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I double checked and looked at both ads just now. I am now second-guessing my previous post because the resemblance between the men depicted in the photos in both ads is striking. It still seems strange to create separate personas which aren't even that distinct or unique. FWIW, Masters's ad presently lists him as being in NYC, where he's based, while Archer's ad presently lists him as in Fort Wayne, Indiana, but indicates that he visits NYC. Strange indeed. I guess one could hire them both for a three-way to solve the mystery! :-)

"Clearly"? That's a bit of an overstatement. I've only hired Mike Masters, and while I see a similarity in build, I don't think he looks like this new Jake Archer person. While it's probably a tan, Archer appears to have much darker skin. Archer's pics also show the bottom portion of his face, and while he appears to be handsome, he does not in my opinion look like Masters, who I thought was one of the most handsome white men I'd ever personally met. Although both decline sharing face pics, Masters provides way more public photos than the three Archer provides. It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, but since Masters still has an active ad, it seems weird that he'd create a new one for another persona.

Now this is venturing into the realm of absurdity. I find it difficult to believe that most of the people on this thread "yapping about racism here" (and I interpret that as your characterization of those who think excluding entire racial groups is abhorrent) would be supporting the most blatantly racist political campaign we've seen in decades. I get that you're invested in articulating the contrarian/non-PC position, but resorting to such hyperbole only does you a disservice. And with all due respect, when it comes to the portion of my post that you quoted in red font, I don't think you know what you're talking about. I recall from our past disagreement on this topic that you don't identify as a person of color, so I suspect that you have no personal experience as a victim of racism, although I think you previously analogized it to anti-semitism (but my memory could be off on that last part). I'm both a person of color and have been overweight my whole life. I've experienced all manner of discrimination on both of those grounds, and the impact is much deeper when I'm mistreated because of my race, due to the immense historical and cultural baggage attached to that subject. In our society, race means something with respect to identity (at least to those for whom race has historically been a marker of inferiority, and the means through which individual and institutional/structural mistreatment has been applied) that is entirely different from other characteristics. I never said that being mistreated for other reasons does not hurt. But it is markedly different. If you disagree, then that's your prerogative, but on certain subjects, where personal experience and wisdom really matters, not all opinions are equal. Respectfully,

I sympathize with much of what you've written, but have to draw the line here. No one can make others open their hearts and minds, and let go of their prejudices, which almost all of us have in some shape or form. But I categorically reject the false equivalency between the experience of being the subject of discriminatory practices, and that of being subject to the backlash against such practices. The "real injustice" is not that members of this community have taken these two escorts (including the guy in the other thread) to task for their racially discriminatory business practices. I suppose it's better that Dakota, unlike that POS referenced in the other thread, informs prospective clients in advance that he refuses black clients, so as to avoid an awkward encounter down the road. But that's where white privilege comes into play. It may be awkward for the white escort, but it's far more than awkward for the client of color. As someone who has personally experienced racial discrimination, I can tell you that it's deeply offensive, hurtful, anger-inducing, and does violence to one's spirit. That's not to say that you want to give power to others so that they can hurt you. But there are certain things, given this particular cultural and historical backdrop, that resonate much more deeply, so "just let it fucking go" doesn't even begin to address that. It is not the same as those jerks who callously put "no fats, fems, or old guys" in a dating profile. It is much deeper than that. I don't believe Dakota has ever explained his reasons on this thread, despite chiming in with some cute comments here and there, including a since-deleted joke about black guys being super hung (kind of inappropriate to invoke racial stereotypes here given the overall subject matter, but hey...). No one but Dakota himself knows the true motivation behind his actions.* He may not perceive himself to be racist, and might just not be sexually attracted to black guys, while having no other issues with blacks or any other groups of people. So it may be as simple as his belief or assumption that he could not perform with a black man. Or he may actually have full-blown racist attitudes against black people, and therefore want nothing to do with them in any capacity, including escort work. Or maybe it's somewhere between those extremes. Only Dakota can say what his real reasons are, assuming he's even given it that much thought. I get the sense from his comments that this is not a big deal to him, and if so, then it's unlikely this has been a subject of deep introspection. In any event, I think it's unfortunate that anyone has racial prejudices on any level, including the selection of their sexual and romantic partners. But life isn't perfect, and neither are we. I wish the best to Dakota and everyone else who's participated in these two threads. *The other escort seemed to have a particular prejudice against American blacks, since he was willing to make an exception with the client who started that thread because he had a British accent. That suggests that it wasn't about sexual attraction, per se, but racial prejudice, particularly as animated by American-style racist attitudes against black Americans.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/03/michael-sam-2/ The latest issue of Attitude magazine seems so appropriate here. Michael Sam appears on the cover of Attitude‘s May issue and talks to the magazine about coming out, racism, and homophobia. Speaking about racism in the ‘gay community’, Sam says, “It’s terrible. ...You want to be accepted by other people but you don’t even accept someone just because of the colour of their skin? I just don’t understand that at all. How are you saying that, ‘oh, I want people to accept me because I’m gay but I don’t accept you because you’re black, or because you’re white or because you’re Asian’."

