) broke. The ones who are my tenants actually like living in 1000 square foot houses with back yards and gardens. I don't think they are unique. And when they have kids, that will become way more obvious.

Not only that, Lady Kockwood. Due to the fact that I have spent so much of my girlhood and the brief years of my womanhood immersed in your wisdom, and following your divine example, I know that you and I can be fine, shining moral paragons in this age of greed, depravity and political wickedness. Yes, we will have to endure 3 more years of Trump or Pence or whatever. But after that, you and I will surely lead the way out of this ethical morass, into a shining bathhouse of virtuous girl power! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLWf1PkLjw

Exactly. There's absolutely nothing to see here. At least nothing that isn't very tedious. Just move along. https://i0.wp.com/graveravens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Lap-Of-Luxury-by-Mark-Henderson5.jpg?resize=800,1068 https://i0.wp.com/badwolfblog.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/tumblr_nhn7zwl7hm1s9r2edo3_1280.jpg?resize=500,717

I tried. I really tried. I mean, it's Dane Scott's birthday. I posted a nice little faggy Glee dance video and wished him my warmiest wishes. It's supposed to be about him today. And you all know that I never, never, never try to take over threads and make them all about me. And then Lady Kockwood, my most darlingest friend and my role model, goes off about my endownment, and all I do is return her ridicule with kindness. So I have really tried. But I just have to say it. Not a one of you fuckers has ever given me the respect I deserve. I don't know about Kurtis Wolfe and his horse hung cock. But those of us who use what little God humbly gave us to earn an honest living here just get shit on all the time by you assholes. So I want my fucking industry service award. I sure as shit feel like I earned it.

Or better yet, why not just slather each other's bodies in load after load of their cum? Of course, when you overthink that one, it gets really nasty. It involves taking their dick out of their jocks. Somebody has to stroke it. The cock actually has to become erect. And then, worst of all, is that really nasty shit about ejaculating. Personally, I find the whole idea completely offensive. And very disrespectful. But that's just me. I overthink everything. Okay. I'm headed back to the politics forum to talk about moral renewal. Bye.

Why did I always get the feeling that you are into bondage, dude? Sheesh! Let's make a deal. You stay away from my cock. And I'll stay away from your cage.

Okay, just to be an asshole, I'll argue this. The real guilty parties in stripper bars are the strippers who seem to have absolutely no clue what they are doing there. The stripper bar I've spent the most time in is Wet in Puerto Vallarta, with clients. My basic inclination is actually to simply go to a bathhouse instead. I always figured, What's the point of having a nice cock in your hand if you can't actually suck it or put it inside you? But whether it's a stripper club where it's mostly Straight guys making a living, or a bathhouse where it's Gay guys actually looking for sex, the rules are the same, and they are remarkably simple. 1. No means no. 2. If you make eye contact and the other guy turns his eyes away, or you put your hand somewhere to probe and it is moved away, you are getting a message. Listen to it. Most strippers or guys in bath houses are pretty good at letting you know, quickly and non-verbally, whether or not they are interested. Then there is a category of strippers where I just can't figure it out. The ones that are the funnest are of course the ones who tease you with their cock, take their dick out, get it hard, and then goad you to go to a private where they can actually make real money. Then there is the category of guys that seem to be thinking, "I'm straight, so you can grope any part of my body, and it's cool, as long as my cock doesn't get hard and I look as completely disinterested in the process as humanly possible." Some of these guys have particular wishes which they make clear. So if your hand happens to move from their thigh or chest to their penis, they immediately move your hand to where it is actually allowed to be. If you watch the video, Kurtis seemed to do a pretty good job of this by inserting his cock back in the jock strap and wagging his finger at the guy, to indicate, "No. Don't do that." This action occurred in between the moment when Kurtis' semi-hard cock was erotically nested against Armond Rizzo's butt hole, and the moment when Kurtis was erotically embracing and kissing Armond. It is not clear to me from the video that this was a transformative moment for Kurtis, and that he will require years of therapy to recover from this horrific assault. Then there is the category of strippers who genuinely seem to feel the best way to make money is to not make eye contact and by all means make sure that you stay far enough away from the customers so that they can't actually touch your penis, or body, or insert tips in whatever clothing they happen to be wearing. The bottom line is if you can't figure this out, you probably shouldn't be working in a stripper bar. And if you can figure it out, you probably are good at getting guys to take you into a private room where they can really grope you. My one real regret about how quickly Al Franken fell is that the Leeann Tweeden story was very particular and unique. I think it offered a particularly good example to debate the nuances of what is and is not appropriate, and what the consequences of inappropriate behavior should be. That debate never really occurred because it all happened so quickly. And what really put the nails in Franken's coffin were all the other women who were just regular old folks who had every right to not want to be groped by Franken. What was interesting about Tweeden is that she was a paid lingerie model for sites like Fredericks of Hollywood, and she appeared almost nude on the cover of semi-porn magazines wearing exactly the kinds of things that a stripper in a stripper bar would wear if she wanted you to be excited by her big breasts or her carefully shaved pussy, and tip her generously. Clearly, Franken's "humor," good or bad, played off her image as a sex kitten. I was 100 % on Tweeden's side, and I think what Tweeden described made the rules incredibly clear. While Franken may have gotten the idea that it would be fun to stick his tongue down her throat, and I can completely understand his desire to do that, it really did boil down to, "No means no." Tweeden made that incredibly clear - assuming she told the truth - and yet Franken came back at her again and pushed the limit with that stupid photo. An equivalent action would be if the guy who "assaulted" Kurtis Wolfe's cock in that video then came back for more, for example if he had a friend take a cell phone photo of him and Kurtis and he again groped Kurtis' poor, abused cock while the photo was being taken. Clearly, there should be some kind of industry service award for Kurtis' horse hung specimen of male beauty, given all the difficulties it has been put through. Of course, my understanding is that Kurtis Wolfe is no Leeann Tweeden. He is not a cry baby. He comes from Texas. So he probably would have done what real men do, and just beat the shit out of the dumb mother fucker.