Dmitri

Given the very high asymptomatic rates (from 25-50%), the only people who will know they had it are those who had severe enough symptoms to notice and seek out medical help. In the USA, they will also need to be sick enough to qualify for testing since it's still limited in many areas.
 
I edited to update the asymptomatic range since it's changed some as new data comes out.

An overnight?....Breathing all over each other while asleep?....

You both read my mind. I was thinking the same thing. Probably best if the poster starts a New Thread with a heading such as " Who Are Your Recommended Masseurs In The DFW Area?" You have already tried 16 masseurs and are unhappy. You already know the bad ones. Why would you want clients to rate their unhappy experiences? That is a waste of time. Seems like you would want recommendations on the great masseurs in your area so your next massage in the DFW area is a postive one.

You both read my mind. I was thinking the same thing. Probably best if the poster starts a New Thread with a heading such as " Who Are Your Recommended Masseurs In The DFW Area?" You have already tried 16 masseurs and are unhappy. You already know the bad ones. Why would you want clients to rate their unhappy experiences? That is a waste of time. Seems like you would want recommendations on the great masseurs in your area so your next massage in the DFW area is a postive one.

Ambrosia - How Much I Feel

Men are MASSEURS--pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeZe!;)

unless LAGM meant masseuse?......
 

You’ve said it in a much nicer way than I could have. ?? Nice job, oh and I agree 100%.

Music means the world to me, and it's hard for me to see an Artist like Donna Summer in the same sentence, much less the same post, as Toni Braxton. SIgh, I guess I'm just an asshole. Don't worry, I'll be ok :-)

But the song was perfect already, particularly the 12-inch, so it should stay untouched. It's amazing how far ahead of her time that song was at the time. It wasn't disco, or it was, but it was also so much more. I wonder if she ever fully understood how influential that song was to so many later artists.

Restoring a hairline can be quite expensive:
 
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The cost of a hair transplant is highly variable and typically ranges anywhere from $4,000 to $15,000. These costs are often all out of pocket. Most insurance companies consider a hair transplant a cosmetic procedure. The cost of hair transplants is dependent on many different factors. Jan 3, 2019

Receding hairlines are not a reflection of neglect of upkeep. Male pattern hair loss is genetic, and something a person has no control over. Many 20 somethings have receding hairlines.....while I know a number of guys in their 50's/60's with a great head of hair. Hair loss is not a sign of neglect, just genetics.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

I basically made the decision I won't be seeing anyone this year. I am around too many people to take that risk. So I have not looked at massage ads so I won't get tempted.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

My deepest sympathies for you and your siblings. I have 5 siblings and our parents are both alive at 89 years old. We worry every moment for them.
 

I am starting to sense this mood in the forum also. Your experience has cemented in my mind what I felt for the last few weeks… People’s choices on how serious to take this pandemic, and on how rigorous they will handle self isolation and social distancing is relative to how close to them the COVID-19 virus has affected them.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.

Since Covid 19 is so highly contagious in the general population, I think it would be hard for a client who did develop symptoms from Covid 19 to pinpoint if they did indeed acquire it from a massage session. They might have stopped at a gas station before getting the massage and got it off the handle of the gas pump, or there could a million other places they got it before/after the massage session. This also gets tricky, since if an honest masseur as a courtesy contacts the client later to alert the client that they have now developed Covid 19 symptoms, maybe they acquired it from the client during the massage session, and not the other way around. The whole thing gets very hard to pinpoint.

Since Covid 19 is so highly contagious in the general population, I think it would be hard for a client who did develop symptoms from Covid 19 to pinpoint if they did indeed acquire it from a massage session. They might have stopped at a gas station before getting the massage and got it off the handle of the gas pump, or there could a million other places they got it before/after the massage session. This also gets tricky, since if an honest masseur as a courtesy contacts the client later to alert the client that they have now developed Covid 19 symptoms, maybe they acquired it from the client during the massage session, and not the other way around. The whole thing gets very hard to pinpoint.

Whether it is a masseur I know or a new masseur I would be interested in, the risk factor is still there. Close contact does not get any closer than massage. (except for escorts). And news reports are saying that antibody tests are kind of sketchy right now, with a substantial number of false positives, so accuracy is not totally reliable. In the beginning, if you read early threads ( Late February-Mid April) 99% of Forum members were anti-massage for fear of contracting Covid 19 and/or spreading it to others, especially the elderly. Now with the evening news showing daily stories of states "opening" , and protests of people wanting to end their lockdown, I sense the same mood starting in the Forum, of clients willing to start venturing out for a massage under certain conditions. In the past week I experienced the horror of Covid 19 up close and personal. My mother of 78 years old had a fever starting last Monday...it lasted until Wednesday when they tested her. She came back positive. She did have an underlying heart condition. She rapidly went downhill, and died yesterday, Saturday, May 2nd at 3pm. None of us (4 kids) or family were allowed in the room. She was surrounded by hospital staff (strangers) dressed in hazmat suits when she died. No one should die like that. I am shell shocked, seeing this up close happening with my own beloved Mother. No one knows how she contracted Covid 19, obviously through casual contact. After this experience, I will not get on a massage table again until there is a vaccine. It is worth the wait, in my opinion, after seeing your own Mother die from Covid 19.