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Wow - I've never heard of this. It's like eBay for boys. There's a word for this sort of thing... I can't quite put my finger on it.
 
From the site's blog:
 


What if the attractive member who shows up looks nothing like his/her picture, do you still have to pay?

If the attractive member who shows up on the date looks nothing like the person on the profile, it is equivalent to false marketing. In such a case, politely explain that he/she looks nothing like his/her profile pictures, then politely leave without paying. At your earliest opportunity, report his/her profile to the website so we can take the appropriate action. Do not stay for the date for even 1 second or you may be obligated to pay as agreed. However, if you like the person even though he/she looks different than his/her picture, and you choose to stay for the date, then you are obligated to pay.
 
 
So if you have a dispute and choose to take your dispute to a civil court, you can always ask for a copy of the agreement made via our website. This can in fact serve as proof of a binding agreement.

Sound familiar?

It seems kinda like Rentmen except that there is a blank where the hourly rate is and the client fills it in and the escort accepts or rejects it.
 
Is America great or what !
 
 
EDIT: Update - Amazing... it's like a class reunion from Seekingarrangement including 3 guys on RM/BP right now. Never let it be said that millennials aren't marketing-savvy.

I usually count the money before putting it in my wallet folded to distinguish it from other cash. I also count it again in front of the escort after our session. For repeats I sometimes give it to them in an envelope.

Wow, this thread has been busy. I've spent the last hour getting caught up on it.
 
First and foremost, thank you MrMiniver for starting this thread. I had never heard of this site and after reading the the earlier posts I decided to sign up for it in December and try it out.
 
I have been very honest with everyone I have chatted with on the site, making it very clear that I have no intention of paying anyone an allowance just to go out with me. If that's what they're looking for, I have nothing but best wishes in their finding it, but it isn't going to be from me. On the other hand, I'm happy to pay for everything on our dates, which could end up being a cruise or even a trip overseas (I love to travel), but I'm not supporting them, unless our dates lead to a LTR.
 
I very quickly found someone who seemed interesting and we chatted for about three weeks before we finally met (I told him I couldn't meet until after the New year because of the holidays and family visiting from overseas). It's been two months now and the only thing that would make me happier would be if we could see more of each other. We are both busy and he lives near downtown LA and I live in what's called the South Bay (it took me two hours to get to his house on Valentine's Day). He's young, tall, handsome, and just as nice as can be. And he's never asked me for a dime. He struggles a bit, and I have offered to help a bit, but he's never made that a condition of our relationship.
 
I've waded through many guys on the site as the rest of you have, but, in L.A. at least, there are some out there looking for the same thing I am. Even if the current relationship ends, I count the site a success.

[uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER] It's never happened to me so I have no idea what I would do. I imagine most people wouldn't be bold enough to just say they aren't going to pay to your face. They are more likely to use tricks to get out of it (bad checks, stacks filled with ones, empty envelope, etc.), or run off (smoke break, going to the ATM, going to the bathroom, etc.) At that point there is not really much you can do and people like that generally aren't worth dealing with any longer than you have to, I would just leave. Violence or revenge will probably just come back to hurt you too in the end.

Couldn't agree more. I am the first to say I had 2 or 3 great weekends with Ryan, but yes I am going to voice my opinions as well!
And frankly it wasn't only the more than doubling the price, it also included being told which hotels he would only stay in, as at a couple of my choices, i.e. The Wynn and The Encore, he knew to many people and didn't want to be seen in that environment just to give you an idea as to what I was working with

@builder boy has been seeing the best of the best for 10+ years, and there's no shame in that...it's called generating a standard. In all honesty, after seeing him and building a rapport, even if a given escort's rates went up, I would consider it protocol to grandfather an existing client at the rates you initially saw him at, or even lower, to show some token of appreciation for their patronage and support.
 
