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He is off the list

He is off the list

Yea $180 therapeutic too much . Better $60 at utopia

I can go 2-3 weeks before I want a massage; at that point, I feel I want to be touched, and just whacking off to porn just won't do the trick; and sometimes I have this internal debate--do I want a massage or do I want an escort? oftentimes, I'll prefer the massage with MT and HE.

I think that's my problem. I found a great one, and I'm crushing like a girl in middle school. LOL

That's what I was thinking. He's probably an excellent masseur, and probably provides an experience that I will remember longer than that of most other masseurs. We willingly pay $150/hour, so why not just skip another massage one week, and pay $250 for Jay Anthony? That would probably be a wise decision.

This time the pictures are from a guy who has 260,000 followers on Instagram. At least he is Spanish it seems. I could not find much more in a short lookup time, would have to go deep, his name is unfortunately quite common.

I agree I had the similar experience and only went once !!

My experience with him was: kinda effeminate, vaguely creepy, not a good massage, yes he was nude, not a big tool. I know this statement may cause a fuss amongst his supporters, but hey guys I’m speaking of MY experience, ok? Ya’ll may feel differently.

Most masseurs meet 5-6 guys a day especially if they go beyond massage, they are not going to cum for 5 guys, may be the last guy if he is lucky and the masseur is horny, if they cum for the first guy they cant make no money , I

Anyone tried this guy ?
 
 
 
https://rentmen.eu/Greattom

He's been around forever. Was a very horny guy. The ad may say 50, but he's definitely over 60. His cock is huge. Have no idea if it still works.

Any new latin masseurs ?hung erotic?

Is it because the quality is going down, or the "mystery" is gone? As much as I enjoy some, I think there's nothing like having a new guy, not sure what he's going to do next.

Looks like a 6 inchet

I have found that guys who label themselves Versatile/Bottom when the times come to it are only a bottom unless you put a gun to their head. I would suggest either just put Versatile and be versatile or just put Bottom and love bottoming.

Didn't listen to my peers and paid the price. Marco is a nice guy, and it was nice feeling his hands sliding over me, but the massage was not of the professional level that I like, especially for the price. His body so little resembled the pictures that, given the limited view of his face in them, I honestly couldn't say they were of him. I don't think they are.
 
His ad is headed, in bold, "Super Erotic Massage done in the nude." This is, unfortunately, false advertising. He started and remained, for what I could tell (since he kept everything except his hands away from me until I turned over), fully clothed for most of the massage. At some point, he took off his shorts and shirt, but never his underwear. He provided HE, but that is the part of erotic massage that least interests me.
 
Really disappointing

Holy God!
Are we ever going to move on to actual experiences with new guys rather than the same handful (no pun intended) that have been discussed in now 13 pages of this??

I really get turned on by slow, sensual, unexpected body contact. Which is why I really like when a ‘legit’ massage turns unexpectedly sensual or sexual. The thrill is much greater than when it happens at a reliable m4m massage ‘spa’.
 
That being said, I’ve been trying something new. With great success. Slowly initiating intimate contact with strangers, who I happen to be sitting close to.
 
I first tried this on an airplane. I was sitting next to a guy who was very friendly and talkative. He was very muscular. In fact, after talking, I learned he was an ex-MMA fighter. He bought me a drink.
 
After a couple hours, he fell asleep, so I pretended to do the same. He had his tray down, I lowered mine. I let my leg rest up against his. I hand my hand on my knee and I would occasionally rub my. Knee and let my hand rub up against his leg. I moved my bare arm up against his bare arm. At first he would adjust himself, to give me more room. But, I’d end up up against him. After awhile we stayed touching. I moved my hand onto his leg. After a couple minutes he woke up and looked at my hand on his leg. He looked at me. I pretended to still be asleep, with my eyes barely cracked. He placed a blanket over the both of us and closed his eyes. I began to rub the inside of his leg and could feel him get hard. His dick pressing against my arm.
 
Once the flight got closer to landing, we woke up, put our tray tables up and prepared for landing. The guy, to my surprise, mentioned our touching. He said something like, “if we had more time, we could’ve cuddled longer.” The guy next to us looked over in surprise. LOL.
 
Since then, I’ve tried this at least three more times: again on a plane with a young guy in his early 20s (actually went down his pants after he asked me for $$$), at a business class lounge before a flight, and in a movie theater.
 
The key is slow and unassuming. I think most people like being touched, even straight men.
 
Thoughts on this, guys? I’ll post the other scenarios soon if you’d like me to.

My RM profile doesn't contain photos, but the name suggests body type and indicates that I'm of color, as does the text that describes what I'm looking for. I can only guess that to be the reason for the strange response, but irrespective of the reason, Conner's conduct exhibited unprofessionalism and plain old lack of manners.
 
Some escorts are true courtesans and treat all clients (prospective and consummated) well because they view this as their job or profession. Others may do so just because they're classy and respectful in all of their dealings, even if they view escorting as a fleeting side gig. Men of such character are hard to find in general, so when I find a good escort, I try to maintain that relationship. I'm grateful to the great guys I've found in this business who've enriched my life, as all good sex workers do.

This post is problematic, particularly in the context of m4m massage. What the linked article designates as "enthusiastic consent" may be the ideal for some people--particularly in non-remunerative kinds of sexual exchange (which m4m massage isn't)--but it is not only wrongheaded but a refusal to engage in dialogue to call all other kinds of sexual exchange "wrong" and any form of consent that doesn't involve detailed questions and answers about all aspects of the encounter "coercion," "intimidation," and "assault."
 
