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Just my opinion on tipping , I don’t really think percentage tipping makes as much sense at a spa as it does at restaurants. Massage therapists are licensed professionals who go through serious training (anatomy, body mechanics, techniques, etc.). That’s why I usually tip 50%+ for a great session. Some of my friends tip even more, especially when requesting extra services.

Then I read his review on another post on this forum....
Suddenly, he's not so beautiful..... ;( 

Whoops!  Wrong thread!  Damn... my first post and I screwed it up! How do I delete and put it in the Palm Springs thread? 

Worst case: They mistaken me for someone else who screwed them, send me a pissed-off note, then realize their mistake, and apologize. 
Consider myself warned. They aren't perfect and might make a (rare) mistake. 
Yes, this forum is great to warn people of shady behavior, of which there's plenty out there, but this is hardly that, especially when they have a pretty stellar reputation. 
I felt they were getting unfairly railroaded here by some, hence my speaking up.
Regardless, to each his own!
 

Oh c'mon. They have a long good reputation as evidenced by their many positive reviews and the non-existence of any complaints or hints of shady behavior.
Someone screwed them, and they made a mistake identifying the wrong person... for which they've now apologized.
Move on.
I haven't even met these guys (yet), but maybe I'm untroubled by this because I've never had the pleasure of meeting guys as perfect as you all!

Oh c'mon. They have a long good reputation as evidenced by their many positive reviews and the non-existence of any complaints or hints of shady behavior.
Someone screwed them, and they made a mistake identifying the wrong person... for which they've now apologized.
Move on.
I haven't even met these guys (yet), but maybe I'm untroubled by this because I've never had the pleasure of meeting guys as perfect as you all!

Like I said, they probably mixed up their clients, as I am taking the client/commenter's explanation here at face value, but that doesn't make them scammers as some suggest they could be.
But if you leave cash, odds are, if they don't see it, they'll be informing you of that before you get to the car.
Unfortunately, Paypal puts the providers at risk as a bad client can reverse their payment once they're gone, and leave the provider totally screwed. They can duke it out via Paypal but obviously if details of the service aren't in concert with Paypal's terms, it gets murky and perhaps more costly.
There are scamming providers out there, but usually, thanks to a site like this, word of mouth spreads quickly about their lack of character. Given Froy & Gabrielsp have been around for some time, and have almost entirely stellar feedback, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt as far as any scamming accusation is concerned.
There are bad clients too, and as I saw another provider shortly after this happened to him, I saw the hurt he felt that he was used like that, which, I suspect, felt worse than the loss of income for one session.

Oh c'mon. They have a long good reputation as evidenced by their many positive reviews and the non-existence of any complaints or hints of shady behavior.
Someone screwed them, and they made a mistake identifying the wrong person... for which they've now apologized.
Move on.
I haven't even met these guys (yet), but maybe I'm untroubled by this because I've never had the pleasure of meeting guys as perfect as you all!

Worst case: They mistaken me for someone else who screwed them, send me a pissed-off note, then realize their mistake, and apologize. 
Consider myself warned. They aren't perfect and might make a (rare) mistake. 
Yes, this forum is great to warn people of shady behavior, of which there's plenty out there, but this is hardly that, especially when they have a pretty stellar reputation. 
I felt they were getting unfairly railroaded here by some, hence my speaking up.
Regardless, to each his own!
 

MikeCMT is the best. Nicest guy too.

Worst case: They mistaken me for someone else who screwed them, send me a pissed-off note, then realize their mistake, and apologize. 
Consider myself warned. They aren't perfect and might make a (rare) mistake. 
Yes, this forum is great to warn people of shady behavior, of which there's plenty out there, but this is hardly that, especially when they have a pretty stellar reputation. 
I felt they were getting unfairly railroaded here by some, hence my speaking up.
Regardless, to each his own!
 

I've always been selective, but probably more today than before. 

Update to what happened. Froy reached out to me and confirmed that he was mistaken and apologized for his previous messages. He confirmed he was able to resolve it with the correct person and apologized for involving me. 
 
I said thanks and said I was glad he was able to resolve it. Thanks for the advice you guys.