#FACT- Builder reached out to me about connecting in Vegas a few years back, but our schedules unfortunately didn't overlap correctly and these damn airlines make it so expensive to change flights it wouldn't have made sense....but my quote to him was for many hundred LESS than when I connected with him years prior, back where he's based out of. The reasoning- A) Already have established rapport with him, have to show some appreciation and B) I know the kind of level of treatment he'd go to to entertain someone in Vegas, and it's not cheap- so I hate seeing people throw out so much $ over me, makes me blush...LOL...so I try and factor that into pricing because I know that 9 times out of 10, a guy like Builder is going to end up going over the top with dinner and accomodations anyhow.
 
I don't know how other guys work, but I'd rather shoot for less money with a KNOWN variable who has a ROLODEX of bodybuilder escorts who would positively refer him, then thinking you're gonna throw out high prices and roll around with a unicorn client and wind up having a disaster.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/l5qcubt5gbw9qa3/File%20Mar%2003%2C%206%2057%2012%20PM.jpeg?dl=0
Gman

I usually prepare some large bills for payment so it is easy to count only by eyes. I also prepare some changes for the tip. I will separate them, and say, this is for your time, this is for your kiss...

Escorts aren't clairvoyant to know if a guy will be happy after the encounter or if they're "bad hombres".
 
You have to take chances in life.
 
There was a similar thread about this subject a long time ago.
 
https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/the-case-of-the-missing-money.98009/

I usually prepare some large bills for payment so it is easy to count only by eyes. I also prepare some changes for the tip. I will separate them, and say, this is for your time, this is for your kiss...

I have asked many escorts to please count their fee to make sure it is accurate. I would look at this as a way to establish trust and to feel relieved that both sides were taken care of, rather than insulted.

One of the first escorts I met called me back after our encounter insisting I had shorted his fee. I had been sure that I had paid correctly, including a tip. The escort didn't really deserve a tip; he was aloof, very stingy with affection, and seemed in a rush to get me off so that he could end the session. Anyway, I had carefully counted his fee and tip prior to the session, and I had separated it off in my wallet by using a business card. When he called accusing me of ripping him off I checked my wallet, and the funds remaining were as I expected. It's unlikely that I made a mistake. My best guess is that this guy used the ambiguity to accuse me of shorting him, since we didn't mutually confirm the transaction. I did end up driving back into Manhattan from NJ to meet him on a corner and pay what he claimed I owed.
 
These days I present fee and tip in an obvious manner so that both I and the escort have effectively verified the count. Maybe it would spoil the mood for some, but I try to present it in a way that expresses gratitude for our time together. Mutual confirmation protects both escort and client.

Numerous reasons why he didn't respond to you. He was busy and or not available when you wanted to see him; he didn't like the vibe of your message. I always try twice then move on esp in big cities like Miami, LA or NYC way too many choices to choice from. All IMHO of course

I would not take offense, especially if a first meeting. If counting is going to happen, however, I would definitely want it to happen in front of me. My "offense taken" scenario would be if the escort counted the money outside of my presence and then claim to me I shorted them. I only say this because I am an auditor by profession and I can not help myself of auditing the escort payment before sealing it in an envelope a minimum of 3-5 times. I would have a very hard time believing I made a mistake and failed to catch my mistake after no less than 3 separate checks. Opening the sealed envelope and counting it in front of me, would add credibility to this unlikely event. If the escort went off and say, counted it behind a closed restroom door... and then came out and claimed I shorted him- I would probably say nothing, pay him his claimed missing fee... but in the back of my mind he would have blown his credibility with me and would forever in my mind be someone who "took a shot" aka stole from me-- never to be hired again!
 
So count away(preferably in my presence) if you want to... business is business.. give me a receipt if it makes you happy

I usually hand him the envelope and urge him to count it to make I didn't make a mistake. Almost no one ever has.

@JackSpar, the gag reflex is a mostly a smooth muscle response to your body's perception it is about to choke and needs to protect itself. As such, it is not under your conscience control. Some people have very sensitive gag reflexes that they never overcome. I don't know if that's you, but you need to know that possibility exists.
 
Read the two articles below. And reread them. They have some good advice.
 
