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I have been watching some ftm porn recently and I got excited about them. Especially the ones with muscular body but still have a pu$$y. I wanna try them but I don't know where to find them. Especially in Europe, I frequently go to Barcelona, London and Berlin, so if there are some websites I can search for them, let me know

to me yes, I am quite used to paying 100 -150 euros in most european cities. London was quite new to me but maybe the oil money is spoiling them. If you are willing to pay 300gbp for one hour, why not take a weekend trip to Barcelona and have some amazing food and weather on top of hiring a few guys who are hotter than him and willing to do a lot. that is just my take.

Maybe it is a matter of taste, but I find his face below average. Maybe that is why he hides his face.... I am usually into nice body and care less about face but his face is far below the average escort range....Even if I am not paying, I am not sure if I would be able to kiss him passionately lol

I mean the sex is the same. Some escorts provide much better service when they are slightly into you. But the reason I am asking this question is because massage charges are not much lower than escort rates. Of course I enjoy a good massage but I can get that cheaper if I go to professional places. But if I hire someone from online massage service with good looking guy, I want more than massage. But that's not guaranteed and no reason to believe that these random guys can do a good massage comparable to professional places. So I wouldn't be very happy if I don't get anything special for paying a substantially higher rate than the normal massage places.

Thanks everyone. It seems a lot of variations there and many seem to agree that escorts can be sloppy by hiding behind the massage ad...Make logical sense too...

He has an annoying way of communicating, like if I ask two things at a time, he would respond only to one. I hate those guys. Plus he wouldn't tell his rate immediately, (which I asked immediately to save time for everyone) but he asks for whatsapp number etc. In the end I think quoted me 300 and I couldn't stop laughing but hey good for him, someone must be entertaining him with a high rate. But I wish he just didn't waste a lot of time by just answering questions promptly.

Thanks everyone. It seems a lot of variation there so better to avoid the future disappoints. I would be cautious with hiring them as I always was lol but I will follow this and send a similar message first...

I am confused about these massage ads on escort sites. They charge slightly lower than sex but much higher than the professional massage you would get. So my guess is that it cannot be just sex because it's cheaper. So what is special about the massage service offered by these hot men? Is it more expensive just because a sexy guy is doing it? Or is there more to it, like hj at the end etc? Is it usually done naked? What kinda value do these massage providers bring to the table? I feel like it's either better to hire an escort for sex or an amazing massage for less...

I think most things are mentioned above already. Just want to add one bit. The general dating market as of right now is tilted toward white guys so the providers also have to deal with its consequences. Many non white clients might hire white providers to simply get what they don't get in the usual dating market. Same for the fetish, just like some of the providers detailed the clients fetish above, many guys are not into those fetish or freak out or sometimes guys just assume the worst and not even mention it. So they go to providers. Successful providers would feed them and turn into cash. Be it race or fetish, it's still difficult for clients to bring it up. But I think race thing is getting better gradually and slowly. At least you see less no black or Asian etc on grindr than before. I am sure many still have strong racial preferences and end up in their shallow box but at least they don't outright offend people anymore. They are unlucky not to see what's out there but I don't care much, as I can enjoy it with less competition. I still see no fem and age restrictions a lot on grindr, which will take forever for these kids to understand the deeper issue. But racial thing is changing due to the discussion on diversity happening in the US and to some extend in Europe. But sadly you as a provider won't see the end of it during your career. So better learn how to deal with it and squeeze money from where it can be.

That is because he is sexualizing gym shower 😂 it is also very cultural. In Germany people just get naked in mixed sauna. I have seen more pussies in sauna than having sex with women😅

I think almost everyone thinks about the value they are getting but the threshold depends on the person. Quite obviously even if you say you don't think about the value, eventually it will show in your subsequent hiring behavior. I think it becomes a bit complicated when the rate is reaching someone's limit because they worry about the disappointments. Some best reviewed escorts can give a normal or mediocre service because they know they can constantly get clients even if some won't be returning or left occasional bad reviews. For them they can afford to do so because their rate is high enough and they have a certain number of regulars. I try to avoid them and rather risk the new guy who is advertising with a low rate. My expectations are low and I like positive surprises but that's just how I am and I know myself so I do what is best for me. Also, it helps me find regulars. When I hire someone with a high rate for my limit, I usually start worry. I always find the first time is a struggle for me because finding the match is also tricky. Easy to find the looks but hard to know someone's personality and service until you actually go into bed haha

So if someone had three clients he would quote a high price and end up not being able to perform? That sounds like such a bad business decision because someone will be paying a lot but will be disappointed, and ended up with a bad review... unless someone can perform countless times within a day... If one doesn't want a new client on a certain day, why don't they just log off and restart fresh next day...

