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Wow… Franz Joseph & Empress Elizabeth~ …that’s some amazing slice of history your grandmother witnessed~!

Yes please… I think you would~ (while I am still wearing it~!!!)

I get what people are saying about the rainbow stigma… but the monochromatic black just seems lifeless and sterile~ It disappears when you make it a marketing tool~ Needs some color~

I’m pretty sure that’s what happens to all of us eventually~ 😳

Something like this but cleaned up… with infinity sign in orange and red w/ black border & the “m” black with grey border~ Maybe enlarge the inner dollar symbol to overlap the “C”

Like this but make the “M” longer and interweave it into the infinity symbol to make the dollar sign~ …and add a border to the infinity symbol~

I like that you can make a logo/monogram out of it~ Maybe turn it so the arrows are up and down, (perpendicular to the horizon), to make a modified infinity symbol~ Interweave the “M” into the infinity symbol… If the infinity part is turned 45 degrees and the M remains as it is but elongated and interwoven, it makes a modified “$” symbol~

Numbers 5 and 15 are fantastic~! Well done~! I find these playful, diverse enough for tee shirts and hats etc., all black and white just seems a bit stark/sterile to me… the color is vibrant and

My great aunt was my adult mentor and example… She was born Feb 12th 1901~ She passed away in 2000. Does that count~?🤔

Is what you are meaning to say is, that is not normal/typical for you perhaps~? There is a difference between what is normal between one person and another~

Yum… Try that with Sumac Syrup on top~ It’s tart and sweet… goes nicely with the strawberry and gives zest to the miso~ Maybe a drizzle of thick, aged tangerine balsamic~

This recipe Sounds disgusting and actually is…

Of the two above, neither really do it for me, in part because it’s it a picture and I don’t really know anything about them as people. That makes a big difference to me in sexual attraction~ On my “let’s make babies” list are these: (they all have something in common: compassion, humor, complexity, intelligence and an inner innocence/playfulness… those qualities are erotic to me). I like/lust for them in no particular order: (I’m also attracted to them whether young or old). 1). Elizabeth Taylor - I’d be fwb with her. Not marriage material. 2). Sophia Loren - I want babies with her. Wife material. Definitely babies together. lots of them~ Cary Grant could be the kids uncle~ 3). Cary Grant - fwb & babies: long term dating but not a husband. 4). Quyanh Trang - babies and romantic love with her… Wife material. She sings this song and I melt. https://youtu.be/20ufebbTowM 5). My mom - genuine, fun, funny, classy, honest, intelligent, gentle~ I’m not looking at her lustfully like I wanna have sex with her but, if she wasn’t my mom and I was to meet her I would probably fall in love because she poses qualities I’m attracted to emotionally and physically. 6). James Garner - bf & babies~ Husband 7). Cary Grant again - I am attracted this guy… So, maybe sex and dating and then we remain life long friends and still have sex but are not dating~ 8). Yvonne De Carlo - fwb dating life long friend. 9). Jovi - the male love of my life. Brilliant chemist, silly boy, instant love relationship with him. Died at age 36~ Miss him every day. 10). My mom again - it’s just a fun picture of her. I’m proud of my mom… she was 66yrs old there~ 11). Jovi again - still hot for Jovi~ Such a silly Fucker he was~ 12). Still in love romantically and physically with my GF of 14yrs. She is the female love of my life. Our lives are on separate paths but, we are still very much connected and I feel for her still what I felt for year when we were physically together~ She is not pictured here~

Personally, sexual attraction for me isn’t limited or detailed by age, genitalia, clothing or ethnicity… it’s actually based more on personality and character~ I’ve seen males and females and those who identify as neither or both and found myself attracted to them but, that doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m sexually attracted to them. Sexual attraction for me is more than that outward appearance or genderI’ve seen males and females and those who identify as neither or both and found myself attracted to them but, that doesn’t necessarily mean that I’m sexually attracted to them. Sexual attraction for me is more than that outward appearance or gender. It’s a bit of an assumption asserting that testosterone levels is what determines what gender one is sexually attracted to~ Are you saying that there is no personal discrimination between who you find attractive and who you don’t~? …that since you enough have adequate testosterone you choose males~? If that were true, it would follow that you are attracted to all males because you have adequate testosterone. I suspect that it is more than testosterone that makes you attracted to males and not all males but, more some than others. Is this true~?

I think I’m starting to see an ongoing theme in this thread and it’s something like: self identity vs biological potential. (This is not completely precise but, the words I have for it at the moment). It seems that when self identifying as gay (in respect to sexuality), is important to a person, their responses support the importance of that for them and they lean towards BTW theory~ When sexually identity is not the main importance of how an individual defines self, (gender identity is different than sexual preference and sexual orientation), the responses are less likely to support “born this way” theory~ So, maybe it might be helpful to reflect on what’s important to one’s self and evaluate what the various terms one’s self is using to communicate ideas in the topic. Sexual identity is different than sexual orientation… and those are different from gender identity and gender orientation… and those are different than biological sexuality and biological gender, (etc.,)… and those are different in the social context than they are in the political and biological context~ It might help to clarify what these things are in our own understandings and Improve upon the accuracy of that understanding before using the words in concept casually in an inaccurate way that might potentiate misunderstanding. It seems that sometimes people are saying similar or the same thing but, there is a condition of semantics that becomes more important than the truth of the topics at hand.