 
One thing that strikes me here (and, honestly, in many of the threads on this forum) is the implicit condemnation of providers and expressions of perceived superiority by many of the clients who post. I've heard just as many complaints from masseurs about clients who grab their dicks or expect sex when that is not agreed to or advertised, as well as clients who don't show up, show up late, or refuse to pay the agreed upon price. Many clients who post on this site gleefully describe what they get away with or how they got escort service for the price of a massage. The disjuncture between the acceptance of these behaviors and attitudes on the behalf of clients and the outrage-more-than-outrage (calling for an unnamed masseur to be publicly shamed, to have his business ruined, even to be reported to the police) suggests a denial about the actual power dynamic at work in m4m massage and the sense of entitlement many of us bring to the scene. It’s not to say that masseurs are angels or victims; they’re people and workers who are more or less good at their jobs. We clients are the ones, however, holding the purse; the ones who get to scroll through pages of (usually younger and better-looking than us) possible masseurs and select the one who suits our fancy; the ones who get to say, "I want this and this kind of intimacy but not that kind or that kind" (Masseurs only have the right of refusal); and the ones who feel free to go on this public forum and ridicule masseurs in every possible way. It all smells of the classic disrespect (to use the mildest word possible) for those who provide the body and sex work that is so valuable to all of us.
 
I've tried to stick to the post that originated this conversation in my comments. That post does not describe a person with a history of abuse (although there might be) that made him vulnerable in particular ways. It does not describe an incident of drugging ("Massage bliss" does not deprive a person of the power to consent). It does not describe being physically overpowered or a fear of being physically overpowered. It does not describe a masseur who ignored an expression of lack of consent (“no means no”). Most of all it DOES describe a context in which a sexual encounter (erotic massage) was requested and agreed to. It describes a masseur who did any number of acts that pleased the client which, apparently, were not cleared in advance (and which were they to be non-consensual, would be sexual assault). The post suggests that the non-verbal refusal of consent (turning the head to the other side) to the offer of oral sex was respected by the masseur. The non-refusal of consent in the non-verbal request to penetrate anally (the brushing of the penis against the ass, while on top of the client) was apparently taken by the masseur to mean consent. The non-refusal of consent once the penetration began was apparently taken by the masseur as affirmation of consent.
 
The value of this thread, for me, is not to trash an anonymous masseur--and especially not to trash the poster--but to discuss the m4m massage experiences we have. The initial post made me thoughtful about my expectations from men who are only in the room with me because I am paying them, about my comfort level around sex generally, and about my relationship to sexual spontaneity, including the use of condoms. Something has seemed not quite right about the perhaps majority opinion on this site that one should be clear in advance about exactly what one expected from the massage. Reading and thinking about this thread has helped me understand that my discomfort with communicating explicit requests to a masseur who has not met me and expecting him to match them is not because I'm excited by the unknown (I actually wish I could always count on certain things in an erotic massage). I think it's because it's dehumanizing to treat a masseur like someone who doesn't have their own sexuality, dignity, or moods. It's my privilege as a client to not only have a strong sense in advance of who and what I'm getting (unless their ad is misleading, in which case I can just walk away) but also to punish them economically if I'm not satisfied (by stiffing them or trashing them on a site like this). In our dehumanizing imagination of masseurs, however, we expect that, sight unseen, we are entitled to require them to do precisely this and precisely not that in the massage. It's why I try to accept the broad parameters of an erotic massage. There are minimum, generally understood things that define a massage as erotic (partial, usually total nudity), mutual touch of some kind, and contact of some sort with the clients ass/penis. Once we meet and--especially the masseur who is getting a look at me for the first time--begin to get a sense of each other, those parameters get specified. Beyond the bare minimum implied by the term "erotic," I have to accept what occurs when they do or don't respond to my signals. Too many of us feel that a couple of hundred bucks entitles us to anything with another human being.
I hope every client reading this thread and this forum understands that some erotic massages lead to fucking, which many of us, many times, desire, and that many people fuck without a condom, unless one asks otherwise. I hope every masseur reading this thread understands how attentive he needs to be to a client's signals (and lack of signals), especially regarding something as fraught as anal sex.

I agree, interesting thread.
 
I, too, have been in situations that caused me to freeze, and I'm not the freeze type. None of them were sexual, but the trauma made me think deeper about my reaction.
 
I have also been with massage therapists who wanted more sexually. When that happened, even though I was in the massage cloud, I quickly became alert and pulled words together to discuss intentions. Luckily, I had no problem controlling those situations. I'm upfront with sex talk.
 
The HE massage experience is fraught with potential danger. It's very important for the customer to know what those dangers are if he wants to protect himself.
 
Many gay guys want silence and anticipation to be part of their massage fantasy. With this type of customer, it's impossible for the MT to read someone's mind. Without direct communication, the MT could easily turn into a very horny guy looking for his own version of HE.
 
Some guys do not want to be penetrated, especially without a condom, or take cum in the mouth, so it's very important that those customers tell the naked MT about this limit. Customers who have certain don'ts usually have no difficulty voicing those particulars.
 
HE massage therapists who think it's OK to penetrate a customer without permission could very easily find their lives ruined. Not worth the risk.

By now I'm sure a number of you are familiar with sex island: https://www.sexisland.co/
 
It's this annual event where you pay a modest sum and get to spend a few days at a resort with a hundred girls who will let you do anything to them. Last year it was on a Caribbean island and this year it was in Vegas. The $4500 fee enables you to have sex with the girls so you don't have to pay extra when you get to the resort.
 
Is there a gay version of this where you get to pay a sum and spend a few days on an island sex resort full of twinks and twunks?

he up the rate to $200!! no thanks

yes massage addict . The private masseurs makes double $160-$200/hr 5-6 guys times 52 weeks over $200k year with no tax paid !!