LewisLMT

@questbear As a trained provider in the industry for over 12years. I think we both have a different definition of what the word "Therapeutic" means. Therapeutic to me is very detailed work, very specific work. Understanding kinesiology and the muscles involved to correct an issue or injury. When working erotically, i do not usually work therapeutic. Many "Masseurs" do not know the difference of styles. Thank you so much for this dialogue.

@questbear I did not feel the need to defend myself against your comment. I was merely stating that saying a therapist "shorted you on time" was inaccurate. Like I mentioned, I enjoyed our session and appreciated you as a client. Though slightly negative, reviews and statements, when taken out of context, can indeed harm a provider. Why would anyone want to visit a provider when they are "shorted on time"? haha I know I wouldn't! Words are impactful. Respectfully, you didn't say you think I did; you said "even though he shorted me a few minutes on time." Again, slightly misconstrued that I was politely correcting. Thank you for opening up a larger conversation in regards to “reading the vibes”. When a massage is erotic, it should be erotic throughout, not therapeutic. The body should be used throughout to give an experience. If a provider's parts are rubbing against your face while you are having a nude erotic massage, that is what you have asked for. The massage is nude, there is mutual touch. In general, however, it is never implied, unless asked or a conversation happens, that more is to happen. Consent first and foremost always. It’s very uncomfortable for the provider to be working erotically to pull away after an occurrence has happened. I myself have pulled away in the past and said “hey, we never spoke about that” and continued to have the conversation of “well, since that has actually happened, the rate is…” The client has said “oh, I won’t do it again, I’m sorry, let's just continue” like we are both supposed to forget it happened. Or “I don’t have more than… on me” or “Well, I didn’t know, I’m definitely not being charged extra.” As a provider, you learn to navigate many, many different scenarios. Many who presume everything is fair game usually end with uncomfortable interactions. Again, I was very comfortable with our interaction. I mentioned our fun time it as a moment only to say, we did a lot more and you still complained about a few minutes left at the end hehehe. Not to make you feel any type of way. And I do understand nothing you mentioned was malicious. I agree the purpose of a forum is to give HONEST feedback in a safe space. But providers too should feel safe to respond and be ready for open communication. As should clients.

@Zimby Thank you for your message! You're absolutely right about the perception of time in the massage industry. While an hour on the clock might seem straightforward, a 60-minute massage session involves various elements. Allowing time for greeting, undressing, post-massage cleanup, and dressing ensures that the session is conducted smoothly. Many Spas nationally and worldwide started offering 50min sessions. Not advertising 60mins, therefore allowing the other 10mins for all other aspects. Then a 5min to turn over a room in preparation for the next client. Some do 60mins with 15min turnover intervals, allowing the space to make up any crossover between clients. I'm glad we share a mutual understanding of these dynamics. I try maintaining clear boundaries with of my sessions, but like you said "you simply cannot make every client happy" though I try! I've been in the industry for over 12years not only working as a therapist but in management and operations. Ive seen and experienced a lot of Karen & Ken clientele. I am going to DM you some further thoughts

