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Eugenics mandates sterilization and forced abortions for those deemed unfit - something Kavanaugh approved of as a Circuit Court judge. How do you describe the intentional weeding out of certain characteristics and the encouragement of state interference in decisions about medical treatment and reproductive rights other than a way to eliminate specified traits without regard to the people involved? How is that not a kinder, gentler version of genocide? Same goes for wanting the US to be Eurocentric/white. What happens if people don't self-deport? The logical end of that is also genocide. Remember, it's still genocide even if it doesn't wipe out a population.

Where in Europe and the Anglo world was eugenics not popular? And in what way is eugenics anything other than genocide based on physical characteristics?

They need to be viewed as supplements to libraries rather than substitutes. They're great for voracious readers who want or need to recycle or get rid of books they've already read without the hassle of selling them or using an exchange like Paperback Book Swap. They're not so great if they exist to replace libraries.

Parts of this interview with Steven Yuen seem relevant to this discussion. Who says an Asian man is not sexy? They might not be six foot, blond, blue eyed. But we got our shit. We got our own style. Sexy is just a way of being, and a comfort in ourselves. So we're getting to that place. I hope we get to that place and then we can make things more nuanced, scattered, eclectic, different, all across the board. https://www.gq.com/story/steven-yeun-burning-interview/amp?__twitter_impression=true Sadly it seems straight society is ahead of gay society on that score because gay society largely embraces the traditional definition of masculinity whereas straight society - women especially - is reacting against it.

Yes! I can't copy images from my tablet, so thank you for that. So what do people make of that? He has defined abs, broad shoulders, no hips and a pretty face, which may just amount to nice skin and defined cheekbones. Does the pretty face cancel everything else out, and if so, why?

Actually the frightening thing is people deciding who should live and die, who is worthy and who is not. That's why I know that as soon as someone starts talking about how he earned everything he has through his own efforts and is therefore worthier and more moral than others, I should run fast in the other direction. It's wrong and biased, as wealth is a better indicator of future success than talent or giftedness. Meritocracy is largely a myth. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/09/its-better-be-born-rich-than-talented/?utm_term=.2512d7333362

Intolerance of people who don't drink alcohol is as obnoxious as intolerance of people who do.

I know it's hard to counter your cultural upbringing, but just as people need to counter their unconscious systemic racism, they also need to shed actively harmful beliefs like apologizing for existing while Asian. They're the ones in the wrong, not you.

Yes! I don't usually put it that starkly because it can come off as biased coming from a cis woman like me, but along with racial preferences, preferences for "real men" have internalized misogyny and gender standards embedded in them. It's another way of living by the rules of anti-gay culture. It's not that there's something wrong with liking buffed up people, but there's something wrong when it's the only standard by which anyone is measured. Moreover, there are also men who are beautiful or femme looking with six packs and wide shoulders. How do they get classified? Case in point: Ren of k-pop group Nu'est. Of course now I can't find a clip of his abs, but here's one of him explaining how he was "caught" by one of his band members dancing in his room wearing only a pair of sunglasses. I don't think he looks or dances particularly girly or manly; he seems more gender neutral to me than anything. It's when he has a less traditional hairstyle or length that he is more easily mistaken for a woman. Interestingly, Nu'est challenges gender norms from the other direction too; bandmate Baekho is beefier than is the norm in k-pop. (This is their debut song, which is about school bullying. Do not let anyone tell you k-pop consists of mindless bubble gum music.) More about Nu'est, including Ren and gender norms and Baekho and body standards: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/7998473/why-nuest-was-always-worth-your-attention

It's not possible without challenging the law. The medical exams required by law are gynecological ones. You'd first need to change the law through legislation or litigation. Also I suspect there's not enough of a market in that location for it to be attractive. Why would MSM escorts give up their autonomy like that? They don't face issues of personal security the way female escorts do.

And here I am, happy to attend a BTS concert (last year, not this year), because it's the largest group of Asian-Americans I've been around (though probably not a majority of the crowd). But I'm a hapa cis woman who can pass for white depending on how observant someone is, not a gay man. I haven't experienced the issues many Asian-American women run into of being assumed to be submissive, demure or hypersexual, either. What I run into a lot are gender norms about how girly/androgynous Asian guys look. Some of it is assumption that having a beautiful face makes you girly and some of it is straight-up femme hatred and dislike.

It's all about free will. So it shouldn't have been such a surprise.

I always got the tones wrong so my daughter gave up on trying to teach me. But grammatically it's very simple.

