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So, as someone who is truly versatile and enjoys it both ways with equal enthusiasm, am I a "fake" bottom?

I didn’t say that at all. I’m talking the act of bottoming. If you’re enjoying every minute of it when you’re bottoming then you make the list. Note, I’ve said I don’t go after tops and top/verse, nothing about versatile guys.

Yup, I'm in the same boat.

I don't like the idea of an escort that is a top in his personal life to bottom for me because, having had a boyfriend who was a real total bottom, I can see and feel the difference. Bottoms (or true vers guys) just have that particular switch in their brain that just... I can't describe it but I've begun to call it "bottom energy", because I've noticed it with all the true bottoms I've been with. It's very noticeable, it's like they get flooded with pleasure when they're getting fucked. This also drives me wild, seeing a guy lose it like that.

 

The escorts I initially hired (and this was before I had any experience with real bottoms) were tops in their personal lifes but advertised as vers. But this is actually a turn-off for me as I get pleasure from giving pleasure. The thought of someone "grinning and bearing" it... Nope.

 

I actually also know a guy who advertises as a vers/top but is a bottom most of the time in his personal life. Seems that advertising as a top just brings in more bussines.

Perfectly said! There is not like being with a TRUE bottom. A lot of guys think they are great bottoms because they "can take it." But there's a big difference between "taking" to "wanting!"

Why hint? One of the perks of paying is you don’t have to beat around the bush.

It seems like most of the chatter on the forum about Vegas is about finding reliable providers who follow through and don’t flake. Also guys have been talking about wanting more that just straight guys who want to be worshipped but aren’t really interactive or sexual.

 

Or maybe that’s just me. Lol.

This board has added to my list of why Vegas is not for me. I don’t really drink, I’m not interested in gambling, and I’m not into the Deva scenes, so I have no interest in floor shows. I thought maybe it would be to see the good looking guys. But, all the guys are straight and total tops.

Guess I’m never going to Vegas, lol.

What are guys in Vegas looking for in an escort? Muscle worship only or massage or full blown sex?

I’m no export, but it seems that every ad that’s mentioned here are muscle worship based when it comes to Vegas. I’m not sure why because when I think of bodybuilding, I think of Miami and LA.

I was talking about the local gay community

There's no organized gay community of any sort in Vegas it seems, other than a once a month luncheon for gay business owners. Everything seems to be targeted to a straight audience in Vegas.

Is it that, or what brings in the gay crowd a lot different than what brings in the male straight crowd. I’m thinking from Britney Spears going back to Liza Minnelli, it’s the girls that gay boys came for.

I don’t know where you live but in LI, I see signs everywhere for College Hunk movers. Whether the movers are in college or hunks, I have no idea.

You haven’t seen the guy....

I agree with you. Yeah he's a total dick but people just need to understand this is what hot people do. If you can't afford it don't be a hater.

I wasn't talking about the idea of muscle worship, but not understanding the price tag in general. Not calling out @Aaron James for paying that rate, but the fact that that is the rate.

Not trying to come off a hater. But yes, I don't have an unlimited expense account. I have a decent job, but I'm in a place where I still I have to spend wisely. So I take prices into account when it comes to hiring. I'm happy for the many on here that have the ability to fly out anyone they want from wherever they are, without any worries.

I can only speak from my life experiences. If that makes me come of as a hater, I'm sorry.

I’ve watched auditions many a weeknight at Stock. Usually it’s one or two guys trying out.

 

I also know that some dancers bring friends to dance at Stock. Kind of like doing a referral service. For instance mike brought his friend Kobe to dance. Former dancer Yannick brought his friends Jaycob and Philipe to star dancing at Stock. I bet 30-40% of the dancers start as a result of a referral from a current dancer.

I have seen many an audition there as well. And also concur about referrals from dancers already there.

So there auditions are open to the public? Makes sense when you think about it, but for some reason I wasn’t thinking it went past, “Take off your shirt. Okay, you’re in.” What are the nights for it, are is it a random thing.

To clarify, it was 400 for the meet and extras (e.g. oral) were negotiable, so I had to give more than 400. 600 probably would have done it but he put in an awesome show, so an additional 400 in the post orgasm haze felt reasonable.

 

Lesson of the day - always be clear up front what you’re paying and what you’re paying for

So 400 just to meet up without oral? While I definitely understand muscle worship, I will never understand the price tag.

It would be funny to see if someone could figure out how to advertise himself for such a service

I have seen Grindr/Scruff named DumbJock or YoungDumbNFull. But the pics are usually not theirs.

You have my vote as the most unusual thread ever.

I’m surprised you can’t see the advantages of hiring an escort that can’t count.

**I wish I could find a meme of Maeby Bluth tipping George Michael “$200”**

I wish I could help... so pm me too

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Then he was 100 percent taken advantage. By tipping him so much, you made it seem like $400 means nothing to you.

BTW, let me know if you’re in need of a driver

Gotcha, and I do too. @Aaron James was this a guy who’s done this before, or was it 6 months of convincing? lol

total bottoms have cocks and if they take Viagra they can get it up and fuck.

And tops all have assholes and can buy poppers.

And any can buy a paint brush, doesn’t mean they’re good painters:p:D

To make more money.

 

~Boomer~

And from I hear, bypass paying actors. I get the idea. But it’s like participating in damaging your industry. It’s like if Disney’s CEO Bob Iger sold bootleg dvds on the sidewalk.

Me neither... I was offering a way for those who desire someone they can't have out of the 2,000 (more or less) guys advertising on RM.

 

I would feel guilty of forcing a top (someone who doesn't bottom in his personal life because he doesn't like it/it's painful) for $100 but some on here might feel pleasure doing it or they just can't find a handsome bottom on RM... Then pay extra for it!

I wonder if anyone has paid extra have a total bottom top them?

Why does someone who owns a studio have a onlyfans account?

You are proposing a huge "if" for which I would need a qualification before changing my opinion.

You don’t have to change your opinion. But I’m not sure what you want me to qualify?

Does anyone know how Stockbar recruits dancers? It can't be as simple as just having auditions and open calls. I'm amazed that for decades there have been so many young Canadian jocks willing to dance (and more) nude. It seems there is less stigma to do such a thing than there is in the USA.

Part of being a little bit France, and not being founded by Puritans. lol

He’s greedy and self centered. You did nothing wrong.

Him outright asking for $800 the second time was an outright insult to your intelligence and your generosity. Your generosity would be better placed with someone who has less greed and more appreciation.

Sorry but I’m on the model side here. Not that I support the price, but I can understand what happened. If he’s a fitness model and never escorted before, he probably didn’t know what the price was for doing so. If I did a job, and someone tipped me the exact amount for it, I’d think I was asking way too little in the first place. I’d think I was being taken advantage of. He wasn’t being taken advantage of, but did he know that?

okay, so I met a guy about 6 months ago. He’s a fitness model so I expected to pay a premium. I paid 400 and because he put on a good show, gave him another 400. Possibly a bit generous but hey.

 

So I just saw him again and he asked for 800. He just assumed I would give him the same.

 

I gave him 600 and we’ll probably never meet again as it’s left a sour note.

 

Thoughts? Am I being a dick? Or is he?

You ruined the market. He now thinks he was charging to little because he was tipped the same amount as asking price. I always wonder why so many first timers have outrageous prices. They probably had similar experiences.