I believe he dances at the Adonis Lounge in NYC on occasion.

I actually texted the number listed in his ad. I'd have driven to Long Beach if needed, but he never gave me the opportunity. That being said, he's definitely my type, so I'd still consider hiring him if he was available and responsive. Perhaps on my next trip...

I texted TopHungJock on two occasions earlier this year in advance of my trip to L.A., but he never replied. His ad has varied between listing his home location as San Diego, Orange County, Los Angeles, and, now, Long Beach, while also listing some of these as travel locations. I couldn't figure out if he ignored my queries b/c he wasn't where I was going to be, he wasn't interested in me specifically, or just poor business habits. Good luck!

I saw him at the Adonis Lounge stripper event in West Hollywood back in December 2015, at which time I believe his ad was up. I follow him on Twitter, and don't think I saw anything saying that he was retiring from escorting. But I've never hired him, nor even had a lap dance from him, so I can't offer any personal experience besides that he's quite handsome in person. Guess I should have spoken with him so I could have heard a sexy Irish accent!

You may be right about when the U.S. (Or certain regions herein) formally adopted the one drop rule, but it originated in British rule. Many countries that used to be British colonies in the Americas have also followed this rule of racial classification, even using the same name. That's no coincidence. Ironically, Brazil, where I referred the OP, also has its issues with racial classification, but never adopted such a rule, and so many Brazilians who would be classified as "black" under the American-British view, are not necessarily viewed as such there. Brazil's history as a Portuguese colony likely plays a role there. Such different history likely allows for homophobia and sexual identity politics to play out very differently in Brazil. So, again, to the OP, notwithstanding this side discussion, I think Brazil (one of my favorite places) might be just what you're looking for.

My understanding is that it has much to do with the British anti-sodomy laws that were left in place even after independence. Many former British colonies suffered from virulent homophobia, due in large part, activists say, to the legacy of those laws which are still on the books. For some reason, those particular laws really resonated in the former colonies and have taken on new meaning long after the formal end of colonialism. The phenomenon is not so different from the "one drop rule" of racial classification that the U.S. also inherited. More to the OP's question, I think Brazil offers a lot of what he's looking for.

Thanks for the candid response. I know which photo you're referring to, so thanks for assuaging my concerns.

Glad to hear you had a great time, RexB. If I may ask, what are his rates? He doesn't provide them in his ad. And, if you can say, what was his endowment like? He lists 9 inches or 22 cm, but his private pictures don't seem to match that. Thanks in advance.

I've asked about BDG once or twice on this forum, but no one has provided any info on him. I first noticed him on A4A and RB, and finally on RM. On the last of those sites, he actually noticed that I'd viewed his RM ad, and he struck up a conversation, but it kind of "died" after an exchange of two or three messages. For what it's worth, he was polite and I was open to meeting him if the stars had aligned, so to speak.

As disturbing as that is to read on an ad in late 2015, I actually appreciate the honesty. In years past, some on this board have defended not only the right of working guys to have such racially exclusionary policies, but also the morality of omitting it from ads, thus leaving a potential client at the mercy of being rejected on sight should the escort have failed to discern the client's race or ethnicity before an initial appointment. I appreciate my racism upfront, so I can plan around it, thank you.

Damn! I guess I must love some bad boys, because I'd sleep with every single one of these gorgeous arrestees! I think I enjoyed this thread a little too much

Thanks so much, Greg. Since you asked, I love steak, seafood, Italian food, and desserts. I'm a total foodie, so besides gay stuff, I'd love to plan my forays into town around best places to chow down.

Thanks so much to all who offered their knowledge on this thread. Yet another reason why this forum is invaluable.

I posted the below paragraph in another person's thread in the Deli re: a Chicago escort, but it should really be here (sorry for hijacking). Any help would be appreciated. What are the names and locations of gay bars and strip clubs in Chicago? I'll be there for the first time next month (Nov) and would like to know where to go during the weekend and nights. I've heard that Boystown is a neighborhood to visit, but I don't know which venues to go to. There's also a known sauna or bathhouse, isn't there? Forgive me, but I'm a Chicago virgin.