Thanks for many responses about the US law. I live in Europe so it is legal in most countries, but I don't see any rates from most profiles on rent men eu, and hunqz. So I am guessing there is more to this?

I am wondering why most providers do not post their rate on their profiles. For most guys, it seems like the rate is fixed, so why not put it there? I understand for some who travel so much it is easier not to put but others who stay in the same city, it is a lot easier not to ask everyone for their rate....Also, whatsapp requires us to add them into addressbook to text them, so I don't wanna add so many numbers in my phone just to figure out someone's rate...

thanks for the lead. I searched a bit on google and is it a gay sauna? So some people just come here to cruise??? If I understand it correctly, the entrance is 17 plus massage is 50 and you cannot choose the therapist?

wow ok, how do I respond lol Each market has its going average rate and I know the rates in the cities I hire regularly. Escorts know those too and they put their rates using the benchmark and relative to their reservation rate. You are saying i am insincere, that sounds like a personal attack but hiring is not always just the look, so that is why sometimes I contact not so hot guys with stellar reviews. If he is charging the market rate, i don't mind closing the deal on spot but if it is substantially above the market rate, it leaves me in a difficult position when I hire this guy first time because reviews can be really misleading. And as I said, I really try to make a decision quick so that I don't linger it long for both of us. So I am not sure if I would be considered insincere but if that is your judgement, let it be. Anyway, thanks for your better tips. As I said in my post, I don't waste my and their time, so my convo is usually very short. I never book a date when I am not certain, so I don't think I wasted any escorts' time. As much as I value my time, I also think escorts' time is equally valuable, I mean you guys charge by the hour and I certainly know how much you value your time. But again, by the way you are responding, I am not sure if you are in the right industry as of now. Maybe it will change in the future but I don't think it will change just because you asked, on this online form, people to behave in a certain way you want them to.

I know there are many gay massage ads on escort websites but I am looking for a normal massage place where sex is not expected but done by a gay guy in London. Any leads?

straight and young guys tend to be the worst in my opinion lol

on a different note but along with the similar line, I hired two recently and both ended up being a bottom. They advertised as a vers, maybe I should have cut vers guys but they just wanted me to top them and not to ruin the mood, I did top them without showing my displeasure and I did make some effort to make it fun for us. I am a vers but when I hire, i am a bottom because I can be the top without paying. And we had amazing time, at least for them, one was really professional and didn't show much after our fun or maybe he was so good at faking during, who knows. The other was just asking me so many private questions and telling me repeatedly that we should meet again. I politely said sure but I was thinking, I should be the one who is charging lol I also had a guy (who was not a regular in this industry) and I was his first client. After the first meeting, we became FBs for a few months until I left the city. We had such a fun time and I was happy to help his business instead of paying him (not that he asked me to but as I learned more about him, what he does etc and I saw I could actually be helpful in terms of giving an advice etc in his business)

I don't know you well but from the way you wrote it and your way of responding to these guys will only make you feel worse. I am not sure if it works in your field, but if it is bothering you too much, it might be good for you to think about switching your profession. I am not defending those who are flaking and not committing but your business is by nature full of them. Many bored people could just play with you and waste your time and you have no way of knowing. So you just have to learn how to let things go instead of responding with nasty words. Better to accept the nature of it and try to find a way not to let these get into your nerves. For some, I think I might come off as a fake but I also realize that my first meeting is always challenging because I don't like to reveal too much information about myself (including my whatsapp number). I carefully check the profiles if the pictures attract me. Then I have a good idea of how much I am willing to pay. So I ask their rate, if their rate is more than what I am willing to pay for this person, I move on. Here, I think some escorts think I am a fake. I don't wanna waste their time and I don't wanna waste my time either, so I move on. Some want to negotiate but I never do that because it usually reduces the experience significantly. The escorts have some reservation price and I don't wanna cut that out of the respect for them, even when I have a different evaluation of them. Sometimes I wanna say things you have said to those flakes because I completely disagree with their own evaluation but who am I to judge? I just don't let this get into my nerves and hope the market will sort it out. When we negotiate, they usually put me in the "cheapskate" category as you say and they start looking down on me so the experience is usually not so good. The most difficult part, where in rare occasions I become noncommittal, is when the escort is not so hot (that I would jump on the date immediately) and the rate is above the market rate and the reviews are amazing. I kinda wanna try him but I don't really want to because he is not hot etc. That is what is going on in my mind. But this is quite rare and I try to be nice to them and make a decision quicker and move on. In general, I would say many gays are noncommittal online (and sometimes offline too) so I find it hard to find a decent sex date without paying. So that is partially why I hire.