NO ONE PERSONAL NAMES OR DETAILS ARE MENTIONED IN THIS POST. I AM LEWIS_LMT AND I AM REPLYING TO A THREAD ABOUT ME. THANK YOU. Thank you to many members who reached out who enjoyed my post when it was originally posted. Happy to keep conversations going with different subject matter in other forums. ...... I guess it’s time I enter the chat. For a while, I’ve had clients and peers notify me of this website, and I’ve never paid much attention to it. Many of the comments and postings that I’ve come to privy to (through a client usually) I’ve laughed about. Example, I’ve read a guy ranting about me because I politely declined wanting my photos taken by an amateur. We had never met. Yet he created a post commenting on my character? Funnily enough, members on the forum called him out on his ridiculousness. Another recent posting, a mentally unstable Meth user calls me “dense”. How do I know that posting was from the meth user who lit up in front of me at his place? (1) I journal all my encounters (2) No one has ever called me dense in person, then it appearing shortly on a forum to discredit my character. I said no to this encounter, leaving uncomfortable and hastily. Yet I'm discredited because I way extremely uncomfortable.... What I usually take from this website is that some of these client postings/experiences are not at all accurate and, in a small way, for them to mischaracterize a provider and try to discredit them? To me, that always speaks more about the client. But on the other hand, there is no way for other readers to understand the truth. I'm lucky in the fact that I have a long list of clientele who know me for who I am. My clients outside of this particular world always come first. Hence why it can be difficult to reach me. I would much rather work on one of my oncology clients, my rehabilitation clients, my PT or Chiro client referrals, or my aesthetic clients at my private studio, than take an erotic session. Why? Because I get more satisfaction from my therapeutic work, and I don’t have to deal with a huge portion of flakes, drug users, time wasters, weirdos. Why do I continue to advertise on RM? Because extra income comes in handy when I’m actually available. Always, I give what I receive. You will read my communication is short on this thread. Correct. Those who communicate with “sup”, “hey”, “what’s up” with no other communication, I just don’t respond. If you are contacting a provider and incapable of basic communication to set an appointment up for yourself, it's not worth my time. I think what clients have to understand is, you are one person communicating with one person. As a provider, I am one person communicating with 50 on a daily basis. It’s more productive for both to get to the point. Providers are not also there to sex talk and take up too much time communicating back and forth for it to get nowhere. Time is money. You’ve not paid…yet. The many, many clients out there who I've enjoyed my time with usually contact like so: “Hi, my name is ….. I’m very interested in booking time with you. I’m looking for XYZ this coming Thursday at 8 pm, would you be available?” This type of communication gets my attention and usually ends up being a very successful encounter. I just got back to Chicago. I snowbird in the winter. Today I decided (because I have the time and I was notified again of a posting on my name), that I would respond on this thread. And give a better understanding of some of the recent comments made. In the last 5 days, Ive taken a few RM clients. A few were regular clients. @Umichdude93 would be a new client and the newest posting here. @Umichdude93 has contacted me twice before. I never delete my messages. It’s also how I keep track of past events. They have scheduled twice before. No-showed twice before. Costing me time and money. When looking up their info, I see I am not the only provider this client does this to. This encounter I played with him, just like this client has played in the past. You receive what you give. When I realize he actually showed. Third time's a charm, I guess. I met them. They asked for an erotic massage. (Nude, mutual touch, release is what I offer) He didn't want what he booked. I told them, I explained my services and costs. They said okay. He got what he wanted, he paid, he left. It was short. This is me personally. If you are booking a massage and I’ve given you my rate, that’s what the service will be. If you want something else, it's going to cost differently. I communicate this every time. Expectations should always be met, I do not wish to feel uncomfortable. Therefore we’ve usually had good communication about our session and are aware of the expectations, plus a price has been agreed to. Do not come into a service without full communication of what you are wanting/expecting. Don’t be sneaky in thinking you’re going to get something if we have not discussed it. You will leave disappointed. I've had many clients I’ve stopped and said “hey if you want to changed what we have spoken about, these are my rates” given them my rate, and they have declined, and we have continued respectfully. Have there been times where I’m personally into the guy (I do like grey-haired older men) and will hookup for fun outside of my massage service? Yes, but that is my choice. A few others I wish to reply back to on this thread to clear a few things up. @questbear I remember our time together, also date and time (I journal). Appreciate the compliment. I did not short you on time. You had a left rotator cuff issue. I spent time therapeutically working that shoulder for you. You were a very nice person. You did, without asking, put your mouth around below. Because you were very sweet, I did let it slide. I didn’t charge you extras or stop you. Again, that was my choice to let it happen. At the end of a service, I leave 10 min for you to release. You released very quickly. You went to the bathroom to clean up. I too went to the bathroom to wash my hands. When coming back out of the bathroom. You were half dressed. Yes, there was 5 min left on the clock… but I wouldn’t say I shorted you on time. That is a mis representation of the session. @DC Otter You are one of those clients with beautiful communication and a very, very nice human in person. I thoroughly enjoyed our experience. Price correct and all expectations met/fulfilled. @Chads I’m 5’7 Had a great session with you also. Thank you @MassageDrew - Thanks for booking a therapeutic massage. You did indeed miss the details in booking online on my professional account. At that time, booking a 60 min massage the title was called - **$125 - 60 mins Heal, Repair & Rehabilitation** The description being - “This is NOT a full body massage. This massage is for injuries, healing and rehabilitation. If you are currently seeing a PT or Chiropractor, this is your massage. We will thoroughly work on the areas that need your most attention.” Secondly, during the covid19 mask mandate, I offered all my clients to go maskless. Your head being in a headrest with a mask on is uncomfortable. I took my mask off while my clients were face down. When face up and working on face, neck and shoulders, my mask would go on. I think that’s considerate and thoughtful considering the climate at that time and me seeing multiple clients a day. Thirdly, Thai massage is a lot more physically demanding and way more than “stretching”. It takes a further toll on the therapist's body and it is an advanced skilled technique that required further paid training hours after school and state board exams. Therefore, these massages are always charged at a higher rate. If you check out spas nationally, you will find that massages based on skill levels are at different rates. A Swedish will never be the same rate as a deep tissue or Thai. @Jayson03The same as @MassageDrew, you also booked online via a professional website. You booked a COMBO Massage/Facial. Firstly, the facial is always after the massage. I would never do a full facial and then flip you over face down in a headrest. That's bizarre! Secondly, It stated in the description of the COMBO service - “Massage 60 mins, NOT a full body massage. We will focus on a couple of problematic areas. (Which we did) Facial 60 mins. Depending on your extractions facial can extend more than 60 mins, time will be taken from massage time” Thirdly, tantric massage was advertised because I was getting a lot of requests. Therefore, I advertised it. Not due to a low customer return rate. Thank you. @dctraveler His massage was not cut short. He got exactly what he booked and paid for. Yes, doing a combo service or any service is very physically demanding. Thank you for understanding that. Jayson03 did not read what he booked. Hopefully this post gives more clarity to this thread. Appreciate you reading.

I sure did @MikeThomas ?? @rvwnsd Why was my post removed when it was 100% on topic to this thread? It was replying to comments here plus giving factual accounts of many skewed POVS. As a provider am i not allowed to engage with this forum and comment on my name? Extremely confused.