That’s a very good point… It might also clarify some things if you explained what your definition of gay lifestyle, being gay and homosexuality and sexuality are~

Born this Way theory is problematic in that people’s understanding of what that means is not just an understanding of the genetics behind a concept like that but, perhaps more so the politicized context in which it’s often used. There have been numbers of generations where homosexuality was unacceptable… It would seem that during times when it is acceptable, (even marginally acceptable), you would be able to trace genetically where homosexuality came from in some family lineage… you would be able to determine whether it’s a maternal or paternal gene that’s being passed on and whether it’s dominant or recessive and what determines that being exhibited within an individual. The picture is clearer in cases of Klinefelters, XYY syndrome or possibly something like acromegaly… (Maybe even the way alcoholism can permanently alter genetics that shows up in progeny), etc., there are instances where genes are more apt to be expressed when under unusual environmental conditions… sickle cell anemia would be an example of that. It is actually a natural mutation that occurred in response to malaria~ The person that has it is affected by other things besides malaria. Being homosexual (whether in the literal sense or having traits viewed as homosexual by non homosexuals), hasn’t always been acceptable in societies~ I’m sure there’s people out there that use the born this way card in their self defense without ever really knowing they actually were born that way~ There is conflict when people use the concept and terms incorrectly, (Not necessarily meaning out of context but, rather incorrectly in the sense of in an inaccurate way).

The whole genetic thing can be very complex… There are organisms out there that change sex either within their own lifetime or through generations depending on their environments ability to sustain them for through any particular form of reproduction. They may in their lifetime change from being male to female, (or visa versa), or becoming hermaphroditic or when there’s not enough food they pump out more males than females and when there’s an abundance of resources they pump out more females than males… It wouldn’t be too bizarre to consider that even amongst human beings, some part of homosexuality, heterosexuality, fluid sexuality, asexuality etc., might be based on similar circumstances~ There’s a danger to accuracy when we try to lump everybody in every situation into categories that have generic/homogenized criteria when the reality of it all is more complex~

Trench buddies of WW2~

It seems that is where some of the confusion is coming from in this thread, (and thus also outside of it): Life style being a different thing than orientation and in addition, innate potential of attraction acted on and nurtured over time… ie. If left alone without current cultural norms and preconceptions: would human beings have any particular preference on and individual to individual bases… and if so, would it remain constant or variable through life~?

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ I can almost smell that puppies breath~ Bailey is so gentle and intuitive with handling the puppy~

My impression and experience is similar… The majority of my clientele are “straight identifying” with families and kids. They are not immersed in the gay community and they don’t want to have a husband/wife or live their life with a man or another woman necessarily… They love and enjoy their kids and their families but, societal norms and sometimes laws and/or religion don’t allow that personal expression~ There’s not really always a venue that is acceptable/safe/legal/ for sexually fluid individuals to have buddy sex with a memeber of the same sex . Being an openly Sexually fluid people can sometimes be difficult because “straight” people wanna categorize you as “gay” and “gay” people wanna categorize you “gay”… both sides can find it threatening, intimidating and uncomfortable. It’s almost as if the less sexually fluid people want the fluid person to choose side because it’s important to them somehow, even though it might not be important to the individual they are insisting choose. It can be similar if you have a mixed heritage… I think there’s be a certain percentage of people who end up not fitting into any particular group because they’re neither white, black, asian or Indigenous enough but a combination of those groups. I have also seen where people have an ethnic look but they were born someplace else and culturally they are very different… If they go back to some country that is clearly part of their ethnic background, their own ethnic group has prejudice and discrimination against them because they’re culturally different. If I put this in the sexual terms… I could suggest example of somebody who may be effeminate or hyper masculine but their gender isn’t what others typically associate with those types of personal characteristics. So, they get labeled and miss classified because the people around them are not willing to view them for who they are as individuals with their own identity, worth and value. It seems like often if you make a choice to sleep with somebody of your own sex and then do that for a while there’s no going back because society generally isn’t easily excepting of that. I know people whose sexual choices have changed throughout their lifetime… Moving from same-sex relationships to other sex relationships. Any number of things can influence that: surgery, a sick or dying spouse, a dead spouse, work, religious affinity, political affinity, simple desire… Meeting somebody who becomes a really great friend and at some point in time maybe you just want to share your affection for the person in a physical way. There’s all kinds of examples. The level of acceptance by any particular community of people who can identify with multiple groups and be marginalized because, they are still seen as different from all of them… White but, Not white enough… Black but, not black enough… Cinnamon but, not Cinnamon enough… Indigenous but, not indigenous enough… Yellow but, not yellow enough… Gay but, not gay enough… Straight but, not straight enough… If they claim their own unique identity, it separates them from the very groups that they are actually part of but, not part of enough to be completely excepted… there’s always just enough to make a part of the group but that little something that makes you different and on the fringes. You end up belonging but, not belonging to any number of particular groups. Since I talk to a lot of people who are straight identifying and/or sexually fluid… (as well people who are straight and not sexually fluid…), many have still had sex with members of their own sex at some point in their life. Sometimes it is more prevalent in one culture than another and at different points in history but, I think still prevalent over all. It’s something kept private. It may be more accurate to simply say that people are born sexual… They’re born that way. I do understand that the labels were necessary at different points in time in order to protect and make safe the world for people who did not fit the norm for whatever reason. It’s not practical to go into a quart room to present or change a law when the argument becomes: “this group that is identical to all others wants to have the rights, freedoms and safety exactly like this other group of people they are identical to~“ The labels have different intention then~ Nature/nurture is probably closer to a reality then everybody being born a certain way. Most living things are born sexual in one way or another and within some species some individuals are affected by their circumstances and experiences in life and choices that affect how they are sexual~