Oh c'mon. They have a long good reputation as evidenced by their many positive reviews and the non-existence of any complaints or hints of shady behavior.
Someone screwed them, and they made a mistake identifying the wrong person... for which they've now apologized.
Move on.
I haven't even met these guys (yet), but maybe I'm untroubled by this because I've never had the pleasure of meeting guys as perfect as you all!

Oh c'mon. They have a long good reputation as evidenced by their many positive reviews and the non-existence of any complaints or hints of shady behavior.
Someone screwed them, and they made a mistake identifying the wrong person... for which they've now apologized.
Move on.
I haven't even met these guys (yet), but maybe I'm untroubled by this because I've never had the pleasure of meeting guys as perfect as you all!

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If you've hired them several times and trust them, shouldn't they trust you too? 
I'd be bummed if someone I have seen many times and been kind to, suddenly wanted a deposit; I'd actually be offended. 

If you've hired them several times and trust them, shouldn't they trust you too? 
I'd be bummed if someone I have seen many times and been kind to, suddenly wanted a deposit; I'd actually be offended. 

If you've hired them several times and trust them, shouldn't they trust you too? 
I'd be bummed if someone I have seen many times and been kind to, suddenly wanted a deposit; I'd actually be offended. 

Assuming that it’s as wonderful a session as 90% of them are, I will at least give double the spa rate in total, if not more. 90 minutes, $200-225. When you consider the spa takes a cut, they’re still getting less than their RM equivalents. 
Plus if you’re generous, they remember it the next time too!
If it’s just a decent massage but nothing that memorable, like at most other spas, then because their rate is so low I’ll still give $50 at least in tip. If the rate were higher, I’d probably give 20%.

Assuming that it’s as wonderful a session as 90% of them are, I will at least give double the spa rate in total, if not more. 90 minutes, $200-225. When you consider the spa takes a cut, they’re still getting less than their RM equivalents. 
Plus if you’re generous, they remember it the next time too!
If it’s just a decent massage but nothing that memorable, like at most other spas, then because their rate is so low I’ll still give $50 at least in tip. If the rate were higher, I’d probably give 20%.

He messaged me as and changed his username again. Something has to be up with all the name changes and AI photos. He has a photo on there that isn’t AI so maybe he’s let himself go and doesn’t want to admit it?

Yeah, I said the same thing... and then I started getting PMs from him saying that he's losing business and my comment was costing him money. He asked that I remove it, but I stand by what I wrote. It's obvious that some of his photos are AI. 

Like I said, they probably mixed up their clients, as I am taking the client/commenter's explanation here at face value, but that doesn't make them scammers as some suggest they could be.
But if you leave cash, odds are, if they don't see it, they'll be informing you of that before you get to the car.
Unfortunately, Paypal puts the providers at risk as a bad client can reverse their payment once they're gone, and leave the provider totally screwed. They can duke it out via Paypal but obviously if details of the service aren't in concert with Paypal's terms, it gets murky and perhaps more costly.
There are scamming providers out there, but usually, thanks to a site like this, word of mouth spreads quickly about their lack of character. Given Froy & Gabrielsp have been around for some time, and have almost entirely stellar feedback, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt as far as any scamming accusation is concerned.
There are bad clients too, and as I saw another provider shortly after this happened to him, I saw the hurt he felt that he was used like that, which, I suspect, felt worse than the loss of income for one session.

Like I said, they probably mixed up their clients, as I am taking the client/commenter's explanation here at face value, but that doesn't make them scammers as some suggest they could be.
But if you leave cash, odds are, if they don't see it, they'll be informing you of that before you get to the car.
Unfortunately, Paypal puts the providers at risk as a bad client can reverse their payment once they're gone, and leave the provider totally screwed. They can duke it out via Paypal but obviously if details of the service aren't in concert with Paypal's terms, it gets murky and perhaps more costly.
There are scamming providers out there, but usually, thanks to a site like this, word of mouth spreads quickly about their lack of character. Given Froy & Gabrielsp have been around for some time, and have almost entirely stellar feedback, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt as far as any scamming accusation is concerned.
There are bad clients too, and as I saw another provider shortly after this happened to him, I saw the hurt he felt that he was used like that, which, I suspect, felt worse than the loss of income for one session.