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so through all of this "crap".... do all of you men really want to still have sex? is it that uncontrollable that you go into a sexual romp "thinking everyone you have sex with is positive or has and std? ewww.....

i have done so my whole life. everyone that i hired has and is in a relationship with a woman. never a man. doesnt have sex with men. they needed money, horny and loved their cocks sucked. straighter than straight. nuff said.

studchaser. i dont quite understand your reasoning for our modern definition of straight. Gifford's "mindset" was not exclusive or a minority thought of gifford's alone. according to gifford, EVERY gay thought this way. a sort of inherent norm of the "elegants" was to only have sex with straight men. this completed and justified the mental and physical circuit of the gays so to speak. no other gay would be able to fulfill that. think of how much of a "sisterhood" of sorts this would allow towards other gay men. your friends were just that. true friends. no cat fighting, bitchy, manipulative cockblocking going on as it does today to jockey a date or a sexual romp. gays lived their lives with getting sex when needed by random men that totally fulfilled their definitions and needs of the male during sex. and went on with their lives. their "relationships" truly became relationships with their friends. looking back at my life i sort of lived this lifestyle without knowing of gifford and his ilk. it was inherent. i ran successful businesses for many years with my focus on those businesses. when i wanted sex i usually hired "straight" men as i was drawn to their mannerisms, masculinity and quite honestly their muscular bodies. sex for sex sake, shake hands and go on with my life. it worked well. i dabbled with relationships a few times. when i saw the desire of gay men to so openly want to cheat, have three ways etc, as if the partner was not good enough to fulfill the sexual needs solely of the gay i bowed out of the relationships and went on my way. im sure there were many monogamous men at the time but i as well felt that boring. i didnt want to stay home and watch t.v. on a friday night! i was in my early 30's, hot as hell and i wanted the attention that i got on a daily basis in the gay community. i felt that being true to this way of sexual life was mine and mine alone. and as long as i didnt hurt another life i was good. i understood monogamy as a parallel to a relationship...end stop. my mother was a virgin to my father till the day she died. a religious woman that went to church weekly and had faith and virtue imbedded in every facet of her life. were there some bad times in my parents relationship? sure thing. she could have left my father many times...and probably should have. but her faith and virtue towards her matrimonial vows meant something to her. a trait i highly admire still to this day. i mean if there is a revolving door of men coming and going in a committed relationship then is it a true relationship per my parents definition? i think not. what it really is is a deep friendship bonded together towards stability and security. hmmm... isnt this what our dear friend gifford was all about. stability within relationships with friends and going freely to have sex whereever and whenever for sex sake. maybe modern gay "relationships" are really more in tune with the days of old than many gays think.

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There wasnt a brothel near Stella's but the Howard Johnsons in times square next door to the Gaiety got all the action. What I like about this sort of set up as Stella's was made for the hustler to work that night. Then and there. Reason he was there in the first place. None of this internet appointments ahead of time and the escort either flakes or blows off the appointment. Man I remember the first time I went to the gaiety. must have been late 1990's or early 2000's. I was about 34 years old then. A blond muscle stud in his early 20's with boyish good look and killer charm I brought to the howard johnsons after his set. His ass was incredible and he loved it rimmed and eaten out. Moaned and groaned the whole time. Later on I found out he was none other than the famous legend mark dalton before the fame. Must have been one of his first gigs. Ah the memories!!

ive been to stella 3 times. i never got the impression of it being "rough trade" type. maybe there was some construction workers in the city that went in to make a few bucks and get a good blow job after work. not sure. but i remember there being a few pretty hot guys when i was there.

I feel the biggest issue for failure is the pure laziness of gay men to go more than 3 blocks down the road for sex. A rural county some 50-100 miles from vegas? Hah! I've seen straight men fly across the country and even around the world for a pussy. I've had gay men when I was at my absolute physical best in my early 30's, living in chicago say "well your 20 minutes from my place in the city. That's a little too far for me. I think I'll pass". Geez! For me I'd get the heeby jeebies picking from a line up of hot poor souls like they were cattle going to slaughter at a sex house. Not to mention thinking of how many other were slobbering all over them that day and passing to them god knows what. Now something along the line of Stella's in nyc years ago... count me in! Looking at gorgeous guys sitting along the outer walls waiting to get spoken to. Bring the hot stud to the bar. Talk to him. Buy him a drink and play pool before setting up a date? Perfection. I'm afraid the internet has all but ruined that from ever happening again.

I've seen him twice strictly for massage. Probably one of the best massages I've ever received. Looks like his pics. Nice man. Dont know how his escorting skills are but if they are anything like his massage skills... then I'd book him in a second.

i cant imagine "passion and deep make out sessions" being anything but mechanical or transactional unless the provider was totally into the guy he was with. think if you got paid to be with a middle ages plump woman. would you have "passion and deep make out" sessions? me thinks not.

I dont believe he ever has "taken loads" in his videos. Always condoms then the 'straight" dude fucking him moans, grunts and "cums" in the condom in John's ass. Scene flash and the top pulls out, pulls off the condom with white sticky fluid in the condom. They did this trick for years in the 1990's in gay porn. Yeah right.