Learning to deepthroat was and is a journey for me. Just like anal sex, anatomical limits exist for oral sex too. You say you have a small mouth. That likely means you have a small throat too, so you must understand your structural limits. You might never be able to deepthroat a thick penis simply because it's not possible for your jaw to open enough to comfortably accommodate deep entry. Please be realistic and accept your physical limits. It's possible to develop very serious jaw issues if you try to force it. Dislocating your TMJ, Trismus, and TMJD are no joke.
 
The best way to begin the process of teaching your body to relax its gag reflex, is for you to be comfortable and in control while you work with someone you trust and are attracted to in a session where you are not rushed, he's very patient, and you're not trying to just shove it in. You must go slowly and work your way up to it. You will gag frequently, but if you go slowly enough, your body will begin to believe it won't choke when a penis is entering your throat. You'll need to learn how to breath through your nose while throating a cock, otherwise your body will gag when it wants oxygen.
 
@WmClarke's advice works for many people. A dildo didn't work for me because it was too impersonal. For me, I needed the incentive of wanting to please the guy I was sucking. Luckily, I had a friend years ago who's girlfriend never sucked because of his size and "it was gross." After many beers one night, he learned guys give much better head usually. Over time, I practiced on his 9" and can deepthroat fairly well now. And now he's happily married to a woman who loves sucking his cock and is as good as me. Or, at least as good as I was a few years ago.
 
But, it all depends on the size, shape, and thickness. Be patient with yourself. Your body did not evolve to have large hard objects thrust repeatedly into your mouth and throat. You have to teach your body that it's ok, safe, and enjoyable.
 
Are you current on all your vaccinations? HPV is a very strong suggestion if you're sucking cocks without condoms because oral and throat cancer rates are climbing rapidly in American men because they think cocksucking is safe. The risks vary, but many STDs and STIs are very easy to catch via oral sex, especially for the bottom.
 
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/news/a35376/sex-talk-realness-deep-throating/
https://www.literotica.com/s/deep-throat

Get a dildo the same size and practice, practice, practice.
 
Lots of saliva. Don't try to start deep throating right away. Work up to it gradually and let your saliva glands kick into overdrive.
 
Take as much as you can without gagging. Take a deep breath brought your nose since your mouth is full. Then just relax and swallow, like you are eating or drinking. It will slide right down. You will probably only be able to keep it down for a second of two. Slide it out and repeat the process. Try to keep it down longer. As you get better, try sliding it up and down an inch or two while it's in your throat for a few seconds.
 
This is what worked for me. Was able to have an escort throat fuck me with his large 9" recently. I could not have done that two years ago.

Early 2000s porn star Jake Gianelli! He's become quite a handsome daddy.
 
http://www.nightcharm.com/2011/07/04/gay-porn-memories-jake-gianelli-hes-a-brick-house/
http://www.redtube.com/559807

What are you talking about? Where does this holding onto anger piece come in at? Did I say anything about holding onto anger? You not talking to me. I'm just going to hope you're not talking about me. Because I'm very happy, my health shows it, it's in my mind body and soul. I'm living well honey.
 
All I'm saying is we as escorts (or if nobody else, just me) don't have to sit back and just take everything that comes at us. There's remedies out there. No, it doesn't need to be violent or illegal or involve getting oneself into trouble. But, it doesn't need to involve being complacent and not standing up when it comes down to it.
 
The only one who is jaded angry and bitter is you against me. Do you think I'm worried about how you feel about me? Hell no. So keep your narrow minded, insecure, misrepresented, misinformed, misconstrued, closed minded, passive aggressive comments to yourself. Don't dare throw dirt on my name because I'll do the opposite of THAT.
 
Matter of fact, do the opposite of all the things you wish you could do to me: pass the cyanide and fuck me...like a boomerang, back at ya!

