LOL. It is amusing to read so much concern about manners, and specially how easily we make up our own "reality" when actual reality does not adjust to our "norms". We are so confident, besides, about our own "masculinity" LMFAO! We talk about "them" when we address the ones who are supposedly "effeminate", and we are so "supportive" and so "tolerant" of them. I am moved.
I know what I am talking about, I am very masculine.