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In this video, James Cameron details how he came to the conclusion on Monday morning that the sub was gone. When he sends out emails to all his contacts in the deep-dive community, note that he doesn't mention any contradictory responses. In other words, everyone knew the sub was gone. That's why I am so convinced. Go ahead & buy into government propaganda (always a good source, uh huh) if you so choose. I choose to believe the deep-dive community.

This is classic government coveryourass-speak bullshit. Note the lack of a subject in the first sentence (no accountability, a government trademark) and the platitude ("Monday morning quarterbacks") in the second. No response as to who exactly doubted that the sub was gone, nor any alternative scenarios to explain the simultaneous loud bang+loss of comms+loss of tracking. Why not? Because no one doubted and because everyone knew that the loud bang/no comms/no tracking could mean only one thing: the sub was gone.

With a sub at 3500 feet deep, a collapse of the sub means instant death because no human can withstand the water pressure at that depth whereas people survive building collapses all the time. Poor analogy. For example, as catastrophic as the Surfside FL condo collapse was (98 dead), 3 people did survive.

The US government should have told the families on Monday morning that the simultaneous loud bang + loss of comms + loss of tracking meant that the sub was gone. Anything other than that would be misleading. Maybe they did tell the families behind closed doors that the sub was gone, no chance of survivors. But the very public narrative was that there was still a chance of rescue.

It will be the 21st century version of Marie Antoinette's notorious line. But instead of cake, "let them eat synthetic meat!"

You caught me on Sarajevo. My ignorance, I didn't know Bosnia was a Muslim-majority country (barely, 50.7% according to Wiki). Some brave souls did stage a Pride March in Istambul in defiance of a government ban. 40 marchers were detained. If the government bans Pride and arrests participants, I don't think that counts. They used to have Pride in Lebanon, but as in Turkey the government banned it. No source, just working off my knowledge of Muslim-majority countries that hold Pride. Can you think of any others? Worth noting that Pride in Muslim-majority countries has relatively few participants and is held only in the biggest city. In Christian countries, on the other hand, even small towns hold Pride celebrations. I saw a feature on the cutest Pride march ever in a small town in England. The town had only 1 gay resident, and the march consisted of this 1 gay guy and all his friends. The rest of the town stood on the sidewalks and cheered as this "march" went by. That definitely doesn't happen in Muslim countries. Whether 2 or 3, my point was you can't lump Christian countries (~150, almost all of which allow Pride) in with Muslim countries (3 out of 50, and it's always precarious).

Wow, and you accuse other people of buying into conspiracy theories, LOL. 1) I have not reported anyone or any post in this thread. 2) It's just basic Internet courtesy to use the @ when mentioning another forum member so that they are aware you cited them. Sorry for so rudely interrupting your paranoia.

Who here actually thinks that misleading the family & friends of the 5 men was the right thing to do? If you know that my husband/brother/son is gone, just tell me, even if you don't have proof yet. But don't make me cling to bullsh*t false hope for a few days because I'll be so much more devastated when I hear the truth. Plus I will explode with rage once I figure out that you fed me a lie. How is it a good idea to feed desperate, distressed people false hope? What am I missing here?

Feel free to report my post.

One shade of gray I mentioned previously: the US government acknowledges the universal consensus in the deep-dive community is that the loud bang + simultaneous loss of comms and tracking mean that in all likelihood the sub is gone, but that search efforts will continue until the 96 hours lapses. At least that way the government isn't feeding false hope to the friends & family of the 5 men. @mike carey said, "There was still doubt about whether that was conclusive." OK then, who exactly doubted? Name names and list their credentials. And if this expert or experts doubted, what alternative scenario did they suggest could have caused the loud bang coupled with simultaneous loss of comms & tracking?

"Not trying to attack anyone" ... except you just did, LOL. You backpedaled only after I called you out for it. Let me ask the question I asked earlier but no one has answered: can you find one expert, outside the *coughlyingsackofshitcough* US government, who believed that in light of the loud bang + simultaneous loss of comms and tracking, there was a chance that the sub was still viable and its passengers were alive?

Feel free to report my post if you feel so strongly about it. Again, the entire diving community, including the US Navy, knew that the sub was gone. So why did the US government maintain the grotesque charade that there was still hope of rescuing the 5 men on board?

Making a big show about rescuing survivors when they knew the sub was gone. The entire diving community knew it, the Navy knew it. Yes, that qualifies as a lie.

I'm so sorry about all the psychological torture you've suffered. Please seek professional counseling.