Yes, Jake Rose (or the person in the photos, whoever he is) is VERY hot! But I'm amazed and appalled at the lengths that clients must go to determine if they are being defrauded or not. It's sad that this "industry" is so rife with deception and fraud, and that clients must take all sorts of security measures (such as three-finger selfies) to make sure that their money and time isn't wasted on frauds.
I hire masseurs, not escorts, but I'm constantly faced with this problem, and The Spa is full of stories about wasted time and money, outing of fakers, and advice on how to spot them.
As our so-called president would say, "Sad."

It sucks when you don't receive appropriate compensation for your time and energy, but I would try not to get too worked up over $60. Get back to me when you've spent 5 hours with someone and they jump in a cab and take off while you're inside a restaurant checking on dining availability. Or when you foolishly accept a check from a first time client and it turns out to be bad. Shit happens occasionally, we live, learn and grow. Don't allow the dishonesty of a few to change how you feel about and treat others.

Karma is a bitch. Revenge is a mother fucker.
 
@JuniorNYC , this is an unfortunate situation but the solution is straight forward. Contact the client and inform of the loss. $60 thru PayPal or Google wallet or he can end up on www.nationalblacklist.com for all eternity.
 
Fuck all the philosophical bullshit. This is business. Or at the very least...something that shouldn't be allowed to go unspoken. Could have been an innocent mistake or a sinister motive. Not really sure until the situation is remedied.
 
Some of the advice re: paying for your lessons and therefore condoning such a ruthless behavior (even if that wasn't the intent) is a bit shortsighted. It's like the rape/mug victim being told: that's a lesson for not jogging at 5 am. Or wearing short shorts. Or being an escort. After all...had you not been an escort, you'd of never gotten shorted. Is that the lesson needing to be learnt? True...you do pay for lessons in life, but it shouldn't been seen as some sort of tuition because there's no gain for the loss and it's not mutually consensual.
 
You don't have to pay for shit. Teach him a lesson and Make them pay. Don't be afraid of retaliation or looking bad. Stand your ground. Being professional doesn't need to equate to having no backbone.
 
Every since I've started letting clients know I'm not with the bullshit and if they come for me the wrong way...they're going to find out the hard way...the escort life has been much more peaceful.
 
I don't give a chance to short because I'm counting the money every hour, on the hour. And both before and after.

Re: Karma: from a blog of one of my favorite Buddhist "masters" - Brad Warner, whose book "Hardcore Zen" I would highly recommend. (He spends some time on karma in the book, but here is a bit from his blog below"
 
"I've been seeing a lot of nonsense about karma regarding the recent disasters in Japan. There's a webpage going around that supposedly lists dozens of Facebook status updates saying the earthquake and tsunami were karmic retribution for the attack on Pearl Harbor. Now
is saying it was some kind of message from God. Pat Robertson has apparently learned his lesson and is keeping mum about what he thinks. 
The people who post these things about karma haven't got a clue in the world. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you cannot ever know someone else's karma. You can't even figure out your own.
 
I've often talked about how I can see karma operating in my own life. When I say that I am not referencing things like natural disasters and so-called "acts of God." I'm talking about how, when I act out of anger, angry action seems to come back to me, often from sources other than the object of my original anger. Same with greed, jealousy and all the rest. I am not talking about things like, I dunno, a bucket of soup falling on my head from a third floor window after I stole a copy of Penthouse from the newsstand or whatever. Get those kinds of ideas out of your heads, people!"
 
Annoying to get shorted, sorry it happened to you Junior, but I think ya'll could maybe think about karma in a more personally productive and less "violent" way.
 
-0S

I like it all. I love hairy guys - even REALLY hairy guys, and I used to be attracted pretty much exclusively to hairy guys. Then I began to appreciate guys who were naturally smooth. Then I began to appreciate guys who were shaved. One thing I love is a guy who is stubbly after shaving and its starting to grow out. I love a stubbly chest and/or stomach, and I'm crazy about stubbly forearms. I like shaved balls and shaved holes. And I like a dick that is shaved completely clean. And I like it when a guy has completely shaved his pubes. I also like most variations of the foregoing. One thing I can't abide is when a guy has shaved his eyebrows, although I do like it when somebody has cut notches in one or both of his eyebrows.