What are the names and locations of the bars and strip clubs in Chicago? I'll be there for the first time next month (Nov) and would like to know where to go during the weekend and nights. I've heard that boystown is a neighborhood to visit, but I don't know which venues to go to. There's also a known sauna or bathhouse, isn't there? Forgive me, but I'm a Chicago virgin.

I've never had that "falling in love in that moment" experience with any random hookups, but have had it several times with garotos in Brazil when on vacation, and a few times with American pros like Andrew Justice and Jason Markus. I even had it with a gay4pay stripper here in NYC, which was weird and unexpected, but still quite nice. I almost had such an experience with Ryan Thick in Los Angeles earlier this year, but I had a mental block that prevented me from completely falling into the experience. I hope to see him again, and go over that cliff next time! That's probably my favorite part about this wonderful hobby of ours. Strangely, I had one intense connection with an escort here in the NYC area. It wasn't the "falling in love in that moment" experience, and we didn't even do everything I'd hoped to do. But it was so intense that I actually never hired him again, although I've cordially greeted him when running into him at other events. I really felt like I could actually fall for him, as in he's my kind of man personality-wise. It kind of scared me that I would not be able to handle my potential feelings, and that's why I never hired him again, and I got the sense in our subsequent encounters that he was wondering why we never hooked up again. Has anyone else ever had such an experience, and has it affected your hiring like that?

Based on the version of events you summarized, ending with the racially coded characterization of Brown as a "6'4" 280# sociopathic thug," it seems clear that you bought Officer Wilson's account, hook, line and sinker, despite the fact that he was never cross-examined, many people who've reviewed the whole transcript have said his story sounds completely unbelievable (see e.g., http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side), and it conflicts with many eyewitness accounts. It's still hard for me to see how Wilson could have had an objectively reasonable belief that he needed to fire 12 rounds at an unarmed man who had fled, and was no where near him, even if they did have a scuffle a few moments earlier by his squad car. Reading Wilson's testimony, I was sickened by the disturbingly racist way in which he characterized Brown, using the pronoun "it," saying he looked like a demon, describing Brown as hulk Hogan and himself as a 5-yr old holding onto him (both men are/were 6'4", although Brown was approximately 80lbs heavier), and saying that Brown, who was already bleeding from being shot, made an aggressive snorting sound as he prepared to charge at Wilson to run through the bullets. Seriously?!? You know, because black people are animalistic snorting hulks, who are invulnerable and feel no pain, and can run through bullets. There are always inconsistencies in witness accounts, and the primary purpose of a trial is to sort those things out (such as via cross-examination of witnesses) so as to reveal the truth, but this clearly biased DA made sure we'll never get that by employing such an extremely unusual practice (see http://web.law.columbia.edu/social-justice/forum-on-ferguson/facts), essentially rigging this grand jury proceeding to ensure there was no indictment.

Don't know about the ad, just that the Markus Patrick from the soap operas is the guy I saw dancing at Adonis Lounge in L.A. If this is the guy who posted the ad, he certainly wouldn't be the first working guy to use multiple photos spanning several years, or to misrepresent his age. This forum is full of threads where guys complain about that. Before this thread, I had no idea he was even English, since I didn't have a lap dance with him or even speak to him. Either way, the only way for the OP to find out is to hire the guy in the ad.

I'm a little confused, because Marcus Patrick, the go-go dancer who used to be a soap actor, is real, and I've seen him dancing at the Adonis Lounge in L.A. As to an English actor, I've no clue who you're talking about or if that's the same Marcus Patrick that I've seen dancing (if so, I had no idea that he was English). He also promoted a single this year, so it looks like he has interests beyond acting, dancing, and maybe escorting (I think he had a rentboy ad up earlier this year, but I'm not 100% sure). But the guy in those pictures was at the Adonis Lounge and is the same guy in the music video promo for the single. As to whether this particular ad is fake, I cannot say. But if it is, it's not because Patrick isn't, or hasn't been, a go-go dancer in L.A.

I saw the interview of the man who assisted in the private autopsy. He said on air that the bullet that hit the inside of the right arm was consistent with being struck from the front as if he had his hands in the air trying to surrender, as witnesses described. The wound could also be consistent with being struck from behind while running away, due to the flexibility of the arms, and their likely positioning when one is running. Either way, the autopsy seems to be quite consistent with the varying witnesses' accounts. The situation is just so tragic. Even sadder, it's not at all an anomaly.