As bizarre and nonsensical as your post is, I will try to respond. In my post responding to @mike carey, I thought I made it clear that I was citing James Cameron (I do mention him in the first paragraph). I admit to knowing next to nothing about deep-sea submersibles. Then you explode into hysterics about Jan 6, which I never mentioned. Oh my, you get so triggered when your precious darlings are under threat. I mention the fact that the 19yo's father was a billionaire to suggest a possible reason the poor kid was pressured to go on the dive despite being terrified. Billionaires wield enormous power, not just in business & politics but also in, or perhaps especially in their families. Your assumption that it was a comment born of envy is simply bizarre. Please calm down.

What folks' expertise are you questioning? James Cameron visited the site of the Titanic wreck 33 times. He descended into the Mariana Trench, the deepest submersible dive in history. If Cameron isn't an expert, he is at least very knowledgeable and has strong connections to many in the small world of deep-sea diving. A flurry of phone calls and emails were exchanged on Monday morning, and everyone came to the same conclusion: the sub was gone. Can you present one expert, outside of the Biden administration, who contradicts their conclusion?

Fair enough, but I would feel less deceived if government officials had presented the whole picture, i.e., that the pretty much unanimous consensus in the diving community is that the sub is gone but that rescue efforts would continue until the 96 hours lapses. Also, I disagree about 4 days being too short to distract from Hunter Biden's indictment. We live in a soundbite world in which attention spans are getting shorter and shorter. The Titan rescue effectively buried all Hunter Biden news during the worst of the scandal. Way too convenient.

It wasn't just the loud bang but that combined with the simultaneous loss of communications and tracking. The loss of tracking is particularly significant because the transponder that tracks the submersible has its own separate housing and power supply. James Cameron reported that within the diving community everyone knew on Monday morning that the loud bang + the loss of comms + the loss of tracking could mean only one thing: the sub was gone. Why the US government pushed a false narrative for 4 whole days is another issue. Maybe they honestly believed they could still rescue the 5 people aboard, even if the chances of survival were less than 1%. Or maybe they were just tickled pink no one was talking about Hunter Biden.

If I were the lawyer in charge of the father's estate, I'd lie during the reading of the will & tell this heartless piece of sh*t that he was disinherited, just to watch him drop a 40-pound cow in his shorts. Then a week or so later, I'd send him a text, "just kidding, LOL!" Yeah, OK, I'd probably get in deep sh*t for a stunt like that, but it would he so damn tempting.

People who seethe with hatred are almost always blind to their own hatred. Just as some (the number is far lower than the Cult of Victimhood wants us to believe) Christians hate gays yet deny to their very marrow their hatred, you hate the US, Christians, and Christianity yet are deep in denial about your hatred. I'm not mistaking anything, rather, drawing my conclusion based on dozens and dozens of posts you've written over the years. There are many forum members whose politics are very if not extremely different from mine, yet I don't accuse them of anti-American or anti-Christian hatred because as much as we disagree, I simply don't see that hatred in them. But I do see it in you.

I heard that the teenager on board was terrified. Mind you, he was 19yo (I'm assuming that's legally an adult in Pakistan) and made the decision to go despite his fear. Then again, when dad's a billionaire, it might be reeeeaaaally hard to say no.

I think you're making a somewhat false equivalency. Of the 50 Muslim-majority countries, only 2 have Pride celebrations: Albania and Kosovo. Of the ~150 Christian-majority countries, almost all have Pride celebrations, except Uganda and a very few others. You lump the 2 together in the same "homophobic theocracy" basket only because you hate Christians and Christianity.

The CEO of the company that built the Titan is 1 of the 5 dead. He obviously believed in his product even though he admitted to cutting lots of corners and breaking all sorts of rules in the development of the vessel. I think of it more a case of an oversized ego desperate to believe his own hype. But you're right, it's still false marketing, even if the seller actually believes his own bullsh*t.

I wish you cited some examples of race-switch casting that worked so I could know what you're talking about. Two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, it's sad that so many p.o.c. roles were played by white actors in the past, but race-switch casting today doesn't undo that wrong. Sorry, I don't want to see a 3'11" dwarf playing Wilt Chamberlain. I think actors should be reasonably similar to the characters they play. Then again, maybe this is just my particular pet peeve. I go nuts when I see actors who are obviously many years older than the characters they play, but others seem able to overlook that discrepancy quite easily.

Not everyone is a fan of Audra McDonald. Yes, she's talented but also too actressy. Every performance is like "watch me aaaaaaaaaact!" Hey, just my opinion. My problem with race-switch casting is it's always just in one direction. If a black actor plays an Austrian abbess or a Russian Jew (a local production of Fiddler on the Roof) and you find it distracting or not credible, the wokety-wokes will scold and shame you. But if you ever cast a white actor in a person of color role, the same wokety-wokes will unleash hell. I once met a Mormon who spoke perfect Tagalog (did his mission in the Philippines). He was cute and I give him mad props for his Tagalog, but do I ever want to see him playing a young Ferdinand Marcos? Uh no, way too distracting. Enough with the race-switch casting. Find another way to signal your virtue.