I've heard Japan described similarly, except it's more acceptable to have a same-sex lover on the side after marrying as long as one is discreet about it.

Completely serendipitously, I found a compilation of Taekook clips (Taehyung is V's birth name) that starts with them cuddling in V's bunk in that recreational vehicle. But honestly the maknae line (the three youngest - Jungkook, V, and Jimin) is one big puppy pile anyway. So is the entire group sometimes. And they often act more playfully than their actual ages would suggest (21-25 in international years).

See if you can play it directly on YouTube.

Read the book, saw the movie with my high school boyfriend. I was just old enough to see the movie without a parent.

Karaoke is the national sport of South Korea, but it's performed in booths where the machine rates you or in small rooms with friends. I've sung with a karaoke machine but not at a karaoke bar.

I figured there probably was somewhere.

Rather than heterosexual I think these are straight up misogynistic. The two aren't synonymous.

It doesn't lead to homicidal violence, but continuing the family line and being "normal" ( i.e., orderly) is important in Korea, so there is a lot of prejudice. Also somewhere between 25-30% of South Koreans are Christian, mostly Protestant evangelicals. Up until the early 2000s South Koreans generally insisted that homosexuality didn't exist in South Korea. There are very few openly gay celebrities, and one who came out in the early 2000s because he was directly asked lost all of the acting jobs he had lined up. He almost moved to another country. But he decided to stay and is now a famous restaurateur. While he hasn't returned to actinr, he's a regular on variety and talk shows and does gay rights advocacy and education. Nevertheless, South Korea isn't close to marriage equality yet. And public displays of affection by straight people are frowned on, although not as strongly as they used to be, so it's hard to complain that gay people also are constrained. In addition to some transgender pop stars, two openly gay male idols (one with an agency, one without) and a former idol who is either asexual or questioning, there are a number of idols who are suspected or assumed to be LGBTQ. Others are openly but quietly supportive of the gay community and gay rights, like RM of BTS recommending Macklemore's "Same Love" and the soundtrack for Love, Simon and singing a cover of Troye Sivan's "Fools" with bandmate Jungkook; Suga/Yoongi saying in an interview with Billboard that gay and straight are equal, and possibly suggesting in an interview with a Japanese magazine that gender isn't important to him when it comes to relationships). Unfortunately the idol who was the most openly supportive of LGBTQ rights - Jonghyun of SHINee, who retweeted a bisexual trans female student activist back in 2013 - committed suicide last December.

Yup, I was going to say that too. So it's not all fan service and It's borderline disrespectful to say it is. I also understand the same is true for girls holding hands. On the other hand, it's unusual and usually considered rude to touch artists of the opposite sex while performing or what not. That's part of the reason why co-ed groups are so unusual.

True. But it's also pretty authentic to who they are, as it happens offstage as well. See my comment above. To them, it's not specifically homoerotic. Another example is that when both J-Hope and Jin moved into the group's first apartment, where the seven of them shared one bedroom, the first person they met was Yoongi walking around in his underwear because he had just taken a shower. And at one point Yoongi admitted he had borrowed a pair of Jungkook's underwear without permission and then not said anything when Jungkook complained.

I can find equivalent video of every possible couple in the group (BTS, or Bangtan Sonyeondan) doing pretty much the same thing, although Yoonmin (Yoongi/Jimin) is one of the most romantic/least platonic of the pairings. I mean, Jungkook crawled into bed with and put his arms around V after going for an early morning run while the group was on vacation in Scandinavia. (They were traveling in a recreational vehicle at the time. V woke up and asked why Jungkook was in the bunk with him.) Jimin once curled up with V while V was using his phone to practice saying "I love you" in English. Back when Jin and Suga/Yoongi were roommates, they used to put their beds together so they could watch films. The men who lived with them and acted as their guides and mentors in the hip-hop boot camp reality show American Hustle Life at first thought they were all gay because they're so open about expressing affection and emotion.

And holding hands and looking like boyfriends even though they probably aren't. Posting here rather than Gallery because while they're my taste visually they're not within the fairly narrow range of what is most popular here visually and because this video is more emotional than sexual in nature. Also anyone who thinks they're too androgynous looking can just skip to the next post without commenting, thanks, or I'll post videos of Suga/Yoongi's most aggressive raps. South Korea is super homophobic but the majority of this video is from material filmed and distributed by their record label. I think that's more important than conforming to Western stereotypes of masculinity.