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Were you able to find any porn of the older guy? Gman

The jury is still out on Willis. But I guess straight men going to fashions shows is only fair since I, as a gay man, don't. Gman

If my dates are right, I found some pictures on Model Mayhem from when he was 19. Then he did Sean Cody when he was 24. He had put on all that muscle in 5 years. He must have worked very hard at school. I thought he was straight. Then I found a picture at a fashion event for some gay charity or other. That doesn't mean he isn't straight, but ??‍♂️ Gman

Do you mean this guy? Gman

Thanks to everyone who answered. I didn't really think it was possible. But I wasn't 100% sure. Gman

I don't think that's what @Phil_musc meant. What he meant was the way the escort was with-not you specifically you but with a young 28 year old may not be (although we don't have any proof of this) the same as he would be with a middle-aged or older guy. Most of us on the Message Center are much older than 28. So what @Phil_musc (after he explained himself in the answer to my questions) meant is that we don't know if the experience you had with him is typical and would also hold for older guys. It might. We just don't know. And @Phil_musc was just commenting on that uncertainty. Gman

If he came to Dallas, I'd need to sell a kidney on the black market. Gman

I still have difficulty with the idea of knowingly having 'relations' with a straight guy. I recently texted with a former porn performer/ escort that I had been with. I think in his old ads he used to say he was bi. I recently asked him if he was just straight. He said yes. But he added that he had let his best friend top him a few times when he had been drunk. It still made me feel not so great about our meetings although our meetings were fine. Pat was one of the few straight guys I defInitely considered braking my no straight guys rule. I had contacted him and found him to be just as pleasant as @BabyBoomer describes. Gman

Were you able to see him? That was pretty expensive for 2009. I think my usual was around $1200 to 1300. Plus I really liked weekends. And I was often able to get a Friday to Monday for $2500. So $1600 for an overnight was expensive to me. And doubly so when you consider he was straight and probably not really into the BFE scene. I might be wronging him. Gman

I didn't go thru this. So I don't know if it's on this video, but there was, I think, a video where the producer kept offering more and more money-and Pat or Rusty mentioned having car payments. So Pat gave it up. Of course that all could have been scripted too. I was always interested in Pat-but he was reportedly straight. And while he might have been one of the few straight guys I would have hired in spite of being straight-I was never sure how 'into' it he would be-whether he'd bottom it or kiss-not to mention I think he was incredibly expensive. I think he might have been represented by Man To Man at some point. I was minorly interested in Rusty. But he pretty much only advertised as a top, and then there was him being straight. ? Gman

Just an FYI-might not matter to you. He was reportedly straight. Gman

He certainly has an interesting definition of "Muscular". Gman

I ran across a Facebook friend suggestion for a guy named Rusty Stevens. He had a link listed for a defunct Rent Masseur ad and said he had been in porn. Smut Junkies has a listing for a Rusty Stevens active from 2008 to 2011. It said he was 22 when he started. I think I have vague memories of Rusty and Pat Bateman being pals. The older guy can't be the same Rusty, right? width=334.796875pxhttps://www.dropbox.com/s/at63m70tdaq5cyv/IMG_0875.JPG?raw=1[/img] Gman

Unless it's an urban legend, the Russian Mafia supposedly has tattoos. I came up with this on a web search. Gman

@Phil_musc, from your 1st comment, it sounded to me like you had a not so great interaction with him, and were trying to come up with a reason for why @CdgCali did have a great time with him. Gman

Think about it. Gman

The keyword here may be INVESTING!! Gman

Maybe that's why he lists himself as a top-his fear of breakage. Gman

Oh I don't disagree, but I'm sure I have different reasons. I don't believe I ever hired a committed couple. But a few times I hired two escorts together. They were fine. It was me. Here you had two handsome, endowed, and athletic guys having sex. Sure it was interesting to see what sex was like for them. But being neither handsome, endowed, athletic, nor good at sex myself, it all just fed my inferiority complex. I barely had it under control when meeting one escort. With two escorts it was just too much. Gman

I'm betting you could probably do Ok with @TylerandAce. But in any case it looks like Paxton and Kellan May be singletons now. Gman

They have separate ads now that don't mention being a duo. I wonder if they broke up. Gman

Both of these ads are deleted How can you tell? Also just to be a bit of a devil's advocate, even the retired escort Alec Andrews-whom most of us thought was stunning- told me that that the photographer would be editing the stills from a recent photo shoot around the time we met. So I guess the question is how edited are they. I know I usually didn't expect the guys to look exactly like their professional shots when I met them. I figured they had probably been dieting and dehydrating for a while when those were taken. I'm sure many of us have met escorts who have talked about the post photo shoot binge. In this case I'm glad to know he's basically straight as it keeps me from feeling as sad about not being able to hire him (at least not without auctioning off a kidney on the black market). Gman

I didn't even know you had seen my bum ? NO!!!! Gman

This is why I'm not an athlete. I don't want anyone playing with my bum. Gman

How does touching their junk help them make weight? Gman