That to me would be absolute perfection. To be a total good looking muscular very masculine man with a pussy. I've always wondered why so many males with a penis get boob jobs and become "women" for appearance sake yet one never hears of a male getting a vagina put on and staying a "male". If I was a total bottom I would have an addatwattome in a second! No more "hold on... gotta clean out or have smelly mistakes. And it has to feel awesome. Imagine a hot af muscular male with a baseball bat between his legs on top grunting, groaning and slamming away! Also no chance of a "little bundle of joy" in 9 months. Oh... but what do I know.

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ill never forget the porn legend of 25 years ago Gianfranco. i met him in west hollywood at a golds gym there and he muscled up quite nicely over his younger twinkish porn self. he came back to my motel room and we had quite the romp. he told me he was persian and french. his jet black wavy hair and light green eyes reminds me of this hunk. ah.... those were the days when i turned heads instead of stomachs!

he replied to me that he was in texas and will be back thursday. maybe thats why he was billed to be at the garden last wednesday but never showed. the porn awards were last weekend and Hustlaball is this weekend in las vegas. with all the hot guys im afraid he will be too busy and "the tank drained" to be much fun. oh well.

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what i found very interesting about the video was later on. sex therapists started to identify men instead of just "getting on" with other men as more a lifestyle and one way of sexuality so to speak. those that were innate were "inverts" and those that "did it on the side " living normal lives with women etc were considered "perverts". society actually had a sort of feeling sorry for the inverts and repulsion for the perverts. maybe thats why so many in the 50's and on got picked on and bullied by heterosexual men. the "straight" guys would easily go and have sex for sex sake yet knew THEY would be the ones as the perverts. hence "let me bully the innate guys so as to not lure me into a hot sex romp" and get all the bad rap. hmmmmm. very interesting. guys i would definitely watch the video. it may shed quite a bit of light on our gay culture and its norms.

my friend i think again my point was missed. my focus is not on the "straight" men who identify that way, its about the gays that would never have sex with each other. too gay for their sexual interests. thats a point of this thread. hiring "straight" men due to their inherent and perceived masculinity. that is parallel to our dear friend Giffords position of men of london in the 1930's.

You must not have watched the video early on. Gifford had lots of sex. He even said most "cunstables" kept from enforcing those laws. What he was talking about was the sexual draw from the "elegants" towards straight men's masculinity and that none of the "sisters" ever thought of having sex with each other. That's my point of my post. It wasn't loathing of ones sexuality. Just the opposite of it. To be able in those times to blatantly walk up to straight men and offer them money for sex randomly in a park is far more forward than we have now.

very interesting documentary about being gay in the 1930"s in london. around the 7 minute mark, Gifford was talking about having sex with straight men. he was asked by a "bit of trade" he paid for sex, usually being a working class man or a soldier "why dont you go home with jim, your friend? he is quite elegant." his reply sums it all up here. he said (paraphrasing) "oh dear no. we want real men. we never go home with anyone one of our own. thats like having sex with your sister". Gifford stated it would be absolutely impossible to have sex with another gay man. he wanted "the real thing or nothing". so it seems quite natural from the start of queer life that gay men were a sisterhood of sorts but only looked at straight men as masculine and attractive enough for having sex with. now yap all you want on here guys but this instinct seems to be the cornerstone for the gay ideology that so many bitter at this thought process on here call "self loathing". i for one understand Gifford's point perfectly as to the true masculinity of the straight man. hmmmm..... must have been a lot of self loathing like our friend Gifford going around in the 1930's eh?

I think on fagalicious they did a recap of him and another guy that's "straight". I might have mixed the two up. Anyways angelo is hot as blazes! His quad sweep and that ass coupled with his eyes and lips drive me bananas! I just watched a 30-40 second video from his twitter account. Nothing I heard seemed "effeminate" as in "hey bitch" or "girl"... z snap away! I believe the above post regarding his manner of speaking was to be a personal attack on his character. That's sad.

On the guy site I believe they tag him as straight. Interesting with his eyes rolling back in his head getting nailed. Gawjus body. Incredible aquamarine blue eyes and red ruby lips!

That's too bad. He is a bodybuilders bodybuilder. Some body!!

It would be so awesome to go back to the "Stella's nyc" days. Nice little bar. Pool tables that escorts could hang out together and interact at the bar with patrons and potential clients. A hefty cover charge would weed out the "gawkers" from potential meet ups and all would be happy!!

so wednesday night kicked off the after party venues in las vegas with the porn boys for the gayvn weekend. it was located at the garden. a few of the hot porn studs have ads up on rentmen. what i found so refreshing was that i met many of the "stars" out that night and each of them were as sweet as can be. no arrogance or attitude what so ever! i chatted with three in particular. after meeting, seeing each other in person and good conversation all were willing to escort for me. only one of the three i think advertises. so my point is that nothing will ever take place of the good old fashioned meet and greets. so much is learned from not only personal interaction and conversation but just human interaction. Onnes personal looks cant really be faked. personality is still paramount. none of this can be done through modern internet interactions. So kudos to the guys out there! I'm hoping the rest of the weekend